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HuK, Rain, Haypro, and Mana FIGHTING!!
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Dang, awesome matches incoming!
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Why have 6 players still not played their Week 1 matches?
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3 mirror matches? Really?
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NASL. So much fail! xD
Hope they get back on soon. D:
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That was fun. Everything just kind of... exploded.
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I assume the stream is down for everyone, right? Also, go HuK!
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On September 23 2011 09:56 two.watup wrote:
Why have 6 players still not played their Week 1 matches?
They might have a bye week for all of the players and the make-up matches are shown then. I thinks certain scheduling issues occurred so they only broadcasted 3 games apiece some days last week.
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HuK vs. Axslav being skipped?
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hopefully they are using this down time to find another caster than gretorp
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what happened with huk axslav?!?!?!
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Huk vs Axslav?? anyone see it?
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On September 23 2011 10:11 evaunit01 wrote:
Huk vs Axslav?? anyone see it?
It... poofed. -.-;
I wanted to watch Huk!
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There was some technical difficulties with Match 1 between Huk and Axslav. We are working on it and will be showing at after the other matches.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience.
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On September 23 2011 10:13 NASL.tv wrote:
There was some technical difficulties with Match 1 between Huk and Axslav. We are working on it and will be showing at after the other matches.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience.
Timely response. I like that a lot. It shows that NASL really cares about its watchers.
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On September 23 2011 10:13 NASL.tv wrote:
There was some technical difficulties with Match 1 between Huk and Axslav. We are working on it and will be showing at after the other matches.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience.
Cool, looking good then.
Thank you
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On September 23 2011 10:13 NASL.tv wrote:
There was some technical difficulties with Match 1 between Huk and Axslav. We are working on it and will be showing at after the other matches.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience.
What about the 6 players that didn't play Week 1?
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On September 23 2011 10:15 Petrina wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:13 NASL.tv wrote:
There was some technical difficulties with Match 1 between Huk and Axslav. We are working on it and will be showing at after the other matches.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience. Timely response. I like that a lot. It shows that NASL really cares about its watchers.
Yup, thanks! Now I have to wait and let the anticipation build up... ah well!
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Cloud so far ahead economically oO
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On September 23 2011 10:16 two.watup wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:13 NASL.tv wrote:
There was some technical difficulties with Match 1 between Huk and Axslav. We are working on it and will be showing at after the other matches.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience. What about the 6 players that didn't play Week 1?
Well, there's only 8 players in each group now, but the schedule says the groupstage is still 8 weeks long.
So there'll be weeks with 4 matches and weeks with only 3 matches.
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On September 23 2011 10:16 two.watup wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:13 NASL.tv wrote:
There was some technical difficulties with Match 1 between Huk and Axslav. We are working on it and will be showing at after the other matches.
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience. What about the 6 players that didn't play Week 1?
You're an idiot, somebody responded to you on page one.
It isn't even hard information to find. It is an 8 week season, every player gets a week off.
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs Cloud Game 1Yes (8) 67% No (3) 25% If you have time (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Cloud Game 1 (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
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There seems to be a lot less hype and viewers for this NASL. Hopefully they can end up doing well enough to justify further investment.
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Damn Cloud played some good TvT right there.
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Sick planning and execution by Cloud.
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Poll: Recommend Rain vs Cloud Game 2Yes (8) 73% No (3) 27% If you have time (0) 0% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Cloud Game 2 (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
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I'm actually really enjoying watching the NASL, sure we don't have the Koreans, but it lets me get a good look at a lot of other players. A good opportunity for someone to make a name.
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I'm pretty sure I had a video interview after my match, kinda disappointed they didn't put it in 
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liquidbet on cloud, darkforce huk and mana 
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Rain has a 86% win percentage on the NA ladder, he surely is no slouch.
So that was a great victory for Cloud.
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On September 23 2011 10:38 aTnClouD wrote:I'm pretty sure I had a video interview after my match, kinda disappointed they didn't put it in
would take too much time, they better show a timer before the matches and keep on talking for 5 minutes after each map!
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OP isn't updated yet...so who won the third game? Cloud?
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On September 23 2011 10:40 Daniel C wrote:
OP isn't updated yet...so who won the third game? Cloud?
sorry I was confused I thought that rain won the first game (sorry cloud)
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That game 2 was amazing by cloud
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On September 23 2011 10:38 aTnClouD wrote:I'm pretty sure I had a video interview after my match, kinda disappointed they didn't put it in
Your the man cloud. Keep playing well and show them who's boss!
