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Leave off the casterbashing please. ~Nyovne
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
November 04 2011 12:04 GMT
#501
Is it just me or does it always look like TB has a labret piercing? I know it's not actually a piercing but it's always bugged me
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
RudePlague
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Great Britain113 Posts
November 04 2011 12:04 GMT
#502
elfi is good, and Huk's PvP has never been his best match up (despite how well he did vs MC at MLG).

elfi had a great run in Guanzhou, beating a lot of great players. In qualifying for IEM New York he beat Stephano and Tarson. At Assembly he beat Nada.

All the people calling elfi trash/saying he's bad for cheesing, stop it.

Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
November 04 2011 12:04 GMT
#503
Select has been looking like a complete beast lately so I'm a little worried for Dimaga.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Sailincieri
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland83 Posts
November 04 2011 12:04 GMT
#504
On November 04 2011 20:59 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:49 Vorenius wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:46 KinQuh wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:44 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:42 Tsubbi wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:39 syllogism wrote:
It's hard to take the game seriously as long as sub-100 [old] apm, 0 multitasking players are competitive at this level. For a while it looked like we had reached the point that they weren't, but at least in some matchups that's unfortunately not the case


what i saw was elfi outmicroing and multitasking huk in the early game, huk just played bad today and elfi is really good


Where is an example of that? Huk held a 4 gate with only 1 gate and won the zealot/stalker battle. And huk did some decent probe harrass...

bah I give up, but Elfi is definitely not the better player

Yep he isnt but his PvP is waaayyy better

That's a pretty bold complain after HuK beat oGsMC 4-1 at MLG. I guess Elfi is way waaayyy better than MC then?

Elfi played better than HuK these games. That's all you should make of it. HuK has proven he's one of the best (if not the best) foreign player. Him losing one game doesn't change that.


In PvP, their recent history would suggest so. At ESWC elfi beat mana in the group-stage and mana beat MC in the play-offs.


Mana beat MC and Huk (x2)
I think Elfi and Huk PvP is on the sama level, but Elfi this time play better.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
November 04 2011 12:05 GMT
#505
MC himself sayd at IPL 3 that the excuse "jetlagged/tired" is just an excuse. Fact is Elfi played better then Huk in this series and thats it.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
November 04 2011 12:05 GMT
#506
On November 04 2011 21:00 Xcobidoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:52 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!

HuK > Elfi on every level.

Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.

Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.

Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.

Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo

Next time at work, I will state "I am tired" in the morning, then whenever I make a mistake I can just blame that.
Sure he was tired, but if you are SO much better, then you win anyway. Your statement was pretty much the essence of someone being butthurt...


Bring a work quote into a proffesional sport anaylsis is pretty lame.

If your tired in any sport you cannot perform to your best level fact (i guess even at work) but if your tired for no reason of your own (being jet lagged is hard to help when you have a tough schedule) is going to effect your game play on multiple levels, micro macro and mechanics will all be effected. You saw after game 2 he was begining to falter pretty badly. BUT like everyone seems to be saying Elfi > HuK even though one is clearly better at the game than the other :S Makes no sense, no 1 is arguing he won, but he won vs a player who was tired and on paper 100x better than him, why are people jumping on the friggin band waggen saying Elfi is a fkn PvP god, i bet theres fkn Masters players on EU with better win rate than Elfi -_- and Elfi is 60% win rate PvP on the EU ladder how is that even a good argument lol?

And how about that "HuK is 100x better than Elfi bandwagon, sitting comfortably? What I am saying is that in EVERY game where a better player loses to a worse one, there's always some excuse. It's cheese, bad preparation etc, NEVER that the other player actually played well and that's what I have a problem with. Imagine a world where the favorite would always win...


