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latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
October 04 2011 19:09 GMT
#5301
On October 05 2011 04:06 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


Thats a really dumb comment to make. Who plays for a $6500 prize , makes it all the way to the end and then decides not to try. This is not the same as splitting the prize either as the loser of their match fights for 3rd place, which has a much much lower prize. Sometimes people say the weirdest things.


Well im commenting on his quality of play which i feel was inferior, and im using that phrase to paint a picture, i could've opened with "was puma playing in his sleep?" or "was one of his hands amputated?" do you think that would mean that i think his hand was actually amputated? sigh... internet smartasses ftw
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 19:12:17
October 04 2011 19:10 GMT
#5302
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
October 04 2011 19:13 GMT
#5303
On October 05 2011 03:58 Elite__ wrote:
who won the sick nerd baller award?

Hasuobs did.
What a player
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
October 04 2011 19:13 GMT
#5304
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Idra deserves credit for these wins for sure. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.


I dunno, i saw it from the replay, maybe it's because of the lack of casters but i don't see how game 2 was any good either. maybe i just think muta play is boring.


On October 05 2011 04:04 Jinsho wrote:
IdrA metagamed him. Puma was expecting Broodlords after that ultra fast Spire and mass mutas so he passively expanded and stocked up on Ghosts. When the Ultras came he'd already lost.


Stop passive-aggressively hating on IdrA for stupid reasons, he played very well this game. So did Puma. He didn't scout the Ultra den, that was his only mistake.


doesn't idra kind of always go mass muta vs terran?
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
October 04 2011 19:14 GMT
#5305
On October 05 2011 04:13 BansheeDK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 03:58 Elite__ wrote:
who won the sick nerd baller award?

Hasuobs did.


Hasuorbs*
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
October 04 2011 19:15 GMT
#5306
On October 05 2011 04:13 latan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Idra deserves credit for these wins for sure. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.


I dunno, i saw it from the replay, maybe it's because of the lack of casters but i don't see how game 2 was any good either. maybe i just think muta play is boring.


Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:04 Jinsho wrote:
IdrA metagamed him. Puma was expecting Broodlords after that ultra fast Spire and mass mutas so he passively expanded and stocked up on Ghosts. When the Ultras came he'd already lost.


Stop passive-aggressively hating on IdrA for stupid reasons, he played very well this game. So did Puma. He didn't scout the Ultra den, that was his only mistake.


doesn't idra kind of always go mass muta vs terran?


Well it's being broadcast right now if you want to take another look with commentary. http://tv.esl.eu/de/
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
October 04 2011 19:17 GMT
#5307
On October 05 2011 04:15 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:13 latan wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Idra deserves credit for these wins for sure. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.


I dunno, i saw it from the replay, maybe it's because of the lack of casters but i don't see how game 2 was any good either. maybe i just think muta play is boring.


On October 05 2011 04:04 Jinsho wrote:
IdrA metagamed him. Puma was expecting Broodlords after that ultra fast Spire and mass mutas so he passively expanded and stocked up on Ghosts. When the Ultras came he'd already lost.


Stop passive-aggressively hating on IdrA for stupid reasons, he played very well this game. So did Puma. He didn't scout the Ultra den, that was his only mistake.


doesn't idra kind of always go mass muta vs terran?


Well it's being broadcast right now if you want to take another look with commentary. http://tv.esl.eu/de/


thx
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 04 2011 19:19 GMT
#5308
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.

IdrA burrowed banelings and baited the marines with mutas to run up ^^
:)
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
October 04 2011 19:20 GMT
#5309
On October 05 2011 04:13 latan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Idra deserves credit for these wins for sure. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.


I dunno, i saw it from the replay, maybe it's because of the lack of casters but i don't see how game 2 was any good either. maybe i just think muta play is boring.


Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:04 Jinsho wrote:
IdrA metagamed him. Puma was expecting Broodlords after that ultra fast Spire and mass mutas so he passively expanded and stocked up on Ghosts. When the Ultras came he'd already lost.


Stop passive-aggressively hating on IdrA for stupid reasons, he played very well this game. So did Puma. He didn't scout the Ultra den, that was his only mistake.


doesn't idra kind of always go mass muta vs terran?


oh yes the casters would help you they would actually give you some insight on the good games that where played and not have you come post if puma gave idra the wins.

about muta yes idra does go them nerly all the time zvt but so does pretty much all the other good zergs
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
October 04 2011 19:21 GMT
#5310
On October 05 2011 04:19 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.

IdrA burrowed banelings and baited the marines with mutas to run up ^^


what game u talking about?? cuzz there was no burrow banes
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
October 04 2011 19:24 GMT
#5311
On October 05 2011 04:21 Whiteman103 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:19 synapse wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.

IdrA burrowed banelings and baited the marines with mutas to run up ^^


what game u talking about?? cuzz there was no burrow banes


The game on Shak, he burrowed 2 banes that basicly killed all marines and allowed him to win the game.
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Skamtet
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada634 Posts
October 04 2011 19:25 GMT
#5312
On October 05 2011 04:14 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:13 BansheeDK wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:58 Elite__ wrote:
who won the sick nerd baller award?

Hasuobs did.


Hasuorbs*
What the fuck?
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 19:28:22
October 04 2011 19:26 GMT
#5313
On October 05 2011 04:24 Moralez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:21 Whiteman103 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:19 synapse wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.