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Poll: Recommend Haypro vs Darkforce game 1No (3) 60% If you have time. (2) 40% Yes (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Haypro vs Darkforce game 1 (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time.
Waaaaa?
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mr. comeback plz plz plz plz !!1
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Ah shit, I missed Cloud's games. Oh well, at least he won. 
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On September 23 2011 10:08 phyzer23 wrote:
hopefully they are using this down time to find another caster than gretorp
How many casts are you going to spew your hate onto me? You said the same type of slander last time. If you are really displeased, just don't listen to me and listen to the voices in your head about each game.
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On September 23 2011 11:01 Gretorp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:08 phyzer23 wrote:
hopefully they are using this down time to find another caster than gretorp
How many casts are you going to spew your hate onto me? You said the same type of slander last time. If you are really displeased, just don't listen to me and listen to the voices in your head about each game.
Agreed, I fought for your honor last time, and this time as well!
Thoght these threads were being closely moderated
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HuK vs Axslav will be aired after the current HayprO vs Darkforce series. Sorry again about that.
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Poll: Recommend Haypro vs darkforce Game 2Yes (7) 88% No (1) 13% If you have time (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Haypro vs darkforce Game 2 (Vote): Yes
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On September 23 2011 11:11 NASL.tv wrote:HuK vs Axslav will be aired after the current HayprO vs Darkforce series. Sorry again about that.
Thanks for the update. If you keep us informed and give us the game, then there's no reason to apologize, good work
Also, guy who says Gretorp is bad in every LR, just shut up.
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On September 23 2011 11:01 Gretorp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 10:08 phyzer23 wrote:
hopefully they are using this down time to find another caster than gretorp
How many casts are you going to spew your hate onto me? You said the same type of slander last time. If you are really displeased, just don't listen to me and listen to the voices in your head about each game.
Don't let it get you down gretorp, people out there will hate anything. I like your casting and tune in every chance I get.
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On September 23 2011 11:15 norterrible wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:01 Gretorp wrote:On September 23 2011 10:08 phyzer23 wrote:
hopefully they are using this down time to find another caster than gretorp
How many casts are you going to spew your hate onto me? You said the same type of slander last time. If you are really displeased, just don't listen to me and listen to the voices in your head about each game. Don't let it get you down gretorp, people out there will hate anything. I like your casting and tune in every chance I get.
Yeah man, I just feel the caster-bashers are just more verbal than those who are content with the casters to a disproportionate degree
I personally like your style, keep it up
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I think its kinda embarrassing to see professionals on a whole letting trolls who honestly don't believe what they're posting get to them. Its just making you look stupid tbh.
Every celebrity gets these types of people but it just seems like the esports scene people don't srug it off like other industries people do.
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I would really like to see the cloud interview!
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that game two had some amazing fungals from darkforce
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On September 23 2011 11:17 sermokala wrote:
I think its kinda embarrassing to see professionals on a whole letting trolls who honestly don't believe what they're posting get to them. Its just making you look stupid tbh.
Every celebrity gets these types of people but it just seems like the esports scene people don't srug it off like other industries people do.
Yeah...Gretorp, you're actually feeding the trolls 
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Wow that was the...tallest?...battle of sc2 haha. Epic surface area.
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Some terrible engagements by haypro.
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Poll: Recommend Haypro vs Darkforce game 3If you have time (6) 67% yes (3) 33% no (0) 0% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Haypro vs Darkforce game 3 (Vote): yes
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Darkforce looking good, Haypro looking like Haypro.
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On September 23 2011 11:17 sermokala wrote:
I think its kinda embarrassing to see professionals on a whole letting trolls who honestly don't believe what they're posting get to them. Its just making you look stupid tbh.
Every celebrity gets these types of people but it just seems like the esports scene people don't srug it off like other industries people do.
Gretorp needs a PR agent
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On September 23 2011 11:29 Darclite wrote:
Wow that was the...tallest?...battle of sc2 haha. Epic surface area.
It was like a WW1 naval battles, when the opposing fleets line up facing each other. :D
And Darkforce with his typical brutal honesty in teh interview.
