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NASL Season 2 Week 1 Day 2!
Division 2
http://www.nasl.tv
Friday, Sep 16 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Why only 3 matches today 
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Only 3 games? and brat_ok is already highlighted game 1 in results, but anyway i look forward to huk mana pvp definitely
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On September 16 2011 04:26 nekuodah wrote:
Only 3 games? and brat_ok is already highlighted game 1 in results, but anyway i look forward to huk mana pvp definitely
Copy+Paste text-from-a-previous-thread-as-a-template fail. My apologies. D:
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Mana vs Huk rematch will be sick! Will Huk get revenge? :oo
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Lol, HuK is an American in games 2 and 3 of the spoiler. I wish.
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How come only three matches?
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On September 16 2011 04:38 Andrew2658 wrote:
How come only three matches?
Only 40 players in the league. Still having an 8 week season... there will be points that there's 4 matches a night or 3 matches a night due to byes and such.
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On September 16 2011 04:41 Killerhands wrote:Only 40 players in the league. Still having an 8 week season... there will be points that there's 4 matches a night or 3 matches a night due to byes and such.
Oh, I thought they cut the number of weeks down.
Anyways, I got Mana, Rain, and Bratok
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On September 16 2011 04:48 Andrew2658 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 04:41 Killerhands wrote:On September 16 2011 04:38 Andrew2658 wrote:
How come only three matches? Only 40 players in the league. Still having an 8 week season... there will be points that there's 4 matches a night or 3 matches a night due to byes and such. Oh, I thought they cut the number of weeks down. Anyways, I got Mana, Rain, and Bratok
I got the same, I'm not 100% sure on BRAT_OK tho maybe Haypro can upset but the other two are pretty solid.
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On September 16 2011 04:48 Andrew2658 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 04:41 Killerhands wrote:On September 16 2011 04:38 Andrew2658 wrote:
How come only three matches? Only 40 players in the league. Still having an 8 week season... there will be points that there's 4 matches a night or 3 matches a night due to byes and such. Oh, I thought they cut the number of weeks down. Anyways, I got Mana, Rain, and Bratok
Cut down from 9 weeks to 8 weeks. But 10 players less still means there are 4 game days with 3 matches in each group.
I've got Huk, Rain and Brat_OK, but Mana can totally take it.
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Mana/Huk rematch, but Mana has time and latency on his side. He took it last time, at a lan, he should this time with advantages.
Rain roflstomps Axslav.
Autovote against Haypro.
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Huk 2-1
Rain 2-0
Haypro 2-1
BratOk is a really strong player, but I'd love to see Haypro upset, and I think he has the potential to do it.
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On September 16 2011 04:34 Brasso wrote:
Lol, HuK is an American in games 2 and 3 of the spoiler. I wish.
Huk is half american half canadian.
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HuK 2-1 Mana
Rain 2-0 Axslav
Brat_OK 2-0 HayprO
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
As a service to people who have VOD access, it would be nice if you had a Recommended Games section.
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On September 16 2011 09:41 motbob wrote:
As a service to people who have VOD access, it would be nice if you had a Recommended Games section.
Added.
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Mana 2-1 Huk. Huk is in korea, bad time, and bad lag. and volatile PvP matchup, lag matters!!!
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No Darkforce or Cloud today? That match would have been fun to watch, though I suppose that it will be shown in the coming weeks.
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I voted Huk, Axslav and BRAT_OK.
Yours?
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nice, love orb's casting. usually solo tho.
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Strippers getting slapped, lmao
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in before people take that seriously
goooo huk!
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Thats not a recommended games section look at any other LR thread for a major event and do that one. You make a poll for each match and you post it in the LR thread when the match has just ended and people will vote on it as you post it in that section at the same time. Its really not that complex and its in a lot of formats I don't get how you didn't copy and paste that part.
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huk and mana party like a boss.
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Gretorp is casting like a fucking boss. Love dat guy
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Switching back and forth between this and MLG International
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Huk snuck around Mana's zealot/stalker with his own, placed two forward pylons, had a 4-gate to Mana's 3-gate. Huk 1-0
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On September 16 2011 10:13 Xivsa wrote:
What happened in Game 1?
Huk took it
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anyone else having stream issues? just seems to be a black screen to me, wheres as MLGs stream is working fine
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It was a little jerky. I just reloaded
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Nice control by both players. Lets see this go to game 3
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Nice defense there by MaNa.
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On September 16 2011 10:09 Kouda wrote:
Gretorp is casting like a fucking boss. Love dat guy
yeah i'm liking him a lot more this season, he's really improved
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Naice one mana, one more come on. one more.
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mana vs huk with orb and gretorp casting....
Wake me up because I think I'm in SC2 heaven.
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Gorb is a good casting combo. always liked the ICCuptv / esvtv korean weekly
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So I had no troubles watching yesterday, but today I get only a black screen after a few seconds.
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On September 16 2011 10:20 LloydRays wrote:
Gorb is a good casting combo. always liked the ICCuptv / esvtv korean weekly
More like Gretorb 
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Every time a new game starts it stutters, if I change the resolution, even to a higher resolution and reload the stream it fixes it. Really strange.
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noooo gretorp
"all intents and purposes" not "all intensive purposes"
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On September 16 2011 10:23 Shaetan wrote:noooo gretorp "all intents and purposes" not "all intensive purposes"
He got it right, but he's also falling into the habit of repeating trite phrases like that in the next 20 minutes of his casting. Ah well, I'm pleasantly surprised with Orb, haven't heard his casting much before.
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United States7483 Posts
Why does it always lag badly whenever there's any fighting going on?
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On September 16 2011 10:26 Whitewing wrote:
Why does it always lag badly whenever there's any fighting going on?
No lag for me, it's been flawless so far.
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It's here ?
Yeah, gogo Mana xD
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On September 16 2011 10:26 Whitewing wrote:
Why does it always lag badly whenever there's any fighting going on?
Same for me, only on nasl stream. (and in season 1 too)
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United States7483 Posts
On September 16 2011 10:27 ODieN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:26 Whitewing wrote:
Why does it always lag badly whenever there's any fighting going on? No lag for me, it's been flawless so far.
I have it down to 240p, it's still lagging, and I can usually stream almost anything other than NASL on 1080p without issue.
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Fail blink by MaNa right there...
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Omg, what is wrong with those blinks?! Wow.
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Ouch mana, this is a guy that never makes mistakes either.
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Mana = # 4 control at best
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a lot less lag. Thank god they fixed that.
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not only koreans suffer from lag..............
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HuK has a real good lead right now.
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United States7483 Posts
Well, HuK is playing from Korea, Mana is playing from Europe, and they are both on the NA server, so they both have awful lag.
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Gretorb! Seriously I love this casting duo... ;D
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Why is chat subscribers only? That's extremely irritating.
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On September 16 2011 10:29 Whitewing wrote:
Well, HuK is playing from Korea, Mana is playing from Europe, and they are both on the NA server, so they both have awful lag.
It's kind of been proven that KR to NA has much bigger lag.
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On September 16 2011 10:30 CScythe wrote:
Gretorb! Seriously I love this casting duo... ;D
Woot yeah you're right, it's Orb ! What an excellent decision by NASL !
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Oh man, so happy to see Orb is casting with Gretorp now! Great Duo, cheers !!!!
(still miss InControl tho, but loving the new Duo)
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Wtf is Mana doing? So confused.
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What is MaNa doing with his blink stalkers?
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United States7483 Posts
On September 16 2011 10:31 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:29 Whitewing wrote:
Well, HuK is playing from Korea, Mana is playing from Europe, and they are both on the NA server, so they both have awful lag. It's kind of been proven that KR to NA has much bigger lag.
Yeah, I'm not disputing that, just saying that Mana has lag too, and that might be affecting him.
If you watched White-ra vs. Fenix last night, White-ra was having massive issues as well with it.
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HuK should just get his own blink to be honest.
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On September 16 2011 10:30 Uncultured wrote:
Why is chat subscribers only? That's extremely irritating.
Because it gets flooded with retarded trolls and moves waaay too fast.
