EPTAt the moment a don't mind so many terrans that much because the terran versus protoss metagame in the korea is just ugly. The fear of 1/1/1 dominates almost every game which results in that the protoss either allin or play to safe.
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dragoonier
Germany154 Posts
At the moment a don't mind so many terrans that much because the terran versus protoss metagame in the korea is just ugly. The fear of 1/1/1 dominates almost every game which results in that the protoss either allin or play to safe. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On September 16 2011 04:13 babylon wrote: You're much better off ignoring comments such as those, then. People will cheer for they want to cheer for. I understand your frustration about overhyped players, but I don't think Bomber is overhyped at all, especially compared to players like DRG and -- dare I say it? -- MKP. Even NesTea at times is overhyped (lol ZvT). You make very good points here and I agree with you overall. I would like to add one thing, though: NesTea has a 55% win ratio against Terran, which is hilarious, but his win ratio against Terrans who aren't his teammate MVP is 70%. It's still his worst matchup, but NesTea is actually a huge ZvT beast, it just so happens that MVP is better than NesTea at playing against his own practice partner and teammate. So I'd not consider NesTea overhyped. I'd consider him overMVPed. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
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Paladia
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
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TVUmK
United States91 Posts
 ) means that MVP will win.And it will be boring. Again. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On September 16 2011 05:10 Blazinghand wrote: You make very good points here and I agree with you overall. I would like to add one thing, though: NesTea has a 55% win ratio against Terran, which is hilarious, but his win ratio against Terrans who aren't his teammate MVP is 70%. It's still his worst matchup, but NesTea is actually a huge ZvT beast, it just so happens that MVP is better than NesTea at playing against his own practice partner and teammate. So I'd not consider NesTea overhyped. I'd consider him overMVPed. That's indeed hilarious. The issue I have with that is if you look at the rest of his record, you realize that he hasn't really played against many notable Terrans period (much less good TvZ Terrans). In the past four months, he's played against sC, Bomber, TOP, Ensnare, MMA, Happy, and MVP. Of those he won, sC threw his series away, Bomber played the dumbest TvZ style ever, Ensnare was -- and still is -- lol-worthy, and Happy almost killed him had it not been for a lucky baneling bomb going off. Meanwhile, he went ahead and lost to all the decent TvZers in Code S. I mean, you can't disagree that he was overhyped when you had people who said that NesTea would roll over MVP in the Ro16. Nobody in their right mind would've called that; MVP was easily the favorite, and anyone who said otherwise was overrating and overhyping NesTea. Remember that just two months ago we had people saying he was a bonjwa already, which is ridiculous. | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On September 16 2011 05:31 babylon wrote: That's indeed hilarious. The issue I have with that is if you look at the rest of his record, you realize that he hasn't really played against many notable Terrans period (much less good TvZ Terrans). In the past four months, he's played against sC, Bomber, TOP, Ensnare, MMA, Happy, and MVP. Of those he won, sC threw his series away, Bomber played the dumbest TvZ style ever, Ensnare was -- and still is -- lol-worthy, and Happy almost killed him had it not been for a lucky baneling bomb going off. Meanwhile, he went ahead and lost to all the decent TvZers in Code S. I mean, you can't disagree that he was overhyped when you had people who said that NesTea would roll over MVP in the Ro16. Nobody in their right mind would've called that; MVP was easily the favorite, and anyone who said otherwise was overrating and overhyping NesTea. Remember that just two months ago we had people saying he was a bonjwa already, which is ridiculous. I understand your point on Nestea being slightly overhyped (this was Artosis' fault really), I mean, watch his match vs Kyrix and Tastosis are saying how Nestea doesn't make mistakes, doesn't lose games, is unbeatable. Most rational people of course knew he was beatable but was still worthy of 3 GSL championships. I have to say though, who, other than perhaps DRG (who has limited Bo3 matches played), has a better ZvT record than Nestea? Losira? No, his win rate is poor. July? His winrate is comparable but he will never be favoured against players that Nestea is favoured against. Coca? If it weren't for MLG, people would consider him awful, his GSL performances have been lacklustre (expect ZvP). Zenio? Again, like Losira and Coca, lower than 50% win rate. Leenock? YEAH GO LEENOCK! He has the best record of anyone. Then, you look at his opponents. They are all of the 'oGsEnsnare' standard, and seeing as he has been manhandled my Marineking multiple times, it is hard to say he will not experience the same from other Code S Terran monsters. So, we have deduced that with the exception of DRG, Nestea most likely has the best ZvT in Code S. | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
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Vegalive
United States96 Posts
On September 16 2011 05:13 Paladia wrote: 20 Terran, 7erg Z and 5 Protoss. This isn't even fun to watch anymore, unfortunately. This is how I felt when I saw the groups. I also let out a big sigh seeing as how I won't be watching most of the GSL. I don't mind a good TvT, but this many is really causing a lack of interest. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
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OgsStump
128 Posts
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
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Tevo
Netherlands75 Posts
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f0rzaa
United States59 Posts
On September 16 2011 04:17 double620 wrote: If I were puzzle I would pick bomber too. If terran really wants to kill a toss they will get it and Mc is an example. So why not just pick Bomber and ask for a macro game. In that case, at the time u lose, U feel better, comparing to losing to some bad terrans. :| Puzzle's going to lose either way, sorry! | ||
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