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The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
September 17 2011 04:17 GMT
#1941
On September 17 2011 10:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 03:50 The Final Boss wrote:
On September 15 2011 14:36 red4ce wrote:
First time ever I won't be able to watch this live. Without MC around this time to troll everyone I don't think it will be as entertaining as usual. Hoping for some fun groups of death at least. MVP pick MMA and send him back to code A!

MC isn't there because he made stupid decisions. Anyone who's stupid enough to pick Mvp first round is stupid. And why the hate on MMA? MMA is such a great player who's fun to watch (his drop micro is some of the best in the world along with players like PuMa).

On September 15 2011 14:46 Deltablazy wrote:
It's cool bro. MVP 1/1/1'ing MC out of Code S wasn't enough?

I feared MC all the time cuz he would make stupid picks thinking he has 100% chance of advancing but then loses and all the favorites/champions get eliminated early, and then you have stupid finals (NesTea vs inca) or TvT galore.

Tl;dr. I am happy MC isn't going to be screwing this season. I want a good Blizzcon GSL finals.

Wait, when you say that MVP 1/1/1ed MC, you do realize that he didn't all-in him, right? As Terrans are we just not allowed to build a Barracks, then a Factory, and then a Starport without being horrible people. Plus, even if he had beaten MC with a 1/1/1, it's a really strong timing that's basically all-in. Didn't MC pretty much make his fame off of 1 or 2 base builds like that (4 Gate, 6 Gate, 3 Gate Void).

Also, why does everybody hate on TvT. It's such an interesting match-up to watch (though it can be boring at times) because there's so many different openings. Plus, what's cooler than watching massive amounts of Battlecruisers, Vikings, and Ravens?


You're stupid. MC picked MVP because he wanted to ensure he didn't get too far that season so MC could overtake him in points to be invited for the blizzcon tournament with Nestea. Given MVP's questionable TvP in the past, MC probably thought he could take him. As I'm sure many others did as well.

No that's not true at all. First off it was decided prior to the August tournament that Mvp would be going to Blizzcon as opposed to Mvp (at least I remember hearing about Mvp and NesTea going to Blizzcon far before the August Finals, so I would assume that the decision was finalized before Mvp won his third GSL). You can say all you want about "Mvp's questionable TvP" but from this past GSL, I think it's fair to say that he can dominate Protoss players with or without the 1-1-1 All-In (watch his games on Antiga Shipyard against MC and then later against HuK, he has two completely different styles, both of which destroyed his opponents).

And here's the thing, it's one thing to think you could beat Mvp (I bet that anybody who has earned the spot to be in Code S believes that they could beat Mvp; I think that to get to that level in any sort of competition you have to be somewhat egotistical and set really high standards for yourself) but it's a completely separate thing to purposely choose to fight against him. It's just nonsensical and makes MC look like an absolute idiot. He got what was coming to him and now he's in Code A. Please don't call me stupid when you clearly don't understand what happened.

Plus, picking Mvp for your group doesn't even assure that he will get knocked out. Even if you beat him there's still a chance that he will wind up getting second in the group and if that happens and he plays well against everyone else then MC would have no chance at knocking him out until the finals, but then again that had nothing to do with MC picking Mvp.

Really, you should just think more before you 1. Call me stupid and 2. Decide to post at all.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
September 17 2011 05:05 GMT
#1942
On September 17 2011 13:17 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 10:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:50 The Final Boss wrote:
On September 15 2011 14:36 red4ce wrote:
First time ever I won't be able to watch this live. Without MC around this time to troll everyone I don't think it will be as entertaining as usual. Hoping for some fun groups of death at least. MVP pick MMA and send him back to code A!

MC isn't there because he made stupid decisions. Anyone who's stupid enough to pick Mvp first round is stupid. And why the hate on MMA? MMA is such a great player who's fun to watch (his drop micro is some of the best in the world along with players like PuMa).

On September 15 2011 14:46 Deltablazy wrote:
It's cool bro. MVP 1/1/1'ing MC out of Code S wasn't enough?

I feared MC all the time cuz he would make stupid picks thinking he has 100% chance of advancing but then loses and all the favorites/champions get eliminated early, and then you have stupid finals (NesTea vs inca) or TvT galore.