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On September 16 2011 10:31 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:29 Whitewing wrote:
Well, HuK is playing from Korea, Mana is playing from Europe, and they are both on the NA server, so they both have awful lag. It's kind of been proven that KR to NA has much bigger lag.
depends i would guess for example ukraine-NA is pretty similar to korea-NA
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On September 16 2011 10:32 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:31 JKira wrote:On September 16 2011 10:29 Whitewing wrote:
Well, HuK is playing from Korea, Mana is playing from Europe, and they are both on the NA server, so they both have awful lag. It's kind of been proven that KR to NA has much bigger lag. Yeah, I'm not disputing that, just saying that Mana has lag too, and that might be affecting him. If you watched White-ra vs. Fenix last night, White-ra was having massive issues as well with it.
Yea that's true. I believe a few EU players have complained about lag from EU to NA before. I feel like that WhiteRa vs Fenix thing was more of a BNET thing in general though >_<
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We all saw it coming HuK played beautiful last game, great ffs on his ramp, good game indeed.
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Nice job, HuK! 2-1 win over MaNa.
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On September 16 2011 10:32 Telcontar wrote:
Wtf is Mana doing? So confused.
I think he was trying to all-in basically, figuring he couldn't hold an expansion so he wanted to win it before he was complete mined out. Hence the constant aggression even as he was losing over half his stalkers each time.
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Looks like huk's riskier build payed off along with mana's mistakes.
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Go Axslav and BRAT_OK! :D
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Huk gambled well that game. I feel that Mana could have won that game but perhaps the general lag prevented his blink micro from working that well.
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A few secs after i load the stream the ad starts. The problem is that no ad starts... Instead the stream freez and nothing happens. Anyone els with this problem?
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United States7483 Posts
I don't get it, I never have streaming difficulties except with the NASL stream. I have no trouble loading the advertisements either, but the stream is constantly lagging for me, on 240p. Anyone have any idea what might be causing this?
It's basically unwatchable.
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Huk is showing why he is the #1 foreign protoss. NA fighting!
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On September 16 2011 10:35 Phixxx wrote:
A few secs after i load the stream the ad starts. The problem is that no ad starts... Instead the stream freez and nothing happens. Anyone els with this problem?
No problem here. What are you using? Firefox, Chrome or IE?
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On September 16 2011 10:35 Phixxx wrote:
A few secs after i load the stream the ad starts. The problem is that no ad starts... Instead the stream freez and nothing happens. Anyone els with this problem?
Same problem here and I'm also from Sweden. Most definitely on twitch.tv's side.
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i'm getting lags as well...
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On September 16 2011 10:35 Phixxx wrote:
A few secs after i load the stream the ad starts. The problem is that no ad starts... Instead the stream freez and nothing happens. Anone els with this problem?
got that before, refresh worked for me
never heared of orb, but they are doing a good job imho, enjoy the commentary quite much.
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stream is so fuckin laggy
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On September 16 2011 10:34 TranceStorm wrote:
Huk gambled well that game. I feel that Mana could have won that game but perhaps the general lag prevented his blink micro from working that well.
No. Huk's ff micro prevented the blink up. Not lag. Huk was the better player.
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Gretorp a Protoss user now?! O_O
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It is weird since i stream ALOT and this never happens....
I tryed to refresh.. tryed to watch the stream outside of TL...still same thing
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Listening to gretorp actually makes it hard for me to watch the NASL, his voice and personality really grates on me.
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IN FACTLY!
I will slaughter you Gretorp.
On September 16 2011 10:40 Project Psycho wrote:
Listening to gretorp actually makes it hard for me to watch the NASL, his voice and personality really grates on me.
Couldn't disagree more. Love him season one, season two he's even better.
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Gretorp just said infactly...
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1 gate expand is the response to 1/1/1 not the other way around >.<
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Was that a facebook sound in the audio of NASL?
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Wow which caster said that 1 gate expand is bad against 111? God I'm tired of silver leaguers casting games -_-
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On September 16 2011 10:41 Moobutt wrote:
Gretorp just said infactly...
And that is why we love him!
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Yeah.. if anything 1gate expand has shown the most wins vs 1-1-1 compared to any other build.
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United States7483 Posts
Ugh, this lag is unbearable, I can't watch this.
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On September 16 2011 10:42 wuddersup wrote:
Wow which caster said that 1 gate expand is bad against 111? God I'm tired of silver leaguers casting games -_-
orb is masters and gretorp was a pro (ofc they were wrong though)
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He's making 3 rax because he didn't build a reactor guys =)
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What is orb talking about? Almost everyone adds 2 rax after the initial banshee.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
Why do casters insist on commenting about what does and does not counter a build without taking steps to actually educate themselves on the builds themselves?
Then again, saying that it 'sometimes counters' might be a very ambigous term really.
I feel like I miss Lz a little already. Nothing against Orb at all, but it is easy to miss Lz on general terms so oh well.
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On September 16 2011 10:42 wuddersup wrote:
Wow which caster said that 1 gate expand is bad against 111? God I'm tired of silver leaguers casting games -_-
It is the most annoying thing I have ever had to deal with when watching casted games. Every single foreign caster says that crap/ It doesn't even make sense. A build that requires a shit ton of tech and upgrades and unit production off one base takes a long ass time to get off the ground. You don't counter a fast expansion with a attack AFTER the expansion is paid off...
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Axlav is already dead imo, didn't reacted well at all.
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Wow this is super super greedy, colo AND range already?
What a terrible engagement from Rain :|.
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Holy shit rain just got smashed.
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On September 16 2011 10:45 MrCon wrote:
Axlav is already dead imo, didn't reacted well at all.
Obviously I'm wrong xD
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Huh, Axlav is right he doenst have any problem holding off a 1/1/1.
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Practising with Puma is pretty helpful, eh?
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
A gigtantic anti-timing attack?
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On September 16 2011 10:38 McDrew wrote:
go axlav!
1 more to go!
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United States7483 Posts
Lack of siege mode screwed Rain there.
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rain with a siegeless 1/1/1.... wtf
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lol rain, wtf dude, attacking before seige mode?
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Wow. Attack without Siege mode....?? lol
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1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes.
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Could gretorp sound any less excited about axslav crushing that and rain gging?
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Wow, that was really underwhelming. I thought 1/1/1 style is supposed to be really strong??
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On September 16 2011 10:45 Adreme wrote:
Huh, Axlav is right he doenst have any problem holding off a 1/1/1.
When it's executed that badly any pro toss should hold.
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Rain screwed that up pretty bad. He should have come in from the left where there was no high ground for the collosus to kill his units from. And waited for PDD/seige mode.
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what is with moron terrans moving in before siege mode?
wtf is the point of making siege tanks if you dont wait for siege mode?
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Sloppy, sloppy all-in from Rain. Nice defence from Axslav
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On September 16 2011 10:46 KimJongChill wrote:
Wow, that was really underwhelming. I thought 1/1/1 style is supposed to be really strong??
Did you realize he had no siege mode? lol
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On September 16 2011 10:45 garlicface wrote:
Practising with Puma is pretty helpful, eh?
I'm sure it is but it's also pretty helpful that Rain completely botched that attack. No siege mode, no PDD
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Those tank shields man.... oh gretorp. Nice win axslav!
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Rain....siege mode...wait for it >.>. Its kinda the most critical part of your build >.<
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On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes.
after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply.
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On September 16 2011 10:46 Chylo wrote:
Could gretorp sound any less excited about axslav crushing that and rain gging?
hes not in fanatic anymore and has been the whole time rain has been in fanatic
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Stayed up for a cpl of hours to watch this, dont want to be a crybaby but im really disappointed,
Will give it one more try day 3 i guess. Well enjoy the game guys !
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On September 16 2011 10:46 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:45 Adreme wrote:
Huh, Axlav is right he doenst have any problem holding off a 1/1/1. When it's executed that badly any pro toss should hold.
Its not like Axlav didnt give away any free units of his own before the attack. Its just by rule the loser is always the one whos mistakes are given greater credance.
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On September 16 2011 10:46 KimJongChill wrote:
Wow, that was really underwhelming. I thought 1/1/1 style is supposed to be really strong??
Ya... Rain got around 8 less marines, late siege, and 1 less banshee...because he supply blocked himself and forgot an reactor...lol. Pathetic play by Rain. Absolutely pathetic.
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Lol - that was pretty hilarious man; Either rain made a huge mistake or just got arrogant lol
I'd like to see Axslav verse Rain in a macro game
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Man. Pretty unbelievable.
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On September 16 2011 10:46 KimJongChill wrote:
Wow, that was really underwhelming. I thought 1/1/1 style is supposed to be really strong??
It is, Rain just executed that terribly. Supply blocked before the push. PPD was 5energy short. Siege not finished.
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On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply.
Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..."
