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Have fun everyone and enjoy todays games! <3

~Nyovne
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#2381
Terminus again, close position again I'm sure.
MKP got close pos vs JYP, Taeja got close pos vs JYP.
But Tester and JYP got far pos on both taldarim and antiga.
So close pos now.
Cramsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1100 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#2382
Mkp fighting!!!
"give me 20 minutes and I'll make them quiet" - MVP
whirlpool
Profile Joined June 2011
2788 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#2383
inc 1/1/1
Nightbiscuit
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden179 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#2384
On September 08 2011 21:43 bobwhiz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:42 Nightbiscuit wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:36 Demonace34 wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:31 Nightbiscuit wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:28 priste wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:24 Nightbiscuit wrote:
I love how DTs work. You get totally outplayed and still get to flip a coin for like a 50/50 chance to win.


?

Trickster screwed up. JYP capitalized.

Remind me again how player A screws up, and player B notices it and takes advantage of it to win = player B outplayed?


Trickster owned him the whole game then made one mistake. Jyp made lots and lots of mistakes and two good decisions and won the game. That's DTs for ya.


This is a horrible mindset for you, this is a strategy game where you have to make the best decisions based on information you have.

Lets look at Trickster's decision:
Decides to account for the chance of DT with the forge, builds one cannon to be super safe against it, yet then decides to move out. That is asking for a base trade unless you know for certain that JYPs army is at home.

Owned him? JYP was down but not out, I would say his blink stalker control would of beat Tricksters when it came down to it. Did JYP play a bit risky? Yes, but he calculated the risk vs reward and decided that the path he took was the better one. He won, so he is better in that game.


Problem is that making a dark shrine when you're behind isn't really a decision. He had basically lost the game and built a dark shrine, sort of as a free extra life. It's not like he had a lead to lose, building that dark shrine.


JYP still coulda won with the basetrade cause he got to the mineral line first.


Of course. I'm not denying that trickster made a mistake. However, it's a VERY EASY mistake to make, relative to what it takes to force the mistake.
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#2385
On September 08 2011 21:43 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:42 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol at theese commentators :

"It's gonna be a base trade"
30s later "Trickster will win this pretty easily"
30s later "JYP will take this !"


It seems that wolf got the same game sense as Doa.

It's a pvp, nobody can be 100% which player is going to win at any time.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#2386
And close pos ! The exact same positions as before xD
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
September 08 2011 12:45 GMT
#2387
On September 08 2011 21:43 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:42 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol at theese commentators :

"It's gonna be a base trade"
30s later "Trickster will win this pretty easily"
30s later "JYP will take this !"


It seems that wolf got the same game sense as Doa.


Come on, that's not fair. Wolf actually plays Protoss and is pretty decent as a player. PvP is just really volatile and unpredictable.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2388
Another 1/1/1 then?
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2389
JYP own those terrans!
SeriouR
Profile Joined November 2010
Spain622 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2390
So now i wish JYP loses and MKP loses to Triackster so we have a rerematch.
Trance music makes the fairys dance
peeeky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada631 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2391
As much as I like MKP, hopefully JYP can pull through so we can have more of a variety of races in Code S.
Jaedong4thOSL
Profile Joined August 2011
United States487 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2392
On September 08 2011 21:44 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:42 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol at theese commentators :

"It's gonna be a base trade"
30s later "Trickster will win this pretty easily"
30s later "JYP will take this !"


The situation was really volatile so cut our casters a little slack here


If it is so volatile, he should not say who will win.
Hypertension
Profile Joined April 2011
United States802 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2393
1:00 JYP at 12'oclock, MKP at 3. Both make an initial worker
Buy boots first. Boots good item.
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2394
On September 08 2011 21:40 Demonace34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:39 OrchidThief wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:33 zeru wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:31 Nightbiscuit wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:28 priste wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:24 Nightbiscuit wrote:
I love how DTs work. You get totally outplayed and still get to flip a coin for like a 50/50 chance to win.


?

Trickster screwed up. JYP capitalized.

Remind me again how player A screws up, and player B notices it and takes advantage of it to win = player B outplayed?


Trickster owned him the whole game then made one mistake. Jyp made lots and lots of mistake and two good decisions and won the game. That's DTs for ya.

He won because trickster made AWFUL decisions, not because he made good decisions himself, what he did was 100% obvious.


Trickster made -a- horrible mistake. If the game was well designed -a- mistake wouldn't just negate playing well the other 90% of the time. I'm saying the very nature of being able to make a DT and just negate not doing as well as the other guy is stupid and makes the game inherently coinflippy.

The rewards for stuff like clutch DT's is way too large. Even if technically balanced, it's just kind of bad design.


It is designed to punish greedy players that skip detection (even less of an excuse for Trickster considering he was ahead)


I agree that it should punish not getting detection, I never said anything to the contrary, I think finding this loophole in your opponents build should give you an advantage, not plain win you the game. Like I said, I think the rewards for doing this is way too large.

On September 08 2011 21:41 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
---


Like... chess? You can play brilliantly all game, be ahead pieces, but by ignoring the strategic positioning of your pieces be checkmated due to a single (giant) mistake. You saying chess is a bad game? LOL. Your reasoning makes no sense: if you make a mistake as big as the one Tester made, you deserve to lose.


Don't compare chess to SC2. One is a game of complete information and one is a game of incomplete information with a micro aspect. These games aren't comparable.
beute
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany197 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2395
lets see if marineking sells his soul... again.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2396
I hope JYP do something else than going every single tech patch with no unit.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2397
Moletrap has gotten a lot better?! I've been listening for a full 30 mins and I haven't cringed once!

Nice work to new casters, they've really calmed down on the constant yelling + 30 minute long awkward joke marathons.
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Phyxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark681 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2398
On September 08 2011 21:40 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:39 Scrumdidlyumptious wrote:
MKP:
2nd in GSL Open Season 2
2nd in GOM All-Star Invitational
2nd in GSL Code S January
2nd in GSL World Championship
2nd in GSL Code A August

Currently 2:2 in the Up & Down matches with a chance for 2nd in his group


the kong is strong in this one.

I imagine that he will do 2, 2 base 2-2-2 builds now.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2399
These positions on this map with these players seems veeeeeeeeeeeery familiar
^_^
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
September 08 2011 12:46 GMT
#2400
On September 08 2011 21:45 gideel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:44 Biane wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:42 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol at theese commentators :

"It's gonna be a base trade"
30s later "Trickster will win this pretty easily"
30s later "JYP will take this !"


The situation was really volatile so cut our casters a little slack here


Because it was volatile they should not preemptively say things that are NOT true.


i'll just quote this in response

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 08 2011 21:44 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:43 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:42 SkullZ9 wrote:
Lol at theese commentators :

"It's gonna be a base trade"
30s later "Trickster will win this pretty easily"
30s later "JYP will take this !"


It seems that wolf got the same game sense as Doa.

nah, it's just pvp, you'll never know how it will turn out
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