Tl;dr. I am happy MC isn't going to be screwing this season. I want a good Blizzcon GSL finals.

Wait, when you say that MVP 1/1/1ed MC, you do realize that he didn't all-in him, right? As Terrans are we just not allowed to build a Barracks, then a Factory, and then a Starport without being horrible people. Plus, even if he had beaten MC with a 1/1/1, it's a really strong timing that's basically all-in. Didn't MC pretty much make his fame off of 1 or 2 base builds like that (4 Gate, 6 Gate, 3 Gate Void).

Also, why does everybody hate on TvT. It's such an interesting match-up to watch (though it can be boring at times) because there's so many different openings. Plus, what's cooler than watching massive amounts of Battlecruisers, Vikings, and Ravens?


You're stupid. MC picked MVP because he wanted to ensure he didn't get too far that season so MC could overtake him in points to be invited for the blizzcon tournament with Nestea. Given MVP's questionable TvP in the past, MC probably thought he could take him. As I'm sure many others did as well.

No that's not true at all. First off it was decided prior to the August tournament that Mvp would be going to Blizzcon as opposed to Mvp (at least I remember hearing about Mvp and NesTea going to Blizzcon far before the August Finals, so I would assume that the decision was finalized before Mvp won his third GSL). You can say all you want about "Mvp's questionable TvP" but from this past GSL, I think it's fair to say that he can dominate Protoss players with or without the 1-1-1 All-In (watch his games on Antiga Shipyard against MC and then later against HuK, he has two completely different styles, both of which destroyed his opponents).

And here's the thing, it's one thing to think you could beat Mvp (I bet that anybody who has earned the spot to be in Code S believes that they could beat Mvp; I think that to get to that level in any sort of competition you have to be somewhat egotistical and set really high standards for yourself) but it's a completely separate thing to purposely choose to fight against him. It's just nonsensical and makes MC look like an absolute idiot. He got what was coming to him and now he's in Code A. Please don't call me stupid when you clearly don't understand what happened.

Plus, picking Mvp for your group doesn't even assure that he will get knocked out. Even if you beat him there's still a chance that he will wind up getting second in the group and if that happens and he plays well against everyone else then MC would have no chance at knocking him out until the finals, but then again that had nothing to do with MC picking Mvp.

Really, you should just think more before you 1. Call me stupid and 2. Decide to post at all.


I honestly don't think it was stupid at all for MC to pick MVP. MVP didn't get far in a GSL for a really long time. And unlike sC who hasn't won anything, MC has actually won a whole lot of tournaments. So to think that MC was being cocky may be quite the overstatement.....since he was already doing better than him in GSL in the first place.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
September 17 2011 06:02 GMT
#1943
that was some damn epic trolling by jinro, a good watch.
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
September 17 2011 08:24 GMT
#1944
Group A:
MVP
Ensnare
Clide
Noblesse

Group B:
Ryung
MarineKing
Puzzle
Bomber

Group C:
Keen
NaDa
MMA
NesTea

Group D:
HuK
Virus
Nuclear (asd)
Zenio

Group E:
July
HongUn
GanZi
LosirA

Group F:
Genius
Happy
Leenock
Jjakji

Group G:
Polt
SangHo (Killer)
DongRaeGu
Taeja

Group H:
TOP
CoCa

SuperNoVa
aLive
Live and Let Die!
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
September 17 2011 10:48 GMT
#1945
Nestea better work on his terran, lord oh lord
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GroOve_ArmaDa
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3 Posts
September 17 2011 13:05 GMT
#1946
A: MVP, Clide
B: Group of Death .. Ryung, Puzzle
C: MMA, NesTea
D: HuK, Virus o Nuclear
E: GanZi, LosirA
F: Leenock, Jjakji
G: exciting group, I'd love to see TaeJa do well, but favs are Polt + DRG
H: ToP, CoCa

why does group D seem to be so much weaker than the other groups?
In group C + G there are 3 very strong players + 1 kind of outsider (Keen, Killer).
for the rest these are hopefully gna be very exciting matches ... looking forward to it.
"Life's battles don't always go to the stronger or faster man, but sooner or later the man who is is the man who thinks he can"
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
September 17 2011 13:28 GMT
#1947
On September 17 2011 14:05 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 13:17 The Final Boss wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:50 The Final Boss wrote:
On September 15 2011 14:36 red4ce wrote:
First time ever I won't be able to watch this live. Without MC around this time to troll everyone I don't think it will be as entertaining as usual. Hoping for some fun groups of death at least. MVP pick MMA and send him back to code A!