And showing again why he is called Talkforce in the German community. xD
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On September 23 2011 11:33 Bodhi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:17 sermokala wrote:
I think its kinda embarrassing to see professionals on a whole letting trolls who honestly don't believe what they're posting get to them. Its just making you look stupid tbh.
Every celebrity gets these types of people but it just seems like the esports scene people don't srug it off like other industries people do. Gretorp needs a PR agent
Its not an PR agent thing its just a professionalism thing. Artosis stopped coming on tl beacuse he was worried he'd get angry and do something stupid and lose his job. He shouldn't really have to worry about it and just shrug off the trolls and not feed them. That guy who always insults you and gets you angry will just keep insulting you.
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On September 23 2011 11:34 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:29 Darclite wrote:
Wow that was the...tallest?...battle of sc2 haha. Epic surface area. It was like a WW1 naval battles, when the opposing fleets line up facing each other. :D
They stopped lineing up after eachother after the battle of Trafalgar. The single BS battle in WW1 was likewise with the same strategy but the germen ships never sacrificed its armor for speed and paid for it. The small skirmish's afterwords had a lot of zig zaging to get away from a stronger fleet.
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oh man darkforce is killing me, 'started going to the gym' - fell off my chair
no insult intended !
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well my liquibet is getting thrashed right now. I somehow misunderstood darkforce for painuser and voted against him -_-
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rofl Darkforce bm'img Haypro hardcore
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cruncher looks like he gained a lot of weight since last season
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"I would have been really angry if I lost because Haypro has been playing terrible"
"I didn't practice for Haypro, just played like it was ladder"
wow, complete diss.
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On September 23 2011 11:37 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:34 Redox wrote:On September 23 2011 11:29 Darclite wrote:
Wow that was the...tallest?...battle of sc2 haha. Epic surface area. It was like a WW1 naval battles, when the opposing fleets line up facing each other. :D They stopped lineing up after eachother after the battle of Trafalgar. The single BS battle in WW1 was likewise with the same strategy but the germen ships never sacrificed its armor for speed and paid for it. The small skirmish's afterwords had a lot of zig zaging to get away from a stronger fleet.
Paid by having fewer casualties against a numerical superior fleet?
Ok VERY off-topic, I drop it. :D
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On September 23 2011 11:17 sermokala wrote:
I think its kinda embarrassing to see professionals on a whole letting trolls who honestly don't believe what they're posting get to them. Its just making you look stupid tbh.
Every celebrity gets these types of people but it just seems like the esports scene people don't srug it off like other industries people do.
And I'd counter that the vast majority of celebrities don't interact with the general public in any meaningful way, probably for that very reason.
I'm obviously not comparing Gretorp to a movie star, but it's a general comparison. Here's a better analogy. I frequent an MMA forum. There used to be a lot of UFC level fighters who posted on it. As MMA became more popular, the trolls got worse, and the fighters stopped posting.
The onus is on us, the general public, to not act like entitled shit heads if we want the celebrity style people to continue interacting with us.
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On September 23 2011 11:41 openbox1 wrote:
"I would have been really angry if I lost because Haypro has been playing terrible"
"I didn't practice for Haypro, just played like it was ladder"
wow, complete diss.
While it is a diss. It's not like he's making false statements.
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On September 23 2011 11:41 openbox1 wrote:
"I would have been really angry if I lost because Haypro has been playing terrible"
"I didn't practice for Haypro, just played like it was ladder"
wow, complete diss.
Adding on to that second quote: "I'd like to thank Cloud for practicing with me lately... I didn't really practice for Haypro and just played like it was ladder"
So easy he practices his ZvT lol
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Lol wow Huk is fucking fearless.
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Wow axslav epic holds. but axslav's going for a ob instead of an immo.
so close I really can't wait to see what huks gona do next.
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Axlav trying to get 2-3 immortals so he can push down and kill the pylon
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if huk lets axslav get his immo count up hes dead.
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Can anyone tell me who the casters today with Gretorp are?
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I hate this colossi are better then immos against blink stalkers from pros. its just wrong. if axslav had 7 8 immo's huk would be dead
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Pretty close game we have here.
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Wow huk might just pull this one out.
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Lol they actually mined out their mains. Thats pretty hardcore!
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Great first game after everything.
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Huk with all the amazing pvps XD
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Poor Axslav. He was doing so well too
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wow huk what a patient beast.