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On September 16 2011 10:47 Whiteman103 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:46 Chylo wrote:
Could gretorp sound any less excited about axslav crushing that and rain gging? hes not in fanatic anymore and has been the whole time rain has been in fanatic
How is that relevant at all? Caster should sound excited if the moment calls for it.
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On September 16 2011 10:48 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:46 KimJongChill wrote:
Wow, that was really underwhelming. I thought 1/1/1 style is supposed to be really strong?? It is, Rain just executed that terribly. PPD was 5energy short. Siege not finished.
Lol, okay haha yeah they are talking about that now, wasn't paying too much attention @_@
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Lol supply blocking yourself for 30 seconds is worse than not having PDD when there's pretty much no stalkers anyway and even worse than no siege mode. That was like 3 tanks, 12 marines and a banshee. And he just sat in a choke to get forcefielded.
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I love how Orb has the easel with the painting set up right behind him, clearly visible. Brilliant
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I'm not exactly sure that Rain would have 100% won if he had engaged a few seconds later... it felt like Axslav had a lot of stuff left over anyway which seige mode would not have killed anyway. It would have been much closer but I don't know that Rain would have won.
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I still like GORB better, it sounds like some kind of infomercial product.
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Talking as if NASL has a long, rich history of "beautiful maps"
LOL
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Not a huge fan of these recommended games polls... what if there is one great game and one good one? what if 2 games are bad and one is mediocre? I'm not going to get to watch all of these live, it'd be nice to have the normal one-poll-per-game thing.
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On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..."
If you're referring to me I think the EGMC games were a good learning material to play against this push
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On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..."
Well to be fair, Huk did hold a well executed 1-1-1 last night, but it was by significantly out-controlling his opponent, Thorzian, and it was quite the uphill battle.
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On September 16 2011 10:52 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..." Well to be fair, Huk did hold a well executed 1-1-1 last night, but it was by significantly out-controlling his opponent, Thorzian, and it was quite the uphill battle.
Top 3 Control
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I think Rain is starting to slip in his skills by being away from korea, 1/1/1 shouldn't be that hard to execute for someone his level. How does a pro korean get supply blocked, taking a 3rd of his army out of his push, then attack before siege mode and PDD finished? Poor rain....go back to korea.
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United States7483 Posts
Axslav is dead on this map, it's the most anti-protoss map ever.
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That's one of the most painful things to ever happen.
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Simcity failure... really unfortunate
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I am literally laughing out loud IRL at axslavs sentry.
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111 into proxyrax ... bah
e./ AXSLAV IS STILL ALIVE?! HOW!?
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was that an incontrol rally I saw there?
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Oh no. Such great pressure there by Rain. This doesn't look good for Axslav.
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That sentry........champion among casters.
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On September 16 2011 10:54 InvalidID wrote:
I am literally laughing out loud IRL at axslavs sentry.
yeah i did too
this series full of fails so far
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This is the Rain from GSL that i remember.
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I wish Rain wasn't so cheesy. I'm a fan, but not when he plays like this.
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The observing is terrible :o Observing with arrow keys ?
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You See guys!
Axlav can hold the 111 easily hahahaha.
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On September 16 2011 10:51 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..." If you're referring to me I think the EGMC games were a good learning material to play against this push
Goddamnit Mr. Con!!! Of course not you. Jesus christ - those games you referred to were legit holds. I'm talking about the trolls who post will the sole purpose to irritate other players.
Making me feel bad man T_T....
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5 bio units are scary as shit for protoss lol
Glad my zerglings are better against them
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What is with Rain getting supply blocked at 43?
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Command centres built by rain so far this series: 0
The old Rain is back! :p
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On September 16 2011 10:58 Heavenly wrote:
What is with Rain getting supply blocked at 43?
and then again at 51
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rain will kill him with the next push, calling it now =_= marauder medivac against gateways
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...what the heck is Axslav hoping to accomplish by clearing the watchtower?
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Raaaaaain by raiiiiiiiiiiiiiin
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WELP.
3 Gates against 4 Rax and a Starport.
EDIT: and 15 SCVs
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so many donation stalkers this game -.-
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United States7483 Posts
I present to you:
Fnatic.Onebase
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gretorp just gave out the most awkward explanation of "hp dps w/e"
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Uhoh, marauders with medivacs just don't die unless you have AoE/Charge.
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On September 16 2011 10:58 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:51 MrCon wrote:On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..." If you're referring to me I think the EGMC games were a good learning material to play against this push Goddamnit Mr. Con!!! Of course not you. Jesus christ - those games you referred to were legit holds. I'm talking about the trolls who post will the sole purpose to irritate other players. Making me feel bad man T_T....
Haha don't =)
Because this morning after watching the vods of Mouz vs EG I posted in the 111 thread (or the balance thread ?) that people should watch those games for some good holds, so I thought perhaps you were talking about that (I'm too optimistic sometimes so I could have overrated those holds )
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Wow. I dislike rain's play with a passion.
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If at first you fail, all in again.
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Well, that was kinda shitty.
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going back to his all in ways
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Blah, Rain's play is cute and all, but it would be nice to see him not one-base again.
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On September 16 2011 11:00 Whitewing wrote:
I present to you:
Fnatic.Onebase
I got no problem with someone being cheesy as long as he's actually good.
And Rain, w/e you think of him, actually has talent.
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Yo rain why y u no CC?
rain: Bitch..please.
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T_T
I feel so bad for Axslav. Rain, I want to be your fan, but build command centers!
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On September 16 2011 10:52 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..." Well to be fair, Huk did hold a well executed 1-1-1 last night, but it was by significantly out-controlling his opponent, Thorzian, and it was quite the uphill battle.
I agree, it was a great hold. The fact that Thorzain's all-in was so sustainable (as in it seemed to go on forever) it what makes me roll my eyes at the 1-1-1.
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On September 16 2011 11:00 Froadac wrote:
Wow. I dislike rain's play with a passion.
To say the least... =/
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3 all ins in a row >.< But why was axslav not able to support more then 3 gates on 2 bases?!
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On September 16 2011 11:01 Condor Hero wrote:I got no problem with someone being cheesy as long as he's actually good. And Rain, w/e you think of him, actually has talent.
Being cheesy every once in a while is a good thing, doing it 2/3 games in a series is kinda lame.
Unless you are Actionjesus.
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On September 16 2011 11:01 Condor Hero wrote:I got no problem with someone being cheesy as long as he's actually good. And Rain, w/e you think of him, actually has talent.
Hey, if it wins you games.. why not? At the end of the day, that's really all that matters..
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On September 16 2011 10:59 -y0shi- wrote:
rain will kill him with the next push, calling it now =_= marauder medivac against gateways
Well to be fair, Axslav has lost sooo many units necessarily, at least 14 supply worth. This game would be completely different if he had some better decision making. A better player like HuK, Naniwa, etc would have won that pretty easily :|
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He was supply blocked at 43 for almost 2 minutes it looked like. And I think he supply dropped when he realized it lol.
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On September 16 2011 11:00 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:58 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:51 MrCon wrote:On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..." If you're referring to me I think the EGMC games were a good learning material to play against this push Goddamnit Mr. Con!!! Of course not you. Jesus christ - those games you referred to were legit holds. I'm talking about the trolls who post will the sole purpose to irritate other players. Making me feel bad man T_T.... Haha don't =) Because this morning after watching the vods of Mouz vs EG I posted in the 111 thread (or the balance thread ?) that people should watch those games for some good holds, so I thought perhaps you were talking about that (I'm too optimistic sometimes so I could have overrated those holds )
Hahah I think it was the balance thread. I remember your post, it made me watch those games and I think they are a good example fo a good hold IMO. But I might be overrating that too
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On September 16 2011 11:02 -y0shi- wrote:
3 all ins in a row >.< But why was axslav not able to support more then 3 gates on 2 bases?!
He had 5 gates at the end, but the medivacs were too strong at the end.
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Lol Gretorp looks so impatient during Orbs long analysis
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On September 16 2011 11:01 Alpino wrote:
Yo rain why y u no CC?
rain: Bitch..please.
This made me giggle.
Giggle like a girl. Thank you good sir/madam.
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On September 16 2011 11:02 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:59 -y0shi- wrote:
rain will kill him with the next push, calling it now =_= marauder medivac against gateways Well to be fair, Axslav has lost sooo many units necessarily, at least 14 supply worth. This game would be completely different if he had some better decision making. A better player like HuK, Naniwa, etc would have won that pretty easily :|
That's like saying "if rain was MVP he'd be able to 2-0 this scrub".