MC isn't there because he made stupid decisions. Anyone who's stupid enough to pick Mvp first round is stupid. And why the hate on MMA? MMA is such a great player who's fun to watch (his drop micro is some of the best in the world along with players like PuMa).

On September 15 2011 14:46 Deltablazy wrote:
It's cool bro. MVP 1/1/1'ing MC out of Code S wasn't enough?

I feared MC all the time cuz he would make stupid picks thinking he has 100% chance of advancing but then loses and all the favorites/champions get eliminated early, and then you have stupid finals (NesTea vs inca) or TvT galore.

Tl;dr. I am happy MC isn't going to be screwing this season. I want a good Blizzcon GSL finals.

Wait, when you say that MVP 1/1/1ed MC, you do realize that he didn't all-in him, right? As Terrans are we just not allowed to build a Barracks, then a Factory, and then a Starport without being horrible people. Plus, even if he had beaten MC with a 1/1/1, it's a really strong timing that's basically all-in. Didn't MC pretty much make his fame off of 1 or 2 base builds like that (4 Gate, 6 Gate, 3 Gate Void).

Also, why does everybody hate on TvT. It's such an interesting match-up to watch (though it can be boring at times) because there's so many different openings. Plus, what's cooler than watching massive amounts of Battlecruisers, Vikings, and Ravens?


You're stupid. MC picked MVP because he wanted to ensure he didn't get too far that season so MC could overtake him in points to be invited for the blizzcon tournament with Nestea. Given MVP's questionable TvP in the past, MC probably thought he could take him. As I'm sure many others did as well.

No that's not true at all. First off it was decided prior to the August tournament that Mvp would be going to Blizzcon as opposed to Mvp (at least I remember hearing about Mvp and NesTea going to Blizzcon far before the August Finals, so I would assume that the decision was finalized before Mvp won his third GSL). You can say all you want about "Mvp's questionable TvP" but from this past GSL, I think it's fair to say that he can dominate Protoss players with or without the 1-1-1 All-In (watch his games on Antiga Shipyard against MC and then later against HuK, he has two completely different styles, both of which destroyed his opponents).

And here's the thing, it's one thing to think you could beat Mvp (I bet that anybody who has earned the spot to be in Code S believes that they could beat Mvp; I think that to get to that level in any sort of competition you have to be somewhat egotistical and set really high standards for yourself) but it's a completely separate thing to purposely choose to fight against him. It's just nonsensical and makes MC look like an absolute idiot. He got what was coming to him and now he's in Code A. Please don't call me stupid when you clearly don't understand what happened.

Plus, picking Mvp for your group doesn't even assure that he will get knocked out. Even if you beat him there's still a chance that he will wind up getting second in the group and if that happens and he plays well against everyone else then MC would have no chance at knocking him out until the finals, but then again that had nothing to do with MC picking Mvp.

Really, you should just think more before you 1. Call me stupid and 2. Decide to post at all.


I honestly don't think it was stupid at all for MC to pick MVP. MVP didn't get far in a GSL for a really long time. And unlike sC who hasn't won anything, MC has actually won a whole lot of tournaments. So to think that MC was being cocky may be quite the overstatement.....since he was already doing better than him in GSL in the first place.


When was the last time MC won a GSL?
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
September 20 2011 19:41 GMT
#1948
On September 17 2011 14:05 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 13:17 The Final Boss wrote:
On September 17 2011 10:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On September 17 2011 03:50 The Final Boss wrote:
On September 15 2011 14:36 red4ce wrote:
First time ever I won't be able to watch this live. Without MC around this time to troll everyone I don't think it will be as entertaining as usual. Hoping for some fun groups of death at least. MVP pick MMA and send him back to code A!