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Poll: Recommend Huk vs Axslav game 1Yes (15) 94% If you have time (1) 6% No (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Huk vs Axslav game 1 (Vote): Yes
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That was really good blink micro considering how much lag he must have, playing from KR.
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That's the second time I have seen PvP go around 25 mins on 1 base
The first was MC vs Huk, 4 gate vs 4 gate for 25 mins until MC mined out and huk had like 10 more supply
If axlav had a proxy pylon on the map, he would have won, huk wouldn't have been able to get a robo fast enough.
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Top 3 control. Well 4 gate is dead, right?
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On September 23 2011 12:00 yotis wrote:
Top 3 control. Well 4 gate is dead, right?
Not on taldarim altar!
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United States7483 Posts
4 gating is a bad idea on this map.
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Did Gretorp just call HuK Jesus?
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IMMO PHENOIX WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Critical micro decision mistakes and now huk is about to roll him.
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Axlsav with the worst build and decision making ive ever seen. Wow this pvp is gonna give me a panic attack.
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Units that still work in PvP
Colossus [X]
Phoenix [ ]
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Poll: Recommend huk vs Axslav game 2If you have time (5) 63% No (2) 25% Yes (1) 13% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend huk vs Axslav game 2 (Vote): Yes
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Did they seriously think taht Axslav had a chance in taht attack or were they just trying to keep up the suspense?
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On September 23 2011 12:09 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Units that still work in PvP
Colossus [X]
Phoenix [ ]
phoenix works he just needed to grav the zealots up and roast them while his immos focus onto the colossi and the zealots swarmed.
fantasy gg timeing?
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Unless 27 is less that 0 this game should be over. GG HuK.
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On September 23 2011 12:10 Redox wrote:
Did they seriously think taht Axslav had a chance in taht attack or were they just trying to keep up the suspense?
He did, with better positioning and control, he attacked at a terrible angle. He needed to catch the colossi out of position.
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Terrible decision making from Axlav... I thought you learn from diamond league that you have to attack if your opponent is teching to colossi from a loss. Seriously...
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phoenix are crap pvp, not much more to it lol
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Ehh, not a fan of penix in pvp...
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On September 23 2011 12:11 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:10 Redox wrote:
Did they seriously think taht Axslav had a chance in taht attack or were they just trying to keep up the suspense? He did, with better positioning and control, he attacked at a terrible angle. He needed to catch the colossi out of position.
There was no way Axslav could have killed all these zealots on top of the colossi.
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HuK's PvP is so gosu.
How did Cloud vs Rain go?
Dont Void rays do better vs Colossus? They get bonus to Massive.
I won a team game with mass void ray vs colossus, they went down so fast.
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I've made phenoix immo work well in pvp that was just sad.
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On September 23 2011 12:13 Techno wrote:
HuK's PvP is so gosu.
How did Cloud vs Rain go?
2-0 cloud
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On September 23 2011 12:13 Techno wrote:
HuK's PvP is so gosu.
How did Cloud vs Rain go?
Well to put it simply and not spoilerly.
We have game recommendations you could have checked too btw.
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why would you need to spoiler a LR thread...
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On September 23 2011 12:13 Techno wrote:
HuK's PvP is so gosu.
How did Cloud vs Rain go?
Dont Void rays do better vs Colossus? They get bonus to Massive.
I won a team game with mass void ray vs colossus, they went down so fast.
No >.< It's not Huk being gosu. It's axlav making bad strategic decision.
Just attack when only 1 colossus is out...geez
(I really refrain from critiquing pro since they're obviously much better than I am, but that game... Axlav threw the huge lead away)
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On September 23 2011 12:15 foxmeep wrote:
why would you need to spoiler a LR thread...
In case theres only 2 games duh.
Or some people start watching halfway in and still want to talk about it.
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worst build i've ever seen in a tvp
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On September 23 2011 12:20 razy wrote:
tvp is brat's worst mu
i think tvt is his best, not sure aobut tvp or tvz being worse/better.