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I don't understand why Axlav moved out to the watchtower..... lost like 4 units for nothing.
What was his thought process exactly there? Lose tons of early units -> expand -> scout no expo (and yes he did scout it despite the misinformation from the casters) -> lets move out!
Might have been able to hold better if he hadn't lost those units.
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Raine really has been playing horrifically. Axslav I don't think is very good so I'm not surprised by that, but Raine was actually decent at one point.
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On September 16 2011 11:03 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:02 -y0shi- wrote:
3 all ins in a row >.< But why was axslav not able to support more then 3 gates on 2 bases?! He had 5 gates at the end, but the medivacs were too strong at the end.
Not only that, but the pressure Rain was doing.. half the time he had to pull his expansion probes which delayed loads of mining time.
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Ummm. Orb is talking about him having a probe at the natural... But axslav did, if you watch the vod closely you will see a little red dot near the nat that was periodically checking.
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On September 16 2011 11:03 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:02 -y0shi- wrote:
3 all ins in a row >.< But why was axslav not able to support more then 3 gates on 2 bases?! He had 5 gates at the end, but the medivacs were too strong at the end.
Also he lost so many probes throughout the game that his additional production was well delayed.
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On September 16 2011 11:02 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:59 -y0shi- wrote:
rain will kill him with the next push, calling it now =_= marauder medivac against gateways Well to be fair, Axslav has lost sooo many units necessarily, at least 14 supply worth. This game would be completely different if he had some better decision making. A better player like HuK, Naniwa, etc would have won that pretty easily :|
Probably, but I dont even understand how he could survive the first push. I think the problem were that he tried to ff off the scvs but since they just ran around the zealots didnt target them and just got killed. Not sure if it wouldve made a difference though
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On September 16 2011 11:00 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 10:58 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:51 MrCon wrote:On September 16 2011 10:48 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 10:47 Heavenly wrote:On September 16 2011 10:46 FuzzyJAM wrote:
1-1-1 solved: Hope your opponent attacks with 95 Raven energy and 10 seconds before Siege Mode finishes. after a good 30 second supply block with 43 supply. Lmfao... the thing is.... Tomorrow someone will cite this game and say "Dude did you guys see last night's game??? 1-1-1 is starting to be held now! See Axslav vs. Rain game 1!! I told you guys it was just a metagame thing..." If you're referring to me I think the EGMC games were a good learning material to play against this push Goddamnit Mr. Con!!! Of course not you. Jesus christ - those games you referred to were legit holds. I'm talking about the trolls who post will the sole purpose to irritate other players. Making me feel bad man T_T.... Haha don't =) Because this morning after watching the vods of Mouz vs EG I posted in the 111 thread (or the balance thread ?) that people should watch those games for some good holds, so I thought perhaps you were talking about that (I'm too optimistic sometimes so I could have overrated those holds )
Ahh nono. Those were great holds. I agree that those were good games to learn from. Then again, I don't think it should be as ridiculously hard to hold as Huk made it look... he looked dead more than once, but that's a story for a different thread! ^^
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1Rax fast expand into Ghost timing push this game?
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Casters keep saying that Axlav didn't know Rain didn't expand, except he had a probe there the WHOLE GAME.
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On September 16 2011 11:03 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:02 Dommk wrote:On September 16 2011 10:59 -y0shi- wrote:
rain will kill him with the next push, calling it now =_= marauder medivac against gateways Well to be fair, Axslav has lost sooo many units necessarily, at least 14 supply worth. This game would be completely different if he had some better decision making. A better player like HuK, Naniwa, etc would have won that pretty easily :| That's like saying "if rain was MVP he'd be able to 2-0 this scrub".
I'm just saying that Axslav made a lot of mistakes that shouldn't have been made. His opening build was also confusing too, he stayed on one gate for soo long. If he had a cleaner opening build he could have had the gateways/warpgate-tech up much sooner and defended easier
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On September 16 2011 11:05 eNtitY~ wrote:
Orb is damn good caster.
Yeah, I like this Gretorb combo. With all due respect, I like these 2 better than when Gretorp was with iNcontroL in Season 1 and 2.
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On September 16 2011 11:05 eNtitY~ wrote:
Orb is damn good caster.
I'm telling you man, Orb is the shit.
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Not enough inappropriate jokes!!!!
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On September 16 2011 11:05 eNtitY~ wrote:
Orb is damn good caster.
He is actually REALLY legit, I'm surprised I havn't seen him anywhere else!
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If he 1-1-1 I lose all respect.
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Gretorp and Orb have been friends for a long time. Probably why they have a good chemistry. I still remember the old days when Gretorp used to go to Orbs and smoke weed and they stream themselves playing. Lmao.
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On September 16 2011 11:07 ffadicted wrote:He is actually REALLY legit, I'm surprised I havn't seen him anywhere else!
Watch some Korean Weekly, son. Orb is the shit.
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the gas is so early, thats some cloak stuff, isnt it?
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On September 16 2011 11:05 eNtitY~ wrote:
Orb is damn good caster.
Yeah. His 6 hours sessions of casting the Korean Weekly are good training ^^
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On September 16 2011 11:07 Froadac wrote:
If he 1-1-1 I lose all respect.
Don't look now. Turn away. TURN AWAY!
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ONE BASE ONE BASE GOTTA GET WINS WITH ONE BASE
Oh boy here we go.
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On September 16 2011 11:08 Dfgj wrote:
ONE BASE ONE BASE GOTTA GET WINS WITH ONE BASE
Oh boy here we go.
Is that supposed to be to the tune of friday?
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Rain is probably the better player, there's no reason for him to keep doing 1 base all ins <_>
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On September 16 2011 11:08 Dfgj wrote:
ONE BASE ONE BASE GOTTA GET WINS WITH ONE BASE
Oh boy here we go.
ITS ALMOST FRIDAY TIME TO STAY ON ONE BASE YEAH
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On September 16 2011 11:08 Dfgj wrote:
ONE BASE ONE BASE GOTTA GET WINS WITH ONE BASE
Oh boy here we go.
lol well we all know tarran is BY FAR best 1 best race
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On September 16 2011 11:05 eNtitY~ wrote:
Orb is damn good caster.
Had to quote this; he is astoundingly good - great game knowledge and really understands what is going on.
Rain is really good at 1 base play :p
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i love you NASL<3333
thank you for keeping me entertained when im tired after college classes lol 
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Lol....Another 1 base...
PvT is so garbage these days. It has developed back to GSL open Season 1 where the Terran does nothing but 1base and the Protoss getting desperate and going a Voidray all-in hoping the Terran did 1-1-1
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On September 16 2011 11:09 Juvant wrote:
Rain is probably the better player, there's no reason for him to keep doing 1 base all ins <_>
This has always been Rain's problem, he's not bad, but he prefers to win with cheese.
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Rain being reallly greedy with those banshees, almost lost 1
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oh man just starting seige. axslav should hold.
edit: not if he does that lol
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Hope Ax gets him to siege far away from his nat.
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... It's twelve months ago! My time machine works!
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Ohhh Rain... how you make my blood boil... 
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BITTTTTTTTTTT BYYYYY BITTTTTTTTT
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If Rain attacks too early again, I swear to god he's out of my signature.
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2 Banshees, gotta get stalkers, die to pdd because you cant kill banshees anyway ...
bah
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On September 16 2011 11:06 QTIP. wrote:I'm telling you man, Orb is the shit.
You don't have to tell me, I've known it since beta. That's why I bought him a drink at MLG Raleigh. 
Had dinner with him, Gretorp and Vile.
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does Rain even know how to 1-1-1?
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did he attack 3 seconds before thermal lance finished?
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Axslav should've waited on that last colossi which was 90% finished when he engaged.. he also could have gotten another round of units..
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On September 16 2011 11:12 eNtitY~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:06 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 11:05 eNtitY~ wrote:
Orb is damn good caster. I'm telling you man, Orb is the shit. You don't have to tell me, I've known it since beta. That's why I bought him a drink at MLG Raleigh. Had dinner with him, Gretorp and Vile.
T_T. I stand awesome-ed.
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Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol
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Aaaah, the proper 111 takes another victim. Gratz rain, even though I'm not a fan of 1 basing 3 straight games. REally good job by axlav as well.