MC isn't there because he made stupid decisions. Anyone who's stupid enough to pick Mvp first round is stupid. And why the hate on MMA? MMA is such a great player who's fun to watch (his drop micro is some of the best in the world along with players like PuMa).

On September 15 2011 14:46 Deltablazy wrote:
It's cool bro. MVP 1/1/1'ing MC out of Code S wasn't enough?

I feared MC all the time cuz he would make stupid picks thinking he has 100% chance of advancing but then loses and all the favorites/champions get eliminated early, and then you have stupid finals (NesTea vs inca) or TvT galore.

Tl;dr. I am happy MC isn't going to be screwing this season. I want a good Blizzcon GSL finals.

Wait, when you say that MVP 1/1/1ed MC, you do realize that he didn't all-in him, right? As Terrans are we just not allowed to build a Barracks, then a Factory, and then a Starport without being horrible people. Plus, even if he had beaten MC with a 1/1/1, it's a really strong timing that's basically all-in. Didn't MC pretty much make his fame off of 1 or 2 base builds like that (4 Gate, 6 Gate, 3 Gate Void).

Also, why does everybody hate on TvT. It's such an interesting match-up to watch (though it can be boring at times) because there's so many different openings. Plus, what's cooler than watching massive amounts of Battlecruisers, Vikings, and Ravens?


You're stupid. MC picked MVP because he wanted to ensure he didn't get too far that season so MC could overtake him in points to be invited for the blizzcon tournament with Nestea. Given MVP's questionable TvP in the past, MC probably thought he could take him. As I'm sure many others did as well.

No that's not true at all. First off it was decided prior to the August tournament that Mvp would be going to Blizzcon as opposed to Mvp (at least I remember hearing about Mvp and NesTea going to Blizzcon far before the August Finals, so I would assume that the decision was finalized before Mvp won his third GSL). You can say all you want about "Mvp's questionable TvP" but from this past GSL, I think it's fair to say that he can dominate Protoss players with or without the 1-1-1 All-In (watch his games on Antiga Shipyard against MC and then later against HuK, he has two completely different styles, both of which destroyed his opponents).

And here's the thing, it's one thing to think you could beat Mvp (I bet that anybody who has earned the spot to be in Code S believes that they could beat Mvp; I think that to get to that level in any sort of competition you have to be somewhat egotistical and set really high standards for yourself) but it's a completely separate thing to purposely choose to fight against him. It's just nonsensical and makes MC look like an absolute idiot. He got what was coming to him and now he's in Code A. Please don't call me stupid when you clearly don't understand what happened.

Plus, picking Mvp for your group doesn't even assure that he will get knocked out. Even if you beat him there's still a chance that he will wind up getting second in the group and if that happens and he plays well against everyone else then MC would have no chance at knocking him out until the finals, but then again that had nothing to do with MC picking Mvp.

Really, you should just think more before you 1. Call me stupid and 2. Decide to post at all.


I honestly don't think it was stupid at all for MC to pick MVP. MVP didn't get far in a GSL for a really long time. And unlike sC who hasn't won anything, MC has actually won a whole lot of tournaments. So to think that MC was being cocky may be quite the overstatement.....since he was already doing better than him in GSL in the first place.

Even before this past season where MC got sent down to Code A (and he lost there hahaha), Mvp was doing better overall in GSL. Other than the incident where Mvp fell down to Code A a while back, he has been performing exceedingly solidly and this is right after Mvp won MLG. MC made a plethora of bad decisions which highlight his overconfidence and now he's paying the price.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
September 21 2011 16:25 GMT
#1949
I dislike the group selection process for several reasons and I could make a new thread about it but I'll do it within this thread.

Firstly I think that the selection process should be based upon the GSL rankings not the last season results in the GSL bracket. Because it eliminates the risk of super groups or a group of death like Group C (MMA, Keen, Nestea and MMA). Although it might be exciting to see a highly ranked player drop out early of the bracket you will loose a higher player quality bracket.

Secondly, a problem with the grand finals of the GSL is that they have been one-sided. The solution is a bracket based upon GSL rankings which would theoretically create a MVP vs Nestea final, according the the current rankings. This is how the all tennis tournaments are run (a 1v1 sport) and it creates epic players and finals. Because the audience want to see the best players duke it out. Imagine a Wibeldon with Federer, Nadal and Djokovic at the same side of the bracket. No offence to the rest of the tennis players but it would create a less epic final.