But mana beats every foreign terran, even some koreans here and there, so obv bratok has a hard time.
if mana wins im 4/4 today
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On September 23 2011 12:25 Kitaen wrote:
worst build i've ever seen in a tvp
Mana just played Brat_Ok a million times and knows about the drop while attack the front/ the other attack was nice until he lost the raven. Also- fail on the econ by brat ok- cutting scvs when he doesnt have to
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Poll: Recommend BRAT_OK vs Mana game 1Yes (2) 50% No (2) 50% If you have time. (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend BRAT_OK vs Mana game 1 (Vote): Yes
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On September 23 2011 12:29 Pirat6662001 wrote:Mana just played Brat_Ok a million times and knows about the drop while attack the front/ the other attack was nice until he lost the raven. Also- fail on the econ by brat ok- cutting scvs when he doesnt have to
The casters missed that Mana had an obs right in position to watch the medivac load up and go past.
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On September 23 2011 12:29 DiaBoLuS wrote:i think tvt is his best, not sure aobut tvp or tvz being worse/better. But mana beats every foreign terran, even some koreans here and there, so obv bratok has a hard time. if mana wins im 4/4 today
I've played him on ladder a few times, his TvT is ridiculously good lmao >< and PvT it's definitely MaNa's best MU
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Russian Federation949 Posts
Missing that probe just shows that BratOk is not really on right now. No killer instinct.
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I don't think any protoss is comfortable on this map....
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Why is he being so passive and not controling the towers? making toss nervous? he has bigger army and knows it
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On September 23 2011 12:36 Whitewing wrote:
I don't think any protoss is comfortable on this map....
It's a very good PvT map I believe the GSL results support me on that, if I can scrounge them up I'll edit them in.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
NO GHOST?????????? Brat is just deciding not to try these games
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gretorp is actually wrong. BratOK never used to build ghosts even when he saw HTs =_=
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Someone tell Brat how good Ghosts are........ -_-
Oh and Gretorp is making some bad calls here.
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Lol how did Bratok win that engagement? He literally sat in those storms and had no ghosts.
On September 23 2011 12:44 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:36 Whitewing wrote:
I don't think any protoss is comfortable on this map.... It's a very good PvT map I believe the GSL results support me on that, if I can scrounge them up I'll edit them in.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/445_Dual Sight
PvT: 19-27 (41.3%)
How is it very good for PvT? The sample size is too small to call it bad but it's not "very good" by any means. Especially versus zerg.
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On September 23 2011 12:44 Pirat6662001 wrote:
NO GHOST?????????? Brat is just deciding not to try these games
Then he would rarely ever try in his matches, as he very rarely uses ghosts in his original unit composition and only uses them to remax with.
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This game reminds me of ladder before the KA nerf lmao
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Russian Federation899 Posts
"at what cost"? brat is 40 supply up and the gold was mined out anyway
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Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it.
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On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it.
it's always like this when he is playing against more PR'ed opponents.
Awesome micro from Brat. Who needs ghosts when u have nice splits
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On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it.
totally agreed.
bratok was in the lead the whole game and yet the commentators keep saying mana was ahead with a -20 supply deficit
bratok's gold was built BEFORE his normal third and yet the commentators failed to spot that
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even without ghosts and tons of great storms, mmm rapes toss anyway. medvacs underrated.very well played from bratok.
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On September 23 2011 12:52 razy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it. it's always like this when he is playing against more PR'ed opponents. Awesome micro from Brat. Who needs ghosts when u have nice splits
He sat in literally every storm? Medivacs > storm really, if you have enough in medium sized engagements without colossi it doesn't even matter if you get stormed.
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On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it.
I don't think it's bias. I think they're just bad at reading the game. I also think Lz is just a little too shy and non-confrontational to spot and openly disagree with Gretorp's misreads.
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On September 23 2011 12:53 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:52 razy wrote:On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it. it's always like this when he is playing against more PR'ed opponents. Awesome micro from Brat. Who needs ghosts when u have nice splits He sat in literally every storm?
? have we watched the same game? :D
edit: yeah, after rereading ur initial post i understood what kind of an e-dude u r. GL arguing with urself i'm not going fall for that :D
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United States7483 Posts
I like how they conveniently ignore the fact that this map heavily favors terran in this matchup, and I mean heavily. It's an awful map for protoss.
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On September 23 2011 12:52 gideel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it. totally agreed. bratok was in the lead the whole game and yet the commentators keep saying mana was ahead with a -20 supply deficit bratok's gold was built BEFORE his normal third and yet the commentators failed to spot that
It's two ex-Terrans talking about TvP. In their minds, Protoss is ahead even when they're behind
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On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it.
It was really the fact that he obliterated 4 colossi and a bunch of HT and sentries in the first major engage when he survived with the vikings and a few marauders.
