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On November 04 2011 21:19 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 21:12 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 21:05 Pandemona wrote:On November 04 2011 21:00 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:On November 04 2011 20:52 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!
HuK > Elfi on every level.
Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.
Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.
Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.
Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo Next time at work, I will state "I am tired" in the morning, then whenever I make a mistake I can just blame that. Sure he was tired, but if you are SO much better, then you win anyway. Your statement was pretty much the essence of someone being butthurt... Bring a work quote into a proffesional sport anaylsis is pretty lame. If your tired in any sport you cannot perform to your best level fact (i guess even at work) but if your tired for no reason of your own (being jet lagged is hard to help when you have a tough schedule) is going to effect your game play on multiple levels, micro macro and mechanics will all be effected. You saw after game 2 he was begining to falter pretty badly. BUT like everyone seems to be saying Elfi > HuK even though one is clearly better at the game than the other :S Makes no sense, no 1 is arguing he won, but he won vs a player who was tired and on paper 100x better than him, why are people jumping on the friggin band waggen saying Elfi is a fkn PvP god, i bet theres fkn Masters players on EU with better win rate than Elfi -_- and Elfi is 60% win rate PvP on the EU ladder how is that even a good argument lol? And how about that "HuK is 100x better than Elfi bandwagon, sitting comfortably? What I am saying is that in EVERY game where a better player loses to a worse one, there's always some excuse. It's cheese, bad preparation etc, NEVER that the other player actually played well and that's what I have a problem with. Imagine a world where the favorite would always win... Thats how proffesional sport works!!! Barcelona lose to any team in football its because "Barcelona played bad" When a top player loses to a weaker one in a one off game its due to the top player playing alot worst than he does. Its how it all works. If Elfi and HuK ever play again and Elfi wins again, then you have an argument for saying Elfi is a PvP baller and is better than HuK at PvP, but people saying he is better than HuK in PvP or in General is a completly false statement. They always say winning the League in football is better than winning a knock out competition, as anyone can win a one off game due to multiple UNCONTROLLABLE factors (ie jet lag for todays case) but for those who can win in the long run from multiple games in a league based format (NASL format would be closet we have to this) have a greater reward of saying "Were the best over x amount of games vs everyone and anyone" The way professional sports work is the team that wins the league is considered the best team in the league, the team that wins the competition is the best team in the competition. Barca would never lose to some random team of hobos picked up from the dark alleys of Barcelona, bad preparation, jetlag, whatever or not, which is what you make it sound like. No but barcelona have lost to teams like Inter Milan when they were under Mourinho and they played 10x better but still lost. They have drawn to numerous teams like FC Basel and BATE in the champions league before, but they still win the champions league, and in there own league they draw to teams like Osasuna and Levante yet they still win the league and are dubbed the best team, why they draw these games no one knows, why do they lose to teams they out pass and out play no one knows. I think we should stop this debate now and focus on the current games ^_^
Yeah, got a bit carried away. I cringed as Dimaga let his mutas fight marines and banes vs tanks. Hopefully he picks his game up now
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I wish casters (CynicalBrit, MrBitter, etc.) weren't prone to yelling louder and louder as the action increases... It's not sports RADIO, I can see what's happening - I don't need it constantly yelled in my ear at ridiculous volumes. Maybe everyone else likes it, though.
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SeleCT just completely outplayed Dimaga that game. Hoping to see some better play from Dimaga this one.
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On November 04 2011 21:20 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 21:19 ViperPL wrote:
Great... marine retardness prevailing again. Retardness? Dimaga didn't make enough Banelings and he suicided half of them into tank fire when no rines were there...
50 food behind was the bigger factor here
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On November 04 2011 21:22 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 21:19 Pandemona wrote:On November 04 2011 21:12 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 21:05 Pandemona wrote:On November 04 2011 21:00 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:On November 04 2011 20:52 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!
HuK > Elfi on every level.
Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.
Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.
Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.
Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo Next time at work, I will state "I am tired" in the morning, then whenever I make a mistake I can just blame that. Sure he was tired, but if you are SO much better, then you win anyway. Your statement was pretty much the essence of someone being butthurt... Bring a work quote into a proffesional sport anaylsis is pretty lame. If your tired in any sport you cannot perform to your best level fact (i guess even at work) but if your tired for no reason of your own (being jet lagged is hard to help when you have a tough schedule) is going to effect your game play on multiple levels, micro macro and mechanics will all be effected. You saw after game 2 he was begining to falter pretty badly. BUT like everyone seems to be saying Elfi > HuK even though one is clearly better at the game than the other :S Makes no sense, no 1 is arguing he won, but he won vs a player who was tired and on paper 100x better than him, why are people jumping on the friggin band waggen saying Elfi is a fkn PvP god, i bet theres fkn Masters players on EU with better win rate than Elfi -_- and Elfi is 60% win rate PvP on the EU ladder how is that even a good argument lol? And how about that "HuK is 100x better than Elfi bandwagon, sitting comfortably? What I am saying is that in EVERY game where a better player loses to a worse one, there's always some excuse. It's cheese, bad preparation etc, NEVER that the other player actually played well and that's what I have a problem with. Imagine a world where the favorite would always win... Thats how proffesional sport works!!! Barcelona lose to any team in football its because "Barcelona played bad" When a top player loses to a weaker one in a one off game its due to the top player playing alot worst than he does. Its how it all works. If Elfi and HuK ever play again and Elfi wins again, then you have an argument for saying Elfi is a PvP baller and is better than HuK at PvP, but people saying he is better than HuK in PvP or in General is a completly false statement. They always say winning the League in football is better than winning a knock out competition, as anyone can win a one off game due to multiple UNCONTROLLABLE factors (ie jet lag for todays case) but for those who can win in the long run from multiple games in a league based format (NASL format would be closet we have to this) have a greater reward of saying "Were the best over x amount of games vs everyone and anyone" The way professional sports work is the team that wins the league is considered the best team in the league, the team that wins the competition is the best team in the competition. Barca would never lose to some random team of hobos picked up from the dark alleys of Barcelona, bad preparation, jetlag, whatever or not, which is what you make it sound like. No but barcelona have lost to teams like Inter Milan when they were under Mourinho and they played 10x better but still lost. They have drawn to numerous teams like FC Basel and BATE in the champions league before, but they still win the champions league, and in there own league they draw to teams like Osasuna and Levante yet they still win the league and are dubbed the best team, why they draw these games no one knows, why do they lose to teams they out pass and out play no one knows. I think we should stop this debate now and focus on the current games ^_^ Yeah, got a bit carried away. I cringed as Dimaga let his mutas fight marines and banes vs tanks. Hopefully he picks his game up now
Yes!! Totally lol, im sure next game will be better controlled now he warmed up xD
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On November 04 2011 21:22 sparklyresidue wrote:
I wish casters (CynicalBrit, MrBitter, etc.) weren't prone to yelling louder and louder as the action increases... It's not sports RADIO, I can see what's happening - I don't need it constantly yelled in my ear at ridiculous volumes. Maybe everyone else likes it, though.
Wtf? You know they do this on TV too? Unless you only watch golf I guess.
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On November 04 2011 21:19 Logros wrote:
I wonder if we're ever gonna see baneling splits. Seeing like 5-10 go down in a single tank shot is just painful.
Eventually.
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Russian Federation676 Posts
the casters are such a please to listen to, they dont talk bullshit and understand the ins and outs of the game. nice event 
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On November 04 2011 21:22 sparklyresidue wrote:
I wish casters (CynicalBrit, MrBitter, etc.) weren't prone to yelling louder and louder as the action increases... It's not sports RADIO, I can see what's happening - I don't need it constantly yelled in my ear at ridiculous volumes. Maybe everyone else likes it, though.
Turn the volume down. I don't really have a problem with it, so I figure turning the volume down would work for you also.
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On November 04 2011 21:12 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 21:08 mazqo wrote:On November 04 2011 21:07 hasuterrans wrote:
I just tuned in to discover Elfi 4 gating Top 3 Control to a Bo5 victory apparently. Bring on the lulz. I bet Huk fans are raging. Yes, apparently its not allowed to take freewins from greedy/bad builds. So you didn't tell us btw. You don't make sentries, as you told us. So how do you defend 4gate? You 3 stalker every game? Just asking, sentries are apparently useless, according to you. And Blizzard totally didn't patch the game so that they are useful to defend 4gate. And we've totally never seen a game with 4gate defended by forcefields.
I did tell you. I personally make 1 zealot and 2 stalkers and sentry from 1 gate before my warpgate is ready. And i go hunt for opponents zealot stalker(1) probe which means i have one more stalker so he cannot come near my ramp before he has his second stalker. By then i have sentry ready and warp gate is almost ready. Then i can forcefield ramp and warpin another sentry.