Method:
Just let the top8, currently in code S of the rankings, in descending order pick an opponent from a player pool consisting of the 9th-16th highest ranked Code S players and then let the 9th ranked player pick from an opponent from a player pool consisting of the 17th-24th highest ranked Code S players and repeat the same process for the 17-24 highest ranked Code S players in the next round.

Also keep in mind that the highest and second highest player are at different side of the brackets so that they can meet in the grand finals. The highest ranked player #1 would therefore play in group A, the secondly highest ranked player #2 play in group E, #3 in D, #4 in H, #5 in B, #6 in F, #7 in C and 8# in group G.

Summary; The current system creates, imo, one sided finals and super groups in the group stage.
The proposed system would have a similar dramatic group selection process but with epic finals, no round 8 finals between Nestea and MVP (probably like the upcoming GSL October tournament) and gives therefore a greater chance for more epic finals between highly ranked GSL players.
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kiy0
Profile Joined August 2010
Portugal593 Posts
September 27 2011 15:14 GMT
#1950
75% of Ro32 complete -> 9 Terrans and 3 Zergs

I've said this like 3 seasons ago... If some major changes don't occur balance wise in the next few weeks, GSL will be all about knowing which Terrans will face off against in the Ro16. Even players like NesTea, Leenock and DRG will have a hard time staying in Code S. And I'm not even gonna mention Protoss players.

Looking at the big picture, this is causing Starcraft 2 to lose credibility as a competitive game and GomTv will have less and less subscribers due to the lack of variety of the matchups and volatility of the players.

Like Gary Oak mentioned, they might just change the name to Code T.
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CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
September 27 2011 15:20 GMT
#1951
On September 28 2011 00:14 kiy0 wrote:
75% of Ro32 complete -> 9 Terrans and 3 Zergs

I've said this like 3 seasons ago... If some major changes don't occur balance wise in the next few weeks, GSL will be all about knowing which Terrans will face off against in the Ro16. Even players like NesTea, Leenock and DRG will have a hard time staying in Code S. And I'm not even gonna mention Protoss players.

Looking at the big picture, this is causing Starcraft 2 to lose credibility as a competitive game and GomTv will have less and less subscribers due to the lack of variety of the matchups and volatility of the players.

Like Gary Oak mentioned, they might just change the name to Code T.


Blizzard's problem is Korea >>>>>>> EU/NA. Even though the GSL is slowly working its way up to 90% terran, that's simply not the case outside of Korea. People state that rather than buffing Zerg or Protoss, they should nerf the terran. If they nerf the terran, we could wind up with a well balanced GSL, but a Zerg/Protoss dominated NA/EU.

Look at the winners/top non-koreans at these foreign events. Besides Thorzain it's mostly Zergs and Protoss.
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
September 27 2011 15:32 GMT
#1952
On September 28 2011 00:20 CptGrackSparrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 00:14 kiy0 wrote:
75% of Ro32 complete -> 9 Terrans and 3 Zergs

I've said this like 3 seasons ago... If some major changes don't occur balance wise in the next few weeks, GSL will be all about knowing which Terrans will face off against in the Ro16. Even players like NesTea, Leenock and DRG will have a hard time staying in Code S. And I'm not even gonna mention Protoss players.

Looking at the big picture, this is causing Starcraft 2 to lose credibility as a competitive game and GomTv will have less and less subscribers due to the lack of variety of the matchups and volatility of the players.

Like Gary Oak mentioned, they might just change the name to Code T.


Blizzard's problem is Korea >>>>>>> EU/NA. Even though the GSL is slowly working its way up to 90% terran, that's simply not the case outside of Korea. People state that rather than buffing Zerg or Protoss, they should nerf the terran. If they nerf the terran, we could wind up with a well balanced GSL, but a Zerg/Protoss dominated NA/EU.

Look at the winners/top non-koreans at these foreign events. Besides Thorzain it's mostly Zergs and Protoss.


because
koreans = humans
the rest of the world = aliens and monsters
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
September 27 2011 15:45 GMT
#1953
omg . killer please win
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
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