IdrA burrowed banelings and baited the marines with mutas to run up ^^


what game u talking about?? cuzz there was no burrow banes


The game on Shak, he burrowed 2 banes that basicly killed all marines and allowed him to win the game.


no he did not i went to check the replay as so as it went up that not what happen

This is what happen in Game 3 with the banes puma was unlucky.
Oh this image is from pumas cam
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latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
October 04 2011 19:26 GMT
#5314
On October 05 2011 04:20 Whiteman103 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:13 latan wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Idra deserves credit for these wins for sure. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.


I dunno, i saw it from the replay, maybe it's because of the lack of casters but i don't see how game 2 was any good either. maybe i just think muta play is boring.


On October 05 2011 04:04 Jinsho wrote:
IdrA metagamed him. Puma was expecting Broodlords after that ultra fast Spire and mass mutas so he passively expanded and stocked up on Ghosts. When the Ultras came he'd already lost.


Stop passive-aggressively hating on IdrA for stupid reasons, he played very well this game. So did Puma. He didn't scout the Ultra den, that was his only mistake.


doesn't idra kind of always go mass muta vs terran?


oh yes the casters would help you they would actually give you some insight on the good games that where played and not have you come post if puma gave idra the wins.


or maybe they can distract you from seeing other stuff. it could go both ways.


about muta yes idra does go them nerly all the time zvt but so does pretty much all the other good zergs


so then you agree that it doesn't seem likely that puma 'got metagamed' like jinsho said.
Whiteman103
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1070 Posts
October 04 2011 19:32 GMT
#5315
On October 05 2011 04:26 latan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:20 Whiteman103 wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:13 latan wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:10 hitpoint wrote:
On October 05 2011 04:00 latan wrote:
was puma even trying? it kinda looks like he wasn't or maybe idra played that good? don't think so either.

I mean game 1 he didn't even make a move, and imo on games 2 and 3 there were moments when he could've done some serious damage but decided to either go chasing mutas or just show his army to idra then retreat and come back just after a full round of units spawned. gotta be quite honest here, those games are kinda bad.


With ghost mech you don't have to make a move. You cut the map in half, get even bases with zerg while defending, and then win. It was brilliant to go ultras and try to overwhelm with multiprogned attacks rather than go broods. Puma tried to drop at least twice and Idra spotted and killed them before they even reached his base. Idra deserves credit for these wins for sure. Puma messed up in game 3 with the wall-in and not seeing the banelings under the muta flock, but calling game 2 bad makes you sound like a blind hater, that game was fucking incredible.


I dunno, i saw it from the replay, maybe it's because of the lack of casters but i don't see how game 2 was any good either. maybe i just think muta play is boring.


On October 05 2011 04:04 Jinsho wrote:
IdrA metagamed him. Puma was expecting Broodlords after that ultra fast Spire and mass mutas so he passively expanded and stocked up on Ghosts. When the Ultras came he'd already lost.


Stop passive-aggressively hating on IdrA for stupid reasons, he played very well this game. So did Puma. He didn't scout the Ultra den, that was his only mistake.


doesn't idra kind of always go mass muta vs terran?


oh yes the casters would help you they would actually give you some insight on the good games that where played and not have you come post if puma gave idra the wins.


or maybe they can distract you from seeing other stuff. it could go both ways.

Show nested quote +

about muta yes idra does go them nerly all the time zvt but so does pretty much all the other good zergs


so then you agree that it doesn't seem likely that puma 'got metagamed' like jinsho said.


yes you can see everything in replays but if you dont know what that means then well that doesnt help. with caster they tell u whats going on and why this bad or good.

maybe he did maybe he didn't we dont know how there pracitce games went when he was at the EG house

I would say no just good muta ultra nydus play
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
October 04 2011 19:32 GMT
#5316
On October 05 2011 04:14 forgottendreams wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 04:13 BansheeDK wrote:
On October 05 2011 03:58 Elite__ wrote:
who won the sick nerd baller award?

Hasuobs did.


Hasuorbs*


I can't tell if you're trolling, are quoting an inside joke, or just making yourself look like an ass.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
mitthrawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany443 Posts
October 04 2011 19:33 GMT
#5317
People saying Puma vs Idra was staged should watch G2 again and watch Idras face impressions during the game.

I thought he would gg several times tbh.
/o\
Serashin
Profile Joined November 2010
235 Posts
October 04 2011 19:34 GMT
#5318
On October 05 2011 04:04 Jinsho wrote:
IdrA metagamed him. Puma was expecting Broodlords after that ultra fast Spire and mass mutas so he passively expanded and stocked up on Ghosts. When the Ultras came he'd already lost.


Stop passive-aggressively hating on IdrA for stupid reasons, he played very well this game. So did Puma. He didn't scout the Ultra den, that was his only mistake.


How can you call that being metagamed ?

It was just display of not very good defensive play by Puma , in fact you dont need even to see the Ultralisk cavern to prevent such a situation , i mean he got already lots of ghosts ... why not simply make a wall from Natural to Gold and this little gap walling to totaly nullifies any A move 2 sec in vision cant react omg stuff
There are to many targets , and i smile everytime they try to defend and thinking they are smart.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
October 04 2011 19:36 GMT
#5319
That game 2 was soooo good.
But I wonder why Puma was so sloooow to take expansions.
BoeG
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden72 Posts
October 04 2011 19:36 GMT
#5320
Here I'm coming home from 13 hours in school just to find out IdrA destroyed Puma and won the whole thing! SickSICK!! IdrA<<33
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