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That was a pretty poor 111 actually, but the response was even worse-_-
attacking before 2nd colo and thermal lance was mere seconds away from completion;
colo hitting bunkers and not rines-_-
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Sigh.
Almost had that
Rain. I started to think you were a good standard mechanically based player.
My bad.
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Is this GSL season 1 again?
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I'd be mighty pissed off after that series if I was Axslav
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On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol
Yeah.... if he can't hold Rain's 1-1-1... PuMa must be taking it easy on him.
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wow. rain is really becoming a one trick pony.....having a hard time remember the last time i seen him take it to the late game
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On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol
Just wanted to note that I think Idra said that Axslav knows how to defeat 1-1-1 easily
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its disgusting how a 1-1-1 not horribly executed can make protoss look so pathetic
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Really really disappointing. I would have liked to see something other than one-base play.
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CC are for weaklings. Liquibets are going good
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On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol
Idra said that Axslav said so, though I'm almost sure he was trolling.
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Sigh. Rain is a better player than Axlav. Sad that he feels the need to cheese.
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On September 16 2011 11:14 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol Idra said that Axslav said so, though I'm almost sure he was trolling.
Everything was great except for the terrible attack timing.
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That 111 was pretty smoothly executed wasnt it?
But that means lance shouldnt have been done?
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Rain needs to change it up a little bit, because when someone does find out a way to beat the 1-1-1 he is going to have a hard time.
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On September 16 2011 11:14 QTIP. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol Yeah.... if he can't hold Rain's 1-1-1... PuMa must be taking it easy on him.
Axslav did not control that well at all, and neither did Rain. To hold off the 1/1/1, you need to outmicro the terran. He didn't.
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I didn't notice, did Rain use PDD?
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On September 16 2011 11:14 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol Just wanted to note that I think Idra said that Axslav knows how to defeat 1-1-1 easily
Yeah, it was like "Axslav holds 1-1-1s all the time and says it's really easy to beat.".
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Why would you attack just before colossus range finishes?
Tanks were sieged far away from his nat, he still had time to stall.
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On September 16 2011 11:13 Deshkar wrote:
That was a pretty poor 111 actually, but the response was even worse-_-
attacking before 2nd colo and thermal lance was mere seconds away from completion;
colo hitting bunkers and not rines-_-
This. So many mistakes by both players in every game.
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Axslav's build seemed a pretty decent response, he just engaged badly by not waiting for thermal lance
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On September 16 2011 11:15 -y0shi- wrote:
That 111 was pretty smoothly executed wasnt it?
But that means lance shouldnt have been done?
No he was supply blocked for a long time ><. He should have had much more marines.
Rain's been supply blocked in every of those three games somehow.
And Axlav should have waited for range.
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On September 16 2011 11:15 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:14 QTIP. wrote:On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol Yeah.... if he can't hold Rain's 1-1-1... PuMa must be taking it easy on him. Axslav did not control that well at all, and neither did Rain. To hold off the 1/1/1, you need to outmicro the terran. He didn't.
Couldn't agree with you more.
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I can see why Axslav is confident against the 1/1/1. He responds correctly with a fast nexus, gets a good unit comp. Any crappier 1/1/1 attempts will get crushed by his defense/ But of course, a even slightly okay 1/1/1 still kills him...because it is the 1/1/1.
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On September 16 2011 11:15 Kieofire wrote:
Rain needs to change it up a little bit, because when someone does find out a way to beat the 1-1-1 he is going to have a hard time.
Yeah, just like he had a hard time staying in code s when people worked out the 2 rax.
Wait, what?
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To be fair to Rain, I would not judge him on whether he is 'just a cheeser' on this match up.
As far as I am concerned, there is just about no reason to not 1/1/1 on maps that are good for it in TvP. At least there is no reason not to do it until you meet a player that holds them off legitimately.
And Axslav, I had faith after the first game. Of course, the first game was the biggest anti-timing attack so far of NASL S2, but oh well.
And Orb, I am sorry about my premature comment about missing Lz earlier. You are awesome. Not that I do not miss Lz, but it has nothing to do with Orb's casting at this point.
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im not even sure what to make out of that mess >.<
I think axslav was just feelikng like he had it and just attacked 1 second too early :/
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Australia8532 Posts
You can see that Axslav knows how to beat the 1/1/1 he definitely responded appropriately he just unfortunately made a poor decision to engage and microed terribly. It's a knife edge encounter - it just seems Axslav played it worse than Rain (supply blocked?)
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I think orb was in serious pain watching that xD
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On September 16 2011 11:15 Kieofire wrote:
Rain needs to change it up a little bit, because when someone does find out a way to beat the 1-1-1 he is going to have a hard time.
Not really... against top players, definitely... but it's not like all Rain can do is cheese. He has good late-game play as well, he just cheeses a lot. I think if he was consistently losing whenever he tried all-in plays, he'd change it up and still do pretty well.
definitely needs to work on his depot timing though.
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Digging orb casting NASL~
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Wait rocks at Metalopolis gold? what?
edit: and Terminus has rocks at the 3rd?
whyyyyy
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On September 16 2011 11:18 -y0shi- wrote:
im not even sure what to make out of that mess >.<
I think axslav was just feelikng like he had it and just attacked 1 second too early :/
I don't think it would have mattered. You need 2 base income to hold that build and to hold that first attack he would have lost all probes at his natural. the 2nd attack would come and he wouldn't have the units to hold a second push if he was able to break the first one, which is questionable.
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On September 16 2011 11:19 bkrow wrote:
You can see that Axslav knows how to beat the 1/1/1 he definitely responded appropriately he just unfortunately made a poor decision to engage and microed terribly. It's a knife edge encounter - it just seems Axslav played it worse than Rain (supply blocked?)
I think their mistakes were kinda even. A proper 111 attacks so that you cant get thermal lance out and in that case the result wouldve been the same
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nooo haypro
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that was a really bad defense
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On September 16 2011 11:19 bkrow wrote:
You can see that Axslav knows how to beat the 1/1/1 he definitely responded appropriately he just unfortunately made a poor decision to engage and microed terribly. It's a knife edge encounter - it just seems Axslav played it worse than Rain (supply blocked?)
Fast Colossus is good against 3-1-1, but not 1-1-1
1-1-1 auto wins if you go Colossus because it hits soo fast
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How does Haypro keep on getting invited to these tournaments?
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thats almost 111 like, how do zergs hold this?
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Haypro with exactly the same mistake as vs Thorjain : he stall the pushes, while losing units left and right and not reinforcing at all (so no point in stalling), then randomly attack with less forces than he had at the beginning of the push.
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On September 16 2011 11:29 -y0shi- wrote:
thats almost 111 like, how do zergs hold this?
They don't A-Move into armies. That defense was pretty weak to be honest.
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I'm slightly suprised that NASL is getting so many more viewers than IPL.
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He kept his stuff on hold position for too long, took too many tank shells doing that. He just seemed way too passive in his defensive position at his third, didn't make any banelings during that time. I really don't know what he was doing or trying to do during that siege by bratok.
Easy win by bratok imo.
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Haypro got kind of outmacroed there. I know he was saving for Mutas, but BratOK had more food when most of Haypro's army was Roaches. That's not a good situation to be in.
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On September 16 2011 11:29 -y0shi- wrote:
thats almost 111 like, how do zergs hold this?
flank. make banelings. dont lose stuff b/c its on hold position.
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On September 16 2011 11:29 zyzq wrote:
How does Haypro keep on getting invited to these tournaments?
Probably because he's on Liquid.
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On September 16 2011 11:29 -y0shi- wrote:
thats almost 111 like, how do zergs hold this?
scout. zerg can hold any terran push easily, as long as they can scout it. it's a different situation for protoss. even if protoss scouts 1/1/1, its extremely hard for them to hold it.
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Haypro seems so lost, he keeps building really silly tech when he is about to get attacked, he went for roach baneling to hold that exact push off and then he throws down a spire and saves up 900/900 and loses before mutas can get out
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On September 16 2011 11:29 zyzq wrote:
How does Haypro keep on getting invited to these tournaments?
Yeah that will forever by a mystery to me.
He gets invited to basically everything while just being another average GM zerg.
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On September 16 2011 11:30 Techno wrote:
I'm slightly suprised that NASL is getting so many more viewers than IPL.
Orb and Gretorp are doing a good job!
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Haypro is so outclassed. Seriously wtf is with the roaches. That's possibly the worst unit to make against terran (sans hydra).