It cost him little to remax, but MaNa on the other hand...
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On September 23 2011 12:53 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it. I don't think it's bias. I think they're just bad at reading the game.
BINGO! GREDERP has no idea what's happening.
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On September 23 2011 12:54 razy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:53 Heavenly wrote:On September 23 2011 12:52 razy wrote:On September 23 2011 12:51 Zath.erin wrote:
Holy crap the casters are so biased for Mana this game, Bratok was ahead in supply for like 10 minutes and denied Manas 4th and they're still saying hes behind and needs this or that to stay in it. it's always like this when he is playing against more PR'ed opponents. Awesome micro from Brat. Who needs ghosts when u have nice splits He sat in literally every storm? ? have we watched the same game? :D
Apparently not, because the only time I saw BratOk actually micro his army a bit was against two archons acting like it was 50 banelings. He sat in tons of storms without moving.
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On September 23 2011 12:44 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:36 Whitewing wrote:
I don't think any protoss is comfortable on this map.... It's a very good PvT map I believe the GSL results support me on that, if I can scrounge them up I'll edit them in.
Nah, it's just the opposite in the GSL, terran nearly always wins. There are tons of great dropping locations, a lot of open space, and it's very spread out, all things that really blow chunks for protoss.
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Poll: Recommend BRAT_OK vs Mana game 2Yes (7) 78% No (2) 22% If you have time (0) 0% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend BRAT_OK vs Mana game 2 (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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On September 23 2011 12:45 Telcontar wrote:
Someone tell Brat how good Ghosts are........ -_-
Oh and Gretorp is making some bad calls here.
some?
he completely messed up lol
brat_ok is 50 supply ahead and he is talking about manas good shape (even after losing like 5 colossi)
or his commenting on the drop where a single colossi dies to 2 marauders and he is hyping the good job the colossi does, rofl
or his call how hard it is to resupply marauders, while he kept all vikings and medivacs alive and the protoss lost literally everthing
not sure if serious
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Ugh, this map is almost an auto-loss for protoss as well. Just terrible maps.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
15 seconds with no scv building from both cc
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On September 23 2011 12:56 Kitaen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:45 Telcontar wrote:
Someone tell Brat how good Ghosts are........ -_-
Oh and Gretorp is making some bad calls here. some? he completely messed up lol brat_ok is 50 supply ahead and he is talking about manas good shape (even after losing like 5 colossi) or his commenting on the drop where a single colossi dies to 2 marauders and he is hyping the good job the colossi does, rofl or his call how hard it is to resupply marauders, while he kept all vikings and medivacs alive and the protoss lost literally everthing not sure if serious
I said some because I only started watching when that big battle occured and didn't know what his casting had been like up to that point. I also didn't want to criticise too heavily since casting-bashing isn't really my thing. However, I will agree that he made some awful calls that game and seemed pretty clueless as to what was actually happening.
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On September 23 2011 12:56 Kitaen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 12:45 Telcontar wrote:
Someone tell Brat how good Ghosts are........ -_-
Oh and Gretorp is making some bad calls here. some? he completely messed up lol brat_ok is 50 supply ahead and he is talking about manas good shape (even after losing like 5 colossi) or his commenting on the drop where a single colossi dies to 2 marauders and he is hyping the good job the colossi does, rofl or his call how hard it is to resupply marauders, while he kept all vikings and medivacs alive and the protoss lost literally everthing not sure if serious
with 10 marauders being made at the same time, casters are just.... wrong
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On September 23 2011 13:00 Whitewing wrote:
Ugh, this map is almost an auto-loss for protoss as well. Just terrible maps.
Given the current racial balance, nearly every map will be a bad Protoss map. Would you rather have Backwater Gultch back that was ridiculously unfair to Zergs?
Bel'Shir was probably the addition met with the most skepticism, both in the GSL and here, but still, why bother with map selections when there aren't any terrain features that can be straight up abused. *blink on TDA*
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Im callin it here:
Immortals are better than High Templar
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Russian Federation949 Posts
Brat ok lost this, no 3rd, barely 40 scvs, no really ability to tech switch
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On September 23 2011 13:03 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 13:00 Whitewing wrote:
Ugh, this map is almost an auto-loss for protoss as well. Just terrible maps. Given the current racial balance, nearly every map will be a bad Protoss map. Would you rather have Backwater Gultch back that was ridiculously unfair to Zergs? Bel'Shir was probably the addition met with the most skepticism, both in the GSL and here, but still, why bother with map selections when there aren't any terrain features that can be straight up abused. *blink on TDA*
Not every map is a bad protoss map, I'm talking about maps that are just blatently awful for protoss. Shakuras Plateau, for example, is a map I think is pretty good for Protoss.
