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On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.
To an extent. Your criticisms should be professional and they should be valid. Criticisms that are personal and are proven wrong DURING GAMES HE WINS destroy all Artosis's credibility on the subject of HongUn.
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Oboy, was this a good night of Starcraft. Good stream (no, I don't remember the start...), good cast, good games and good nigh..morning. Can't wait for D2. Take care guys. 
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7:30 am here...
thx for an awesome night MLG
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On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt
He has also made a ton of correct calls. Neither argument is actually a good one.
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Tastosis was awesome all day considering they had to have been hella-jet lagged. and Day9 was pretty good too for being on pain killers. xD
would've loved some PTR discussion though
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On August 27 2011 14:33 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. To an extent. Your criticisms should be professional and they should be valid. Criticisms that are personal and are proven wrong DURING GAMES HE WINS destroy all Artosis's credibility on the subject of HongUn.
Nonetheless, he can still express his opinion
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On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt
That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.
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On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt
Umm, Artosis has made a bunch of good calls. He's probably one of the most knowledgeable public figures in SC2.
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In Korea, Hongun is considered as one of the best protosses. And I'm a fan of him too. Remember that he was probably only one of the few that made carriers and succeeded in GSL.
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On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid. He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.
Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.
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Notable players still in the running for a Pool play slot from Open Bracket:
Slot 1: Drewbie, Ostojiy, OneWBC, Puma
Slot 2: KawaiiRice, DeMuslim, Jinro, TriMaster
Slot 3: Grubby, Noblesse
Slot 4: Tyler, Inka, Hero, Painuser
Let me know if there are any errors. If Puma wins slot 1, he'll be seeded into Pool D as all the other seeds would be lower than him. The rest we'll have to wait and see.
edit: updated
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On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid. He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B. Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.
Winning a PvP series is great and all but it doesn't make you good. Hongun takes way too many risks to be considered good, and the only reason he's considered good in Korea is that there are so few competitive Protoss there.
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Wish we coulda heard the hilarious sotg guys a bit longer but they must be tired, probably shouldn't have really called it "sotg" kinda gets expectations up when their shows are usually 2 hours.
Sundance and mlg doing a good job. Never seen that other guy before, find it kinda funny that the guys running mlg look like former frat bros who can probably smash a coconut in their biceps, not really what youd expect lol. They do a good job though and listen to feedback, looking forward to tomorrow.
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On August 27 2011 14:42 Kiyo. wrote:
Notable players still in the running for a Pool play slot from Open Bracket:
Slot 1: Drewbie, Ostojiy, OneWBC, Puma
Slot 2: KawaiiRice, DeMuslim, Jinro, TriMaster
Slot 3: Grubby, Noblesse
Slot 4: Tyler, Hero, Painuser
Let me know if there are any errors.
You ignored Inka in slot 4 and possibly ttn114 in slot 3, I mention the latter because he beat Gatored and Cruncher so he may have some chance against Grubby, but not much against Noblesse.
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On August 27 2011 14:33 DrOmni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt He has also made a ton of correct calls. Neither argument is actually a good one.
he has, my pint being is that people shouldn't take what Artosis says as a Gospel. Which some people do.
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On August 27 2011 14:42 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid. He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B. Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot. Winning a PvP series is great and all but it doesn't make you good. Hongun takes way too many risks to be considered good, and the only reason he's considered good in Korea is that there are so few competitive Protoss there.
Okay let's not pretend that HongUn isn't rank 13 in the GSL. He has won more than just a PvP series.
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On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid. He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B. Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.
Ice is hot? what are you on?
He is an expert whether you like it or not. He knows more about this game than anyone.
I don't care what he said during one specific game, and I'm way too tired to go back and watch it again.
Artosis has done huge amounts of good calls too. He knows the Korean scene as his own pocket. He's an expert commentator for crying out loud. You really think that your starcraft knowledge is deeper than his?
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On August 27 2011 14:42 SimDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid. He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B. Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot. Winning a PvP series is great and all but it doesn't make you good. Hongun takes way too many risks to be considered good, and the only reason he's considered good in Korea is that there are so few competitive Protoss there.
Yeah thing is that Hongun has won actually quite more than a few PvP series. And since when taking risks made someone bad? Flash used(don't know if his play has changed much) to take some pretty ridiculous risks too, and nobody considers him bad.
Sorry but Hongun is the 2nd best protoss in korea, that means that he is at least "decent".
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On August 27 2011 14:46 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.
Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me. Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do. Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid. He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B. Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot. You really think that your starcraft knowledge is deeper than his?
He's a hipster. He likes to be a contrapuntal just to look cool if his opinions get proven correct later. I don't need to know more than him or less than him to spot his ridiculous criticisms of players. If you ride a guy and then he goes on to make top four in the hardest league in the world and then you still ride him you only lose credibility.
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On August 27 2011 14:38 hjkim1304 wrote:
In Korea, Hongun is considered as one of the best protosses. And I'm a fan of him too. Remember that he was probably only one of the few that made carriers and succeeded in GSL.
Yeah but that was like in season... 3? wasn't it?
Wasn't that the same season as when every single terran tugged all of their SCVs off their mineral line to almost 100% victory against zergs, and Rain was a finalist in the GSL?
Alot's happened since then. I just don't think Hongun plays a solid style, that's all. He's not bad by any means, but he's far from a great player that will last, unlike Nestea, MVP, NaDa, MC etc.
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