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On September 16 2011 11:30 Techno wrote:
I'm slightly suprised that NASL is getting so many more viewers than IPL.
Well it's just the qualifiers for IPL, not really the main tournament so that may be it.
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On September 16 2011 11:31 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:29 zyzq wrote:
How does Haypro keep on getting invited to these tournaments? Yeah that will forever by a mystery to me. He gets invited to basically everything while just being another average GM zerg.
You can't deny he's got some special strategies though...hold position roaches in range of marines.
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Wow, really like orbs casting!
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On September 16 2011 11:13 TheHova wrote:
Didn't Axslav say he always wins against 1-1-1? lol
LOL
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On September 16 2011 11:31 Lomak wrote:
Haypro is so outclassed. Seriously wtf is with the roaches. That's possibly the worst unit to make against terran (sans hydra).
Roaches are fine, pretty much every top zerg has used the exact build haypro just used; he just horribly failed with his unit positioning and decision making.
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at least haypro is always a safe bet
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Thanks for the explanation, I just always cringe when I see tank pushs xD
IPL isnt a rebroadcast anymore? See you in the other thread
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On September 16 2011 11:30 Techno wrote:
I'm slightly suprised that NASL is getting so many more viewers than IPL.
gotta make use of that free HD you know
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Almost every time I see a Tank/Marine push heading towards Haypro, he loses some units before even engaging, and then he tries to take it head on with a very poor unit comp. I don't play Zerg, but having seen 1000s of SC games tells me that's not the way to do it =/
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Something's wrong if Haypro manages to lose on this map
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Well, this map is pretty heavily zerg favored so he's got a good shot at this game.
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On September 16 2011 11:30 Techno wrote:
I'm slightly suprised that NASL is getting so many more viewers than IPL.
Rather listen to Orb than Painuser and HD almost 100% of the time. Also IPL is in qualifier mode and this is the actual season of NASL.
Lets go Hayder~~~
I met him at Anaheim, so nice! he needs to show his true skill soon D:
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so greedy. 15 hatch 17 gas then pool
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Hopefully Haypro has a shot on this map... -_- come on haypro!!
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On September 16 2011 11:30 Techno wrote:
I'm slightly suprised that NASL is getting so many more viewers than IPL.
I think there are a few reasons for this;
i. Game outcomes are not known. The results from the current IPL 3 Qualifier games are known to everyone who wants to know and everyone who follows any of the participants. The results of the NASL games would only be known to dataminers or those who listen to dataminers.
ii. NASL has a bigger name. I think this has a lot to do with NASL has had a LAN and that, even if there were a gaggle of issues with the LAN, it produced some of the best games we have seen I would say so far in SC2 altogether.
iii. IPL 3 Qualifiers are just that; qualifiers. That definitely would hurt my immediate interest. And while I normally do watch IPL, I would not pick those over NASL.
iv. Hype. NASL is currently third on the Team Liquid Featured News.
v. Freshness. IPL is casting each and every day. NASL is on its first week, and while not everyone is dispositioned all too well towards NASL, the finals of S1 brought a lot of goodwill and a lot of people are/were looking forward to S2 just for the spectacle at the end.
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Seriously Haypro, spread your OLs around your base for vision, at least have one on that cliff to spot for drops that keep coming from the exact same place unscouted >.>
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haha
"76 harvesters he'll be good for the whole game"
*haypro makes 20 more drones*
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HayprO playing real solid in game 2. I hope he doesn't throw this game away.
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That lair that barely survived should have won it for Haypro.
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Drone WHORES!!!!!
come on.... you wanted to say it!!
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Haypro's lategame always worries me. I don't know if he'll win or he'll make one mistake and lose it all.
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first time taking a look at nasl season 2 stream, it looks like there got a lot of improvement into it. stream looks crisp, soundproblems nonexistent, good experience so far.
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If haypro manages to lose this...
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United States7483 Posts
Haypro needs to counter attack >_<.
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It would be strange if Haypro win a game ...
I don't know why people keep saying he is a very good player.
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Sick flank with nice fungals by haypro there.
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Good flank but unnecesarry suicides of those broodlords/mutas,
He seems to have really big problem with late game engagements. But he is well ahead it shouldn't matter.
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haypro, y no infestor control?!?!?!?!?
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Oof, all those infestors....
Could have dropped a pile of Infested terrans
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One of the best ZvTs I've seen in a while. Wow!
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On September 16 2011 11:50 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
Haypro's lategame always worries me. I don't know if he'll win or he'll make one mistake and lose it all.
Like, leaving his infestors undefended at the opponents front?
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Sums up haypro, you watch him for a bit and he looks good then he makes some really bad mistakes and might even lose because of it.
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mind control!!!!
Edit: neural parasite
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How does Haypro look weak when up 90 supply?
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On September 16 2011 11:55 ClysmiC wrote:
One of the best ZvTs I've seen in a while. Wow!
Is this a joke ? Haypro is making mistakes after mistakes...
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United States7483 Posts
Brat_ok outplayed Haypro that game, but the map favors zerg so heavily.
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Jesus chris Haypro, stop scaring me.
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anyone else having trouble with the Ad's now showing an the stream just stopping because of this?
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Lol.... well.. at least he go the W. o.o
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Nice game there by Haypro!
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I hate watching haypro's play this game. you can't simply just macro, and then have shit unit control the entire game. Its so fucking painful to watch. You have no fucking idea. Everytime I saw him sack SOOOOOOOO many gas heavy units I wanted to stab myself.
You have to control your army just as well as you macro. That game really shouldn't of gone that long.
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Haypro has VERY solid macro and mechanics, but his multitasking was pretty bad.
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Northern Ireland25727 Posts
Mistakes make for good to watch games, there's that element of certainty.
When you have two players at the very top of their powers it can also make for sick games though, but if both players play without mistakes it would be pretty boring for the neutral
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On September 16 2011 11:57 SkullZ9 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:55 ClysmiC wrote:
One of the best ZvTs I've seen in a while. Wow! Is this a joke ? Haypro is making mistakes after mistakes...
Totally agree. It was such a sloppy play and I wanted to bang my head.
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On September 16 2011 11:55 ClysmiC wrote:
One of the best ZvTs I've seen in a while. Wow! I hope you're joking, this game was on of the worst high level ZvT's, both of these players are capable of playing so much better but they both made a huge amount of mistakes. It was an entertaining game, but giving it the titles as one of the best isn't just
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On September 16 2011 11:58 ODieN wrote:
Nice game there by Haypro!
Seriously ? One guy make a Nice Game, and it's Brat_OK.
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On September 16 2011 11:57 Primadog wrote:
Jesus chris Haypro, stop scaring me.
Lol I know right. After that Infestor flub I was thinking "are you serious right now?..."
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On September 16 2011 11:57 Whitewing wrote:
Brat_ok outplayed Haypro that game, but the map favors zerg so heavily.
Nah, Brat_ok got unlucky on that lair not dying. He also invested too much into drop, and didn't do enough dmg (not killing the lair).
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Feels like Bratok not killing that Lair was a turning point. Wasted a lot of resources for nothing. Haypro being super sloppy in the late game, but still winning.
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This was like Haypro vs Thorzain. Except Thorzain made ghosts and won the game.
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On September 16 2011 11:57 Whitewing wrote:
Brat_ok outplayed Haypro that game, but the map favors zerg so heavily.
Brat_ok made terrible mistakes as well
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On September 16 2011 11:58 wei2coolman wrote:
I hate watching haypro's play this game. you can't simply just macro, and then have shit unit control the entire game. Its so fucking painful to watch. You have no fucking idea. Everytime I saw him sack SOOOOOOOO many gas heavy units I wanted to stab myself.
You have to control your army just as well as you macro. That game really shouldn't of gone that long.
I wonder it's an influence from Artosis. According to him SC2 is all about macro and a-move. The better you're at that, the more skilled player you are. XD
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I smell the start of an amazing Gretorp blooper reel.
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On September 16 2011 11:58 Ubertron wrote:
Mistakes make for good to watch games, there's that element of certainty.
When you have two players at the very top of their powers it can also make for sick games though, but if both players play without mistakes it would be pretty boring for the neutral
Well there are forced errors and unforced errors..
The best players force the opponent to make mistakes. Like MVP did against TOP with the nuke drop. MVP forced TOP to be out of position and left his productions undefended.
That haypro-bratok game was like watching tennis with both players keep hitting the ball into the net the whole game.