What i meant with "you cannot just build sentry" is that you cannot sit inside your base and build sentries and forcefield ramp. Because you need zealot and stalkers to defend his zealot and stalkers before you have warpgate ready.
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On November 04 2011 21:22 sparklyresidue wrote:
I wish casters (CynicalBrit, MrBitter, etc.) weren't prone to yelling louder and louder as the action increases... It's not sports RADIO, I can see what's happening - I don't need it constantly yelled in my ear at ridiculous volumes. Maybe everyone else likes it, though.
TB references sports casting frequently in terms of his style...when you consider what SC2 fans are used to it's off-putting, when non-SC2 fans see that kind of excitement and hype they get drawn in when otherwise they would have kept walking. The tried and true method is play-by-play/analyst for big tournaments, and this is a perfect example. This is ESPORTS, after all.
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I can't believe people are still talking about Huk vs Elfi. Elfi is on a individual level better than Huk. It has been shown multiple times in their encounters.
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On November 04 2011 21:15 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 21:07 Nouar wrote:On November 04 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:On November 04 2011 20:52 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!
HuK > Elfi on every level.
Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.
Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.
Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.
Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo Next time at work, I will state "I am tired" in the morning, then whenever I make a mistake I can just blame that. Sure he was tired, but if you are SO much better, then you win anyway. Your statement was pretty much the essence of someone being butthurt... Bring a work quote into a proffesional sport anaylsis is pretty lame. If your tired in any sport you cannot perform to your best level fact (i guess even at work) but if your tired for no reason of your own (being jet lagged is hard to help when you have a tough schedule) is going to effect your game play on multiple levels, micro macro and mechanics will all be effected. You saw after game 2 he was begining to falter pretty badly. BUT like everyone seems to be saying Elfi > HuK even though one is clearly better at the game than the other :S Makes no sense, no 1 is arguing he won, but he won vs a player who was tired and on paper 100x better than him, why are people jumping on the friggin band waggen saying Elfi is a fkn PvP god, i bet theres fkn Masters players on EU with better win rate than Elfi -_- and Elfi is 60% win rate PvP on the EU ladder how is that even a good argument lol? Tired or NOT, elfi is nearly 75% PvP on TLPD, and his last loss in boX against toss was in JUNE against white-ra. He IS good. Then again, HuK is good too, no one is denying that. It's a fact Elfi is veeeery good in PvP, him winning is neither an UPSET nor a GIVEN. Stop arguing, both are good players, if you underperform because you're too tired, maybe cut a bit into your tournament schedule. It's his fault, no one else's. READ my post!! I said he has his amazing win rate vs protos...BUT its vs awful EU protos, where the best EU protos is supposidly Mana now Naniwa has gone to Korea. Mana is constantly called awful by Idra saying he is over rated and turtles up and all ins u ex cruncher style. The only notable games he has won since his loss in PvP to White ra is a 2-1 victory over Mana. in IEM, and mana if you look on his TLPD is his 2nd worst match up with a 56% win rate. So this back ups my point Elfi has an amazing PvP record vs mediocre EU protos players....well done. He has now beaten HuK 3-1 in BO5 PvP, and everyone is saying he is a PvP god because of it. And that loss to white ra in PvP is not good to brag about as White Ra has a 45% win rate in PvP his worst match up BY FAR and he still beat Elfi 2-0 in it? lol
How are ToD, Hasuobs, Nightend, Mana, or even adelscott horrible protosses ? 0o
Winrates are not everything, I read your post, you just don't understand what I'm saying. They ARE BOTH good protosses, don't just underrate elfi, especially in PvP ! you don't beat NaDa, Fruitdealer, Stephano or go even with IdrA who you seem to take everything he says for truth on a whim. He is playing well, and NOT an underdog (nor a favorite) against most top players. The kind of player who you WILL lose to if you are not in top shape. HuK lost, that's the end of it.
He might not have met and beat half of the players HuK had, but the point is he hasn't MET them. He's actually 4-1 against koreans lol. Not saying he would win, just saying we DON'T KNOW.
HuK was tired and lost ? Whatever. I'm not saying anyone is a god at pvp, just stop trying to counter guys who you think tell shit by telling the opposite shit. BE FAIR. that's all.
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On November 04 2011 21:26 Klunssila wrote:
I can't believe people are still talking about Huk vs Elfi. Elfi is on a individual level better than Huk. It has been shown multiple times in their encounters.