Thats how proffesional sport works!!!
Barcelona lose to any team in football its because "Barcelona played bad"
When a top player loses to a weaker one in a one off game its due to the top player playing alot worst than he does. Its how it all works. If Elfi and HuK ever play again and Elfi wins again, then you have an argument for saying Elfi is a PvP baller and is better than HuK at PvP, but people saying he is better than HuK in PvP or in General is a completly false statement.

They always say winning the League in football is better than winning a knock out competition, as anyone can win a one off game due to multiple UNCONTROLLABLE factors (ie jet lag for todays case) but for those who can win in the long run from multiple games in a league based format (NASL format would be closet we have to this) have a greater reward of saying "Were the best over x amount of games vs everyone and anyone"



ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
SedativeDev
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia316 Posts
November 04 2011 12:06 GMT
#507
Hmm i'm getting video lag....
TideRoll
Profile Joined September 2011
United States106 Posts
November 04 2011 12:06 GMT
#508
Dimaga with the early GG. DQ him! lol
Liquid`HayprO
Profile Joined March 2003
Iraq1230 Posts
November 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#509
ah this is gonna be so nice. i love dimaga and select!
Team LiquidOur friendship will be the stuff of legend.
Nash
Profile Joined October 2011
151 Posts
November 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#510
This should be a stomp. Select is overrated but not close to as overrated as DIMAGA.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
November 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#511
On November 04 2011 21:07 Liquid`HayprO wrote:
ah this is gonna be so nice. i love dimaga and select!


But who do you think is going to win Mr Haypro??
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
November 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#512
I just tuned in to discover Elfi 4 gating Top 3 Control to a Bo5 victory apparently. Bring on the lulz. I bet Huk fans are raging.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
November 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#513
On November 04 2011 20:56 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:54 LittleAtari wrote:
why is such a short tournament single elimination :<

well at least huk is playing in the show matches.


Because it's best of 5. You don't play double-elim Best of 5 invitationals, that's just silly. BO5s can drag on for ages, plus setup time for players and scheduled breaks, you can't play double-elimination in that format.


You can run loser's bracket concurrently with the winner's bracket with stations off-stage with a different caster or even off-air if you must. If anything, to do so would at least preserve a justifiable second place finish (I repeat, without a pool system to dictate seeding). I respect that there are logistical considerations but it's not an impossibility as you suggest.

Single elimination with no pool play leads to questionable results, especially 2nd and 3rd places.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10721 Posts
November 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#514
On November 04 2011 21:07 Nash wrote:
This should be a stomp. Select is overrated but not close to as overrated as DIMAGA.



Oh common, now you are just fishing for flames ^^
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
November 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#515
On November 04 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 20:52 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!

HuK > Elfi on every level.

Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.

Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.

Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.

Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo

Next time at work, I will state "I am tired" in the morning, then whenever I make a mistake I can just blame that.
Sure he was tired, but if you are SO much better, then you win anyway. Your statement was pretty much the essence of someone being butthurt...


Bring a work quote into a proffesional sport anaylsis is pretty lame.

If your tired in any sport you cannot perform to your best level fact (i guess even at work) but if your tired for no reason of your own (being jet lagged is hard to help when you have a tough schedule) is going to effect your game play on multiple levels, micro macro and mechanics will all be effected. You saw after game 2 he was begining to falter pretty badly. BUT like everyone seems to be saying Elfi > HuK even though one is clearly better at the game than the other :S Makes no sense, no 1 is arguing he won, but he won vs a player who was tired and on paper 100x better than him, why are people jumping on the friggin band waggen saying Elfi is a fkn PvP god, i bet theres fkn Masters players on EU with better win rate than Elfi -_- and Elfi is 60% win rate PvP on the EU ladder how is that even a good argument lol?


Tired or NOT, elfi is nearly 75% PvP on TLPD, and his last loss in boX against toss was in JUNE against white-ra. He IS good. Then again, HuK is good too, no one is denying that.
It's a fact Elfi is veeeery good in PvP, him winning is neither an UPSET nor a GIVEN.