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I really liked Orb tonight, pretty impressive. I thought he had some really insightful commentary both during and after the game. I am usually really hard to please when it comes to casting/commentary.
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On September 16 2011 11:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:57 Whitewing wrote:
Brat_ok outplayed Haypro that game, but the map favors zerg so heavily. Nah, Brat_ok got unlucky on that lair not dying. He also invested too much into drop, and didn't do enough dmg (not killing the lair).
This and the map that is great for zerg.
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i love how orb has a painting on an easel in the background.
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On September 16 2011 12:01 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 11:59 wei2coolman wrote:On September 16 2011 11:57 Whitewing wrote:
Brat_ok outplayed Haypro that game, but the map favors zerg so heavily. Nah, Brat_ok got unlucky on that lair not dying. He also invested too much into drop, and didn't do enough dmg (not killing the lair). This and the map that is great for zerg.
Map may be great for zerg, but a great player doesn't lose because of something as silly as map choice.
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Am I hearing this correctly? NASL's Shattered Temple only allows cross positions?
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On September 16 2011 11:59 Flonomenalz wrote:
Why Brat no make Ghost?
If you are being more aggressive ghosts are a bit harder to get. A turtling terran trying to split the map with ghosts is like, so untouchable, but if you are pushing a lot trading armies, you will lose the tank count you need if you go ghosts. Personally I think the turtle style is vastly superior but whatever.
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On September 16 2011 12:03 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Am I hearing this correctly? NASL's Shattered Temple only allows cross positions?
thats what they just said!!
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why would you not focus on the bunker
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Oh my. This game is kinda over ...
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On September 16 2011 11:57 FlyingSheeps wrote:
anyone else having trouble with the Ad's now showing an the stream just stopping because of this?
Same problem here, try another browser.
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On September 16 2011 12:03 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Am I hearing this correctly? NASL's Shattered Temple only allows cross positions?
from liquipedia:
Map Pool
Antiga Shipyard (Cross positions enforced)
Bel'Shir Beach
Crevasse
Dual Sight
Metalopolis (Cross positions enforced, rocks at gold)
Shattered Temple (Cross positions enforced)
Tal'Darim Altar LE (Rocks at 3rd)
Terminus SE (Rocks at 3rd and on the path to 3rd)
Xel'Naga Caverns
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Agghhghgh. What a blunder there by Haypro.
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Haypro has some of the worst reactions I've seen from a progamer
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This is so bad. I am closing the stream.
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hasn't haypro been in korea forever? why is he playing so terribly??
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NICE HOLD
I was sure the game was over when I saw the hellions
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On September 16 2011 12:09 -y0shi- wrote:
NICE HOLD
I was sure the game was over when I saw the hellions
Itll be over soon enough.
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On September 16 2011 12:07 openbox1 wrote:
hasn't haypro been in korea forever? why is he playing so terribly??
No, he moved into the Swedish progaming house after dropping out of Code A.
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The one thing that makes bunkers so powerful in Starcraft II, is not that the bunker can finish and end games, but that you can literally 'bunker' the marines you have by simply placing the damn thing in weird spots.
Haypro sure loves to make drones, though, so I'm sure he wasn't fretting too much.
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Lol i don't watch the games, and I constantly hear "OMG What a big blunder from Haypro" lol
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I love Haypro, and I want him to succeed, but he keeps throwing the game away every single time I watch him with all of these just silly mistakes
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haypro is the anti-idra for gg timing
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On September 16 2011 12:12 Shaetan wrote:
haypro is the anti-idra for gg timing
I believe that's called a Fantasy GG timing
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On September 16 2011 12:11 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol i don't watch the games, and I constantly hear "OMG What a big blunder from Haypro" lol
I really ought to watch the vods of these games and see how many times "What a big blunder from Haypro!" is uttered by our casters.
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On September 16 2011 12:12 StaplerPhone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:12 Shaetan wrote:
haypro is the anti-idra for gg timing I believe that's called a Fantasy GG timing
It's called a SlayerSBoxer.
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I honestly have never seen Haypro perform well in a high-pressure situation (i.e. an important tournament). Have I missed his good games?
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On September 16 2011 12:13 zyzq wrote:
no comment on that game
lol... it was quite painful to watch x_x
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Orb is an excellent caster. Hope he'll get even more exposure and casting gigs. Always loved watching him cast.
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On September 16 2011 12:12 StaplerPhone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:12 Shaetan wrote:
haypro is the anti-idra for gg timing I believe that's called a Fantasy GG timing
Nah, that's Boxer. Both in SC1 and SC2, Boxer doesn't leave until he has like 10 supply in idle SCV's and random Marines
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On September 16 2011 12:14 Doodsmack wrote:
I honestly have never seen Haypro perform well in a high-pressure situation (i.e. an important tournament). Have I missed his good games?
well....he beat tyler when tyler went for 30 phoenix and 3 base with no army...in a MLG...does that count?
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On September 16 2011 12:14 Doodsmack wrote:
I honestly have never seen Haypro perform well in a high-pressure situation (i.e. an important tournament). Have I missed his good games?
Don't think so. I don't undersand why is always in big tournament..
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"nice job brat" - Haypro
From anyone else I feel like that would be sarcastic, but I've never seen Haypro be sarcastic or BM. But then again, man... idk, MOST people would be a bit salty after that beginning, even if they knew it was their own fault lol
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On September 16 2011 12:14 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:12 StaplerPhone wrote:On September 16 2011 12:12 Shaetan wrote:
haypro is the anti-idra for gg timing I believe that's called a Fantasy GG timing Nah, that's Boxer. Both in SC1 and SC2, Boxer doesn't leave until he has like 10 supply in idle SCV's and random Marines
Fantasy would have probably made 2 geysers at 2 other base and waited for bratok to kill those.
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The way orb grins all the time I feel like hes thinking "just keep talking you dont get it anyway, idiot" or something xD
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I really like Orb's casting, this is the first time I've seen him cast, I hope they bring him on a lot more.
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On September 16 2011 12:15 Fighter wrote:
"nice job brat" - Haypro
From anyone else I feel like that would be sarcastic, but I've never seen Haypro be sarcastic or BM. But then again, man... idk, MOST people would be a bit salty after that beginning, even if they knew it was their own fault lol
actually "brat" means brother in russian, so no bm for us xD
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Orb did well, good job casting.
On September 16 2011 12:15 Fighter wrote:
"nice job brat" - Haypro
From anyone else I feel like that would be sarcastic, but I've never seen Haypro be sarcastic or BM. But then again, man... idk, MOST people would be a bit salty after that beginning, even if they knew it was their own fault lol I'm sure he thought long and hard how to word this. :p
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On September 16 2011 12:18 kraut wrote:
omg stop this top3 BS
Yeah they are overdoing it with the Huk praise.
And yes, good casting by Orb.
Gretorp improved too compared to last season.
Production is much improved.
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United States7481 Posts
Orb was awesome, would love to hear him more often on NASL
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So unless haypro beats axslav, he's not taking a set this season.
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On September 16 2011 12:19 razy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:15 Fighter wrote:
"nice job brat" - Haypro
From anyone else I feel like that would be sarcastic, but I've never seen Haypro be sarcastic or BM. But then again, man... idk, MOST people would be a bit salty after that beginning, even if they knew it was their own fault lol actually "brat" means brother in russian, so no bm for us xD
It's what Haypro says when he's frustrated, he does it pretty often on stream.
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To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain.
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On September 16 2011 12:27 BarbieHsu wrote:
To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain.
Rain stays in New York.
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Also, one-base all-inning strikes me as micro heavy, which would be exactly the opposite of 'lag-resistant'.
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Still wondering if axslav wouldve survived with thermal lance and 2 colossi :/
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On September 16 2011 12:27 BarbieHsu wrote:
To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain.
Also cause Rain has shown macro games and even the best players 1-base from time to time.
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On September 16 2011 12:27 BarbieHsu wrote:
To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain.
lag isn't a problem cross server anymore teams use VPN's now.
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On September 16 2011 12:55 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:27 BarbieHsu wrote:
To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain. lag isn't a problem cross server anymore teams use VPN's now.
Lag isn't a problem for rain because He is living in new York right now.
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On September 16 2011 12:55 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:27 BarbieHsu wrote:
To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain. lag isn't a problem cross server anymore teams use VPN's now.
And rain is living on the East cost of the US, so lag isnt a problem either way
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On September 16 2011 12:55 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:27 BarbieHsu wrote:
To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain. lag isn't a problem cross server anymore teams use VPN's now.
