• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:52
CET 00:52
KST 08:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada3SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time? Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1290 users

[IEM] Guangzhou - Day 4 - Final Day - Page 272

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 270 271 272 273 Next
Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
October 05 2011 01:46 GMT
#5421
On October 05 2011 10:26 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 09:59 Tula wrote:
On October 05 2011 09:10 JoeSchmoe wrote:
On October 05 2011 06:36 Adebisi wrote:
On October 05 2011 06:34 Executor1 wrote:
Good tournament overall, it didnt even look like puma was trying very hard against idra though. That or he was just making lots of silly mistakes , wich is uncharacteristic of him. We dont ever really get to See much of his TVZ though, it could be the reason he never did well in korea though besides that one time in the team leagues. I wouldnt be surprised. If he had to go against revival instead of JYP he may not have even made it out of the quarters (and idra probably wouldnt have either if he had to face JYP)

Either way some very uncharacteristic mistakes from Puma, made me think he wasnt trying that hard or something, at least thats how it felt when i was watching it. Idra played well though.

He just played a passive style, the only game where he was clearly making mistakes was game 3 when he kept leaving his depo down IMO.

I don't really like the 1 rax cc into 2 fact BF hellion build though.


no ghosts in game 2 was a huge mistake.


from what eco? ghosts don't grow on trees ya know...

Yes i agree that you should counter broods with ghosts, but you need a few of them for that to work (meaning you need at least 1 per brood, usually you need 2 per, meaning you either start when you scout his greater spire morphing or you have the eco to build 5 ghosts at the same time).


This man is correct ^^. Puma simply didn't have the economy, there was something like a 10 minute stretch where puma was only on <30 scvs and only 1 real mining base



I just watched the rep and he actually sat on 19 SCVs for almost the last 15 minutes of the game
kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 02:03:15
October 05 2011 02:03 GMT
#5422
I was extremely surprised Puma didn't go for IdrA's demise build, which is mass hellion on early game. In all 3 games he went for a flat 4 hellions to gain that early map control. But nothing more. Puma was deadly with his drop play, but imagine if those drops had hellions...

Still, amazing series and a well deserved win for IdrA.
Wisemen speak when they have something to say. Others speak when they have to say something.
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
October 05 2011 03:25 GMT
#5423
On October 04 2011 13:56 IdrA wrote:
lets see it slasher


LETS SEE IT.
SgtDK
Profile Joined December 2009
United States54 Posts
October 05 2011 03:38 GMT
#5424
Idra is a fucking pro. Not many people thought he could beat puma. He rocked our sc2 world.
cold-
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada209 Posts
October 05 2011 03:50 GMT
#5425
On October 05 2011 12:38 SgtDK wrote:
Idra is a fucking pro. Not many people thought he could beat puma. He rocked our sc2 world.


i knew he would
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5449 Posts
October 05 2011 03:58 GMT
#5426
Good job, Idra. You deserve it.
ObserverSix2One
Profile Joined February 2011
Israel115 Posts
October 05 2011 04:03 GMT
#5427
where can I watch the games if I missed the stream?
I'm not a Vampire.
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
October 05 2011 04:09 GMT
#5428
On October 05 2011 13:03 ObserverSix2One wrote:
where can I watch the games if I missed the stream?


The vods will be posted in a couple days.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
October 05 2011 04:13 GMT
#5429
I must say I do like it when Idra decides he's good. Should do that more often. Useful skill toi have.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
DanielxD
Profile Joined August 2011
Peru52 Posts
October 05 2011 05:36 GMT
#5430
Yes Idra!, good joob :D
Toyosatomimi no Miko <3!!
Vagnarok
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11 Posts
October 05 2011 05:41 GMT
#5431
Congratulations IdrA!!!