But maps that have huge, wide open expansions like Bel'Shir and Dual Sight are just AWFUL for toss.
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Lol Mana is going up to like 85 probes?
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Russian Federation228 Posts
How do you kill this as a terran? :C
Gotta 1-1-1 me thinks.
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if MaNa loses this...
keep some HT in ur base please. PvT 101.
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On September 23 2011 13:08 sunnata wrote:
How do you kill this as a terran? :C
Gotta 1-1-1 me thinks.
Don't have 45 to 85 workers?
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Bratok is going toe to toe with Mana with 45 workers and no ghosts.
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Caught in the worst position possible.
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oh God, that last engagement was a slaughter @_@
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that was the most ridiculously 1 sided battle I've seen in a pro match in a very long time lol =( poor BratOK
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Poll: Recommend BRAT_OK vs Mana game 3Yes (8) 80% No (2) 20% If you have time (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend BRAT_OK vs Mana game 3 (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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lol half the workers, no casters, no upgrade advantage, no base advantage...what are you doing bratok?
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MaNa is so fun to watch, glad he won
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No big suprices today well Cloud vs Rain was unexpected.
Some nice games
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On September 23 2011 13:08 sunnata wrote:
How do you kill this as a terran? :C
Gotta 1-1-1 me thinks.
10 ghosts, 10 vikings, 8 meidvacs, rest 3-3 maroders.
bratok didnt add ghost till 25 minute mark or so? it was 2-2 vs 3-3 in the end and on top of it, that last fight was just the most unlucky position ever^^
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Russian Federation949 Posts
Such a disappointment, why does Ukraine get 4 awesome players and we get 2 mediocre ones? Freaking ridiculous. He got into an awesome position after killing all of the collosus and then for some reason charged into a choke with red marauders vs storm that he knew was there- 1 storm killed 27 supply. and instead of being 20 ahead he got behind again. Instead snipe the freaking 3rd
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On September 23 2011 13:16 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 13:08 sunnata wrote:
How do you kill this as a terran? :C
Gotta 1-1-1 me thinks. 10 ghosts, 10 vikings, 8 meidvacs, rest 3-3 maroders. bratok didnt add ghost till 25 minute mark or so? it was 2-2 vs 3-3 in the end and on top of it, that last fight was just the most unlucky position ever^^
Go into zealots since there is nothing too good against them there (no one besides MVP has the micro to use that many snipes that fast.)
And that position wasnt unlucky- just dumb, he knew exactly where toss army is
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On September 23 2011 13:16 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 13:08 sunnata wrote:
How do you kill this as a terran? :C
Gotta 1-1-1 me thinks. 10 ghosts, 10 vikings, 8 meidvacs, rest 3-3 maroders. bratok didnt add ghost till 25 minute mark or so? it was 2-2 vs 3-3 in the end and on top of it, that last fight was just the most unlucky position ever^^
QFT carrier/colossi I think are the future of pvt just no sustainability in non massive protoss units with ghosts around.
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Mana: "I have to go to university because I have to secure my future..."
What, you can't do it playing SC 2?
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Well no wonder MaNa got such a good PvT if his practise partners is Strelok,Morrow and Thorzain.
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On September 23 2011 13:19 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 13:16 DiaBoLuS wrote:On September 23 2011 13:08 sunnata wrote:
How do you kill this as a terran? :C
Gotta 1-1-1 me thinks. 10 ghosts, 10 vikings, 8 meidvacs, rest 3-3 maroders. bratok didnt add ghost till 25 minute mark or so? it was 2-2 vs 3-3 in the end and on top of it, that last fight was just the most unlucky position ever^^ QFT carrier/colossi I think are the future of pvt just no sustainability in non massive protoss units with ghosts around.
Carriers suck.
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On September 23 2011 13:21 Azarkon wrote:Mana: "I have to go to university because I have to secure my future..." What, you can't do it playing SC 2?
I hope he takes a year off it would be a shame to lose such an amazing young player
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Seems like Rain's Korean training is slowly but surely starting to wear off.