Stop arguing, both are good players, if you underperform because you're too tired, maybe cut a bit into your tournament schedule. It's his fault, no one else's.
NoiR
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 04 2011 12:08 GMT
#516
On November 04 2011 21:05 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 21:00 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:52 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 04 2011 20:48 Pandemona wrote:
LOL!!

HuK > Elfi on every level.

Elfi beat a REALLY SHIT HuK, if you dont see HuK playing REALLY bad then you don't know what HuK is capable of.

Elfi did a straight up build multiple times and HuK played like he was still asleep. If you follow him on twitter and shit, you will see that he said HE IS SO TIRED. He played like he was Tired, im pretty sure that if you think Elfi and his 60-20 something win rate in PvP is better than HuKs ownage of Naniwa/MC/Killer and others in Korea in PvP is still worst than Elfi the "king of PvP" then your all dillusional.

Elfi won, well done he beat a really tired/jet lagged HuK in his home country.

Elfi 60% win rate on EU ladder @ PvP vs HuK PvP legend on KR and in BIG level tournaments....Elfi is way better yo

Next time at work, I will state "I am tired" in the morning, then whenever I make a mistake I can just blame that.
Sure he was tired, but if you are SO much better, then you win anyway. Your statement was pretty much the essence of someone being butthurt...


Bring a work quote into a proffesional sport anaylsis is pretty lame.

If your tired in any sport you cannot perform to your best level fact (i guess even at work) but if your tired for no reason of your own (being jet lagged is hard to help when you have a tough schedule) is going to effect your game play on multiple levels, micro macro and mechanics will all be effected. You saw after game 2 he was begining to falter pretty badly. BUT like everyone seems to be saying Elfi > HuK even though one is clearly better at the game than the other :S Makes no sense, no 1 is arguing he won, but he won vs a player who was tired and on paper 100x better than him, why are people jumping on the friggin band waggen saying Elfi is a fkn PvP god, i bet theres fkn Masters players on EU with better win rate than Elfi -_- and Elfi is 60% win rate PvP on the EU ladder how is that even a good argument lol?

And how about that "HuK is 100x better than Elfi bandwagon, sitting comfortably? What I am saying is that in EVERY game where a better player loses to a worse one, there's always some excuse. It's cheese, bad preparation etc, NEVER that the other player actually played well and that's what I have a problem with. Imagine a world where the favorite would always win...


Thats how proffesional sport works!!!
Barcelona lose to any team in football its because "Barcelona played bad"
When a top player loses to a weaker one in a one off game its due to the top player playing alot worst than he does. Its how it all works. If Elfi and HuK ever play again and Elfi wins again, then you have an argument for saying Elfi is a PvP baller and is better than HuK at PvP, but people saying he is better than HuK in PvP or in General is a completly false statement.

They always say winning the League in football is better than winning a knock out competition, as anyone can win a one off game due to multiple UNCONTROLLABLE factors (ie jet lag for todays case) but for those who can win in the long run from multiple games in a league based format (NASL format would be closet we have to this) have a greater reward of saying "Were the best over x amount of games vs everyone and anyone"





Uhm no, there can be games where a team out plays Barcelona without them playing bad. That doesn't mean the other team is better overall but on that day they were.
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
November 04 2011 12:08 GMT
#517
SelecT fighting! too bad HuK lost, but hey.....Elfi did his work better, so he deserves the semi-final spot
- me (L) competitive gaming -
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
November 04 2011 12:08 GMT
#518
On November 04 2011 21:07 hasuterrans wrote:
I just tuned in to discover Elfi 4 gating Top 3 Control to a Bo5 victory apparently. Bring on the lulz. I bet Huk fans are raging.

Yes, apparently its not allowed to take freewins from greedy/bad builds.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 04 2011 12:09 GMT
#519
Double hellions, very good against hellions.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
November 04 2011 12:09 GMT
#520
Ah, they are fixing the sync issue it seems :p
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