Also, I haven't seen either the idra vs puma or the finals matches yet, and I've searched on ESL for over 40 minutes. Good lord why are these VODs so hard to find?
Would anyone mind linking the vods for me and a few other people who have been asking please?
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
October 05 2011 05:45 GMT
#5432
Vods of the semifinals and finals don't exist yet. They'll exist when the IEM crew gets back to Europe.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 05 2011 05:59 GMT
#5433
Congrats Idra but you need to improve late game macro. Watched the Tal'darime game vs. Puma and you inject larvae like once every 5 minutes.
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
October 05 2011 06:06 GMT
#5434
On October 05 2011 14:59 usethis2 wrote:
Congrats Idra but you need to improve late game macro. Watched the Tal'darime game vs. Puma and you inject larvae like once every 5 minutes.

You usually don't need spot on injects in the late game. Since you can't spend all the larva anyway.
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
Vagnarok
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11 Posts
October 05 2011 06:25 GMT
#5435
On October 05 2011 14:45 seiferoth10 wrote:
Vods of the semifinals and finals don't exist yet. They'll exist when the IEM crew gets back to Europe.

Thank you! I was so sad...
vincom2
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1775 Posts
October 05 2011 09:08 GMT
#5436
Whoa, I forgot all about this competition (missed all 4 days ). Pretty amazed to see idra won, but congrats idra! :D
FLuE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1012 Posts
October 05 2011 11:31 GMT
#5437
On October 05 2011 14:59 usethis2 wrote:
Congrats Idra but you need to improve late game macro. Watched the Tal'darime game vs. Puma and you inject larvae like once every 5 minutes.


I watched the replay. He didn't need larva late in the game, he had enough hatches, he wouldn't have had the money to support that many larva w/ constant injects and he was using the queens to heal his broods when needed and drop tumors both of which where more important to the game than having extra larva.

Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 11:43:48
October 05 2011 11:42 GMT
#5438
On October 05 2011 20:31 FLuE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 14:59 usethis2 wrote:
Congrats Idra but you need to improve late game macro. Watched the Tal'darime game vs. Puma and you inject larvae like once every 5 minutes.


I watched the replay. He didn't need larva late in the game, he had enough hatches, he wouldn't have had the money to support that many larva w/ constant injects and he was using the queens to heal his broods when needed and drop tumors both of which where more important to the game than having extra larva.



He did need the larva.

There were countless times where he was not maxed, floating 1.5 to 2k minerals, starved on gas, and only producing broodlord/corruptor/infestor, and puma's army was seriously gimped and he was barely holding onto expansions by the skin of his teeth.

He had the money to pop out 60 lings which absolutely will kill a PF that is not defended by an army (watch the replay and look at puma's 6 o'clock and 3 o'clock expansions and how vulnerable they were).

idra only ever makes 3 queens, and in this game he brought them with his army for a broodlord doom push, but ended up sending them back home. I really think that adding more queens and macro hatches in his late game to give him the capability of producing a wave of 120 lings after a big battle would help a lot in games like this.
At the end, he wins the game when he finally starts up ling production again and is able to poke at puma's expanions with lings.

I don't mean to take anything away from idra's victory, but I felt like it would have come a lot faster if he was just like "ok I make lings now you die"
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 05 2011 15:47 GMT
#5439
Exactly, Oboeman. It's when those lings pop Idra did took back the map control. Before that he totally forgot about injects thanks to Puma's awesome harass, and he basically lived off of naturally spawning larvae from hatcheries.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
October 05 2011 15:50 GMT
#5440
Does the winner of IEM really get a Code A spot?
Prev 1 270 271 272 273 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
PiGosaur Cup #55
CranKy Ducklings120
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 124
ProTech122
JuggernautJason118
CosmosSc2 26
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4350
Shuttle 757
Artosis 574
Counter-Strike
Foxcn211
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox941
AZ_Axe109
PPMD24
Other Games
summit1g7706
Grubby2589
shahzam505
Skadoodle190
Maynarde121
ViBE116
C9.Mang074
fpsfer 3
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 69
• Adnapsc2 13
• davetesta12
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 26
• Azhi_Dahaki12
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2924
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2639
Other Games
• Scarra473
• WagamamaTV379
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
9h 8m
OSC
11h 38m
Kung Fu Cup
12h 8m
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
23h 8m
The PondCast
1d 10h
RSL Revival
1d 10h
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
1d 12h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 12h
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
IPSL
3 days
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
3 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
BSL 21
4 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
4 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.