And i can't believe you are still stirring this same shitfest. Just shut up already.
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On November 04 2011 21:15 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 21:07 Nouar wrote:On November 04 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:On November 04 2011 20:52 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!
HuK > Elfi on every level.
Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.
Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.
Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.
Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo Next time at work, I will state "I am tired" in the morning, then whenever I make a mistake I can just blame that. Sure he was tired, but if you are SO much better, then you win anyway. Your statement was pretty much the essence of someone being butthurt... Bring a work quote into a proffesional sport anaylsis is pretty lame. If your tired in any sport you cannot perform to your best level fact (i guess even at work) but if your tired for no reason of your own (being jet lagged is hard to help when you have a tough schedule) is going to effect your game play on multiple levels, micro macro and mechanics will all be effected. You saw after game 2 he was begining to falter pretty badly. BUT like everyone seems to be saying Elfi > HuK even though one is clearly better at the game than the other :S Makes no sense, no 1 is arguing he won, but he won vs a player who was tired and on paper 100x better than him, why are people jumping on the friggin band waggen saying Elfi is a fkn PvP god, i bet theres fkn Masters players on EU with better win rate than Elfi -_- and Elfi is 60% win rate PvP on the EU ladder how is that even a good argument lol? Tired or NOT, elfi is nearly 75% PvP on TLPD, and his last loss in boX against toss was in JUNE against white-ra. He IS good. Then again, HuK is good too, no one is denying that. It's a fact Elfi is veeeery good in PvP, him winning is neither an UPSET nor a GIVEN. Stop arguing, both are good players, if you underperform because you're too tired, maybe cut a bit into your tournament schedule. It's his fault, no one else's. READ my post!! I said he has his amazing win rate vs protos...BUT its vs awful EU protos, where the best EU protos is supposidly Mana now Naniwa has gone to Korea. Mana is constantly called awful by Idra saying he is over rated and turtles up and all ins u ex cruncher style. The only notable games he has won since his loss in PvP to White ra is a 2-1 victory over Mana. in IEM, and mana if you look on his TLPD is his 2nd worst match up with a 56% win rate. So this back ups my point Elfi has an amazing PvP record vs mediocre EU protos players....well done. He has now beaten HuK 3-1 in BO5 PvP, and everyone is saying he is a PvP god because of it. And that loss to white ra in PvP is not good to brag about as White Ra has a 45% win rate in PvP his worst match up BY FAR and he still beat Elfi 2-0 in it? lol
I wish being THIS clueless was perm-bannable. "Awful EU protosses"; Hasuobs got further than IdrA in TSL3. And the "MaNa is constantly called awful by idra" made me laugh. You don't happen to pick up on WHEN idra calls mana awful? It's when mana beats idra. He beat him in mouz vs eg clan war AND in the IPL. He beats idra every time they meet. "Cruncher style turtle all in" like why do u say shit like this? It's just blatant lieing. It's like me saying "idra 6pooled every game in his gaming career". It's just blatant lies that makes u look retarded. Just because mana doesn't like to go the twilight path in pvz, he's a turteler? Going colossus makes u turtle? Watch his stream and then talk about him perhaps? He can't go out with his entire army and be agressive because his army doesn't consist of blink stalkers that can harass and get away. He gets 2-3 warp prism (+ speed) and harasses everywhere. And turtle? he is expanding agressively. He takes his 3rd at 9minutes forcing the Zerg to be agressive. Check MaNa's facebook for a game vs him and lalush and try compare him to cruncher again, dumbass. Also, Elfi>HuK. Proven before, proven again.
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Who made the bracket? why a PvP first round??? can't they just replace Huk/elfi with anyone except ret???????
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Select harassing like a boss
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On November 04 2011 21:23 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 21:22 sparklyresidue wrote:
I wish casters (CynicalBrit, MrBitter, etc.) weren't prone to yelling louder and louder as the action increases... It's not sports RADIO, I can see what's happening - I don't need it constantly yelled in my ear at ridiculous volumes. Maybe everyone else likes it, though. Turn the volume down. I don't really have a problem with it, so I figure turning the volume down would work for you also.
It works, but it's not as though I want to sit in absolute silence watching the match. I do appreciate commentary, just not when it's screamed at me. Because then, when they stop screaming, I have to constantly adjust the volume.
It's not that I dislike excitement, I just don't like how they're almost maxing their mics out and then the next moment speaking normally. THEY need volume control.
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Dimaga's muta control is really poor. This game and the last.
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