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Yeah Cloud & Darkforce! Germany fighting!
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On September 23 2011 13:18 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 13:16 DiaBoLuS wrote:On September 23 2011 13:08 sunnata wrote:
How do you kill this as a terran? :C
Gotta 1-1-1 me thinks. 10 ghosts, 10 vikings, 8 meidvacs, rest 3-3 maroders. bratok didnt add ghost till 25 minute mark or so? it was 2-2 vs 3-3 in the end and on top of it, that last fight was just the most unlucky position ever^^ Go into zealots since there is nothing too good against them there (no one besides MVP has the micro to use that many snipes that fast.) And that position wasnt unlucky- just dumb, he knew exactly where toss army is
once you get above 10, helions vs zealots is kinda funny. charge doesnt even make a difference
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Didn't expect Rain to ruin my perfect liquibet :/
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Woot! My boy Cloud! I'm real proud :D
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SaD HayprO lost :< Better luck next time :D
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On September 23 2011 13:38 KiNGxXx wrote:Yeah Cloud & Darkforce! Germany fighting!
ClouD is italian right? Or am I misunderstood? In WC3 he atleast was many time the Italian reprensative
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On September 23 2011 14:46 michielbrands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 13:38 KiNGxXx wrote:Yeah Cloud & Darkforce! Germany fighting! ClouD is italian right? Or am I misunderstood? In WC3 he atleast was many time the Italian reprensative
Yes, he's italian. But he lives in Germany and has a big fan base here!
edit: But he's from BW not WC3
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If someone wants to do the LR thread for tomarrow pm me. I'm gona try and find someone to do it on my own but I'm realizeing now I can't do it.
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The cookie monster is back!! Yes, Cloud, yes!!
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Sigh, shouldn't have voted for Haypro. I thought having ZvZ practice partners like Ret would help out, but somehow Haypro just does.not.win.
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Does any one knows why the always play on NA server in NASL? Like the game Fenix vs Hero, why on earth would they play on NA server? The commentator doesnt like to have lag or what?
Just outright stupid, lower the quality of tournament over all. I mean even in Shoutcraft invitational they switch between servers and when their is NA vs NA player or EU vs EU player they obviously play on their "home" server. You think that if TB can manage that solo from his appartment you would think NASL would be able to do that to.
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had them all right on lqiuid bet but Cloud, never expected that!!! Well Done CLoud!!!
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On September 23 2011 16:27 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Does any one knows why the always play on NA server in NASL? Like the game Fenix vs Hero, why on earth would they play on NA server? The commentator doesnt like to have lag or what?
Just outright stupid, lower the quality of tournament over all. I mean even in Shoutcraft invitational they switch between servers and when their is NA vs NA player or EU vs EU player they obviously play on their "home" server. You think that if TB can manage that solo from his appartment you would think NASL would be able to do that to.
They don't. The rules this season state that if two players live in the same region, they may play on their own server. I do not know why they played the first match on the NA server, but they definitely played the second on the KR server (oGsHero is his korean account).
If they are not in the same region, then games are played on NA by default.
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Huk taught me a lot about pvp in that first game, but it appears this was played before patch 1.4 hit right? I'm unsure if more immortals would have won him that.
It was truly remarkable that he won though. By applying constant pressure and using blink effectively, he didn't let axslav expand at all while being able to expand on his own.
I wonder if axslav would have made a nexus instead of collosus and then transferred all of his probes while geting blink. IDK. PVP is such a tough matchup.
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On September 24 2011 02:08 darmousseh wrote:
Huk taught me a lot about pvp in that first game, but it appears this was played before patch 1.4 hit right? I'm unsure if more immortals would have won him that.
It was truly remarkable that he won though. By applying constant pressure and using blink effectively, he didn't let axslav expand at all while being able to expand on his own.
I wonder if axslav would have made a nexus instead of collosus and then transferred all of his probes while geting blink. IDK. PVP is such a tough matchup.
No, it was played after, you could tell that by how the 4 gate was played out (he never tried to put a pylon below the ramp and get vision to warp in.
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Great play by Cloud, seems like his injury hasn't slowed him down one bit!
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Haha "Machine has good ZvZ especially in MLG" Gretorp the ultimate troll.
Mashine lost to july a bo3 in 10 minutes ^^
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Cloud was a positive surprise. Lost the bet but it's ok. :D
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