Where is your source and proof? I know incontrol mentioned it but I can't find any information about it.
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VPN's will help for sure but at the end of the day playing from korea is a disadvantage. You will ALWAYS have a higher ping then a US player and its physically impossible to overcome this.
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On September 16 2011 13:26 SpectralFremen wrote:
VPN's will help for sure but at the end of the day playing from korea is a disadvantage. You will ALWAYS have a higher ping then a US player and its physically impossible to overcome this.
True, but in Rain's case that's irrelevant since he lives in New York. :0
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On September 16 2011 12:29 dtz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:27 BarbieHsu wrote:
To everyone that's bashing Rain for one-basing:
1. It's a long season.
2. Rain's strategies were chosen for their relative lag-resistance.
3. Therefore, we will see a lot of this all season, and maybe not just from Rain. Rain stays in New York.
To everyone: I'm an idiot. Thank you.
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I don't understand the hate for Rains one basing. He has shown that he is competent in both one base and macro styles. If he smells his opponent is weak to one basing, why shouldn't he abuse it? It's Blizzards fault, not his, that 1-1-1 is extremely hard to beat.
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On September 16 2011 12:15 Fighter wrote:
"nice job brat" - Haypro
From anyone else I feel like that would be sarcastic, but I've never seen Haypro be sarcastic or BM. But then again, man... idk, MOST people would be a bit salty after that beginning, even if they knew it was their own fault lol
To my understanding, brat is Russian for brother (with bratok being a more affectionate form so I have been told).
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HayprO
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Rain is the best player based in North America.
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Has there been an official word or fix about the stream stuttering? Even the archives have nigh unwatchable lag. Everything else has been pretty stellar though.
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On September 16 2011 16:20 Blasphemi wrote:
Rain is the best player based in North America.
No he's not. He is good, but there are better players. He fell to Idra and DeMuslim in the IEM China qualifiers, Select and KiwiKaki both outperformed him at MLG Raleigh. He is very good and at the top, but he's not the best.
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On September 16 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 16:20 Blasphemi wrote:
Rain is the best player based in North America. No he's not. He is good, but there are better players. He fell to Idra and DeMuslim in the IEM China qualifiers, Select and KiwiKaki both outperformed him at MLG Raleigh. He is very good and at the top, but he's not the best.
Rain was the highest finishing NA player at Anaheim.
He was third highest at Raleigh.
He's currently the second highest NA based player on the ELO (Major is first).
He the best overall win ratio at 66.44% of ANY player outside of Korea on international TLPD.
He has an 84% win ratio in TvP (his only loss to a non-Korean based player was Naniwa in a series Rain won 2-1), which is the best on TLPD outside of Korea.
His TvZ is the second best to Kas on TLPD.
He was Code S for most of his time in Korea.
He is a GSL finalist.
His record in MLG pool play is 8 wins and 2 losses with 17-8 in sets.
Please show me another NA player with that consistancy.
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On September 16 2011 16:57 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 16 2011 16:20 Blasphemi wrote:
Rain is the best player based in North America. No he's not. He is good, but there are better players. He fell to Idra and DeMuslim in the IEM China qualifiers, Select and KiwiKaki both outperformed him at MLG Raleigh. He is very good and at the top, but he's not the best. Rain was the highest finishing NA player at Anaheim. He was third highest at Raleigh. He's currently the second highest NA based player on the ELO (Major is first). He the best overall win ratio at 66.44% of ANY player outside of Korea on international TLPD. He has an 84% win ratio in TvP (his only loss to a non-Korean based player was Naniwa in a series Rain won 2-1), which is the best on TLPD outside of Korea. His TvZ is the second best to Kas on TLPD. He was Code S for most of his time in Korea. He is a GSL finalist. His record in MLG pool play is 8 wins and 2 losses with 17-8 in sets. Please show me another NA player with that consistancy.
I said he was one of the best. But he is not the outright best. Select, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Idra, DeMuslim, and some others will consistently take games off of him and perform well in tournaments.
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On September 16 2011 14:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 12:15 Fighter wrote:
"nice job brat" - Haypro
From anyone else I feel like that would be sarcastic, but I've never seen Haypro be sarcastic or BM. But then again, man... idk, MOST people would be a bit salty after that beginning, even if they knew it was their own fault lol To my understanding, brat is Russian for brother (with bratok being a more affectionate form so I have been told).
LOL, Haypro is super sarcastic and has the sickest deadpan in history - you NEVER know when hes trolling.
He is good manner tho!
EDIT: @ The post being quoted.
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On September 16 2011 17:31 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 14:10 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 16 2011 12:15 Fighter wrote:
"nice job brat" - Haypro
From anyone else I feel like that would be sarcastic, but I've never seen Haypro be sarcastic or BM. But then again, man... idk, MOST people would be a bit salty after that beginning, even if they knew it was their own fault lol To my understanding, brat is Russian for brother (with bratok being a more affectionate form so I have been told). LOL, Haypro is super sarcastic and has the sickest deadpan in history - you NEVER know when hes trolling.
The Liquid Family always has to explain it when they are trolling, otherwise people get confused .
Poor Mr.Chae
EDIT: Except Hotbid, people probably get confused when he is being serious.
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so I click http://nasl.tv/Videos
to see if you finally made it possible to lower the quality of vods. I see you did this for a lot of random videos like "NASL Season 2 Must See Matchups" and random showmatches.
However, the only vod there was sheth vs vibe and it did NOT have this possibility. It's unfathomable.
So let me get this straight, will you be able to lower the quality or not? Were can I go to test this before I buy another product I can't use?
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On September 16 2011 17:31 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 16:57 Blasphemi wrote:On September 16 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 16 2011 16:20 Blasphemi wrote:
Rain is the best player based in North America. No he's not. He is good, but there are better players. He fell to Idra and DeMuslim in the IEM China qualifiers, Select and KiwiKaki both outperformed him at MLG Raleigh. He is very good and at the top, but he's not the best. Rain was the highest finishing NA player at Anaheim. He was third highest at Raleigh. He's currently the second highest NA based player on the ELO (Major is first). He the best overall win ratio at 66.44% of ANY player outside of Korea on international TLPD. He has an 84% win ratio in TvP (his only loss to a non-Korean based player was Naniwa in a series Rain won 2-1), which is the best on TLPD outside of Korea. His TvZ is the second best to Kas on TLPD. He was Code S for most of his time in Korea. He is a GSL finalist. His record in MLG pool play is 8 wins and 2 losses with 17-8 in sets. Please show me another NA player with that consistancy. I said he was one of the best. But he is not the outright best. Select, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Idra, DeMuslim, and some others will consistently take games off of him and perform well in tournaments.
I would not bet on any of those players in a set against Rain.
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On September 16 2011 17:31 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 16:57 Blasphemi wrote:On September 16 2011 16:45 jmbthirteen wrote:On September 16 2011 16:20 Blasphemi wrote:
Rain is the best player based in North America. No he's not. He is good, but there are better players. He fell to Idra and DeMuslim in the IEM China qualifiers, Select and KiwiKaki both outperformed him at MLG Raleigh. He is very good and at the top, but he's not the best. Rain was the highest finishing NA player at Anaheim. He was third highest at Raleigh. He's currently the second highest NA based player on the ELO (Major is first). He the best overall win ratio at 66.44% of ANY player outside of Korea on international TLPD. He has an 84% win ratio in TvP (his only loss to a non-Korean based player was Naniwa in a series Rain won 2-1), which is the best on TLPD outside of Korea. His TvZ is the second best to Kas on TLPD. He was Code S for most of his time in Korea. He is a GSL finalist. His record in MLG pool play is 8 wins and 2 losses with 17-8 in sets. Please show me another NA player with that consistancy. I said he was one of the best. But he is not the outright best. Select, Kiwikaki, Sheth, Idra, DeMuslim, and some others will consistently take games off of him and perform well in tournaments.
So the other guy pretty much posts a well thought out and coherent post proving his point and all you can say is some generic bullshit about how rain lost a few random games to those players?
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Dude I just watched nasl for the first time since nasl finals and this quality is ridonkulous. helps that its free 1080p week
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This way of knowing the recommended games is.... just bad ;S
Which of the games that is the best tells me nothing, a "recommended game 2" might still be just average at most...
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but... ClouD vs DarkForce ?
This lack of informations is really annoying, imho....
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