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wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
August 27 2011 05:33 GMT
#9781
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


To an extent. Your criticisms should be professional and they should be valid. Criticisms that are personal and are proven wrong DURING GAMES HE WINS destroy all Artosis's credibility on the subject of HongUn.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
August 27 2011 05:33 GMT
#9782
Oboy, was this a good night of Starcraft. Good stream (no, I don't remember the start...), good cast, good games and good nigh..morning. Can't wait for D2. Take care guys.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Shorty90
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany154 Posts
August 27 2011 05:33 GMT
#9783
7:30 am here...
thx for an awesome night MLG
I can't believe I ate the whole thing.
DrOmni
Profile Joined March 2011
United States128 Posts
August 27 2011 05:33 GMT
#9784
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


He has also made a ton of correct calls. Neither argument is actually a good one.
"Marcus, that is also not a good use of a third command center!" - Day9
frostalgia
Profile Joined March 2011
United States178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 05:36:27
August 27 2011 05:34 GMT
#9785
Tastosis was awesome all day considering they had to have been hella-jet lagged. and Day9 was pretty good too for being on pain killers. xD
would've loved some PTR discussion though
we are all but shadows in the void
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
August 27 2011 05:34 GMT
#9786
On August 27 2011 14:33 wats0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


To an extent. Your criticisms should be professional and they should be valid. Criticisms that are personal and are proven wrong DURING GAMES HE WINS destroy all Artosis's credibility on the subject of HongUn.

Nonetheless, he can still express his opinion
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
August 27 2011 05:35 GMT
#9787
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Pyskee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 05:38:20
August 27 2011 05:38 GMT
#9788
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt

Umm, Artosis has made a bunch of good calls. He's probably one of the most knowledgeable public figures in SC2.
"If you really don't give a shit what brand you chew, chew Stride." - Liquid'Tyler. Gives shoutouts like a boss.
hjkim1304
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)105 Posts
August 27 2011 05:38 GMT
#9789
In Korea, Hongun is considered as one of the best protosses. And I'm a fan of him too. Remember that he was probably only one of the few that made carriers and succeeded in GSL.
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
August 27 2011 05:39 GMT
#9790
On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.


Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.
Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 05:45:55
August 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#9791
Notable players still in the running for a Pool play slot from Open Bracket:

Slot 1: Drewbie, Ostojiy, OneWBC, Puma

Slot 2: KawaiiRice, DeMuslim, Jinro, TriMaster

Slot 3: Grubby, Noblesse

Slot 4: Tyler, Inka, Hero, Painuser

Let me know if there are any errors. If Puma wins slot 1, he'll be seeded into Pool D as all the other seeds would be lower than him. The rest we'll have to wait and see.

edit: updated
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
August 27 2011 05:42 GMT
#9792
On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.


Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.


Winning a PvP series is great and all but it doesn't make you good. Hongun takes way too many risks to be considered good, and the only reason he's considered good in Korea is that there are so few competitive Protoss there.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 05:45:49
August 27 2011 05:43 GMT
#9793
Wish we coulda heard the hilarious sotg guys a bit longer but they must be tired, probably shouldn't have really called it "sotg" kinda gets expectations up when their shows are usually 2 hours.

Sundance and mlg doing a good job. Never seen that other guy before, find it kinda funny that the guys running mlg look like former frat bros who can probably smash a coconut in their biceps, not really what youd expect lol. They do a good job though and listen to feedback, looking forward to tomorrow.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
August 27 2011 05:44 GMT
#9794
On August 27 2011 14:42 Kiyo. wrote:
Notable players still in the running for a Pool play slot from Open Bracket:

Slot 1: Drewbie, Ostojiy, OneWBC, Puma

Slot 2: KawaiiRice, DeMuslim, Jinro, TriMaster

Slot 3: Grubby, Noblesse

Slot 4: Tyler, Hero, Painuser

Let me know if there are any errors.


You ignored Inka in slot 4 and possibly ttn114 in slot 3, I mention the latter because he beat Gatored and Cruncher so he may have some chance against Grubby, but not much against Noblesse.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 27 2011 05:45 GMT
#9795
On August 27 2011 14:33 DrOmni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


He has also made a ton of correct calls. Neither argument is actually a good one.


he has, my pint being is that people shouldn't take what Artosis says as a Gospel. Which some people do.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
August 27 2011 05:45 GMT
#9796
On August 27 2011 14:42 SimDawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.


Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.


Winning a PvP series is great and all but it doesn't make you good. Hongun takes way too many risks to be considered good, and the only reason he's considered good in Korea is that there are so few competitive Protoss there.


Okay let's not pretend that HongUn isn't rank 13 in the GSL. He has won more than just a PvP series.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
August 27 2011 05:46 GMT
#9797
On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.


Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.


Ice is hot? what are you on?
He is an expert whether you like it or not. He knows more about this game than anyone.
I don't care what he said during one specific game, and I'm way too tired to go back and watch it again.
Artosis has done huge amounts of good calls too. He knows the Korean scene as his own pocket. He's an expert commentator for crying out loud. You really think that your starcraft knowledge is deeper than his?
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
August 27 2011 05:49 GMT
#9798
On August 27 2011 14:42 SimDawg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.


Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.


Winning a PvP series is great and all but it doesn't make you good. Hongun takes way too many risks to be considered good, and the only reason he's considered good in Korea is that there are so few competitive Protoss there.


Yeah thing is that Hongun has won actually quite more than a few PvP series. And since when taking risks made someone bad? Flash used(don't know if his play has changed much) to take some pretty ridiculous risks too, and nobody considers him bad.

Sorry but Hongun is the 2nd best protoss in korea, that means that he is at least "decent".
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
August 27 2011 05:49 GMT
#9799
On August 27 2011 14:46 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 14:39 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:35 Euronyme wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:31 windsupernova wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:28 GrungyMunchy wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:25 wats0n wrote:
On August 27 2011 14:22 Xxavi wrote:
I know that HongUn has been one of the more consistent Protosses in GSL, but I can see why Artosis and others make fun of him. He just feels a gimmicky type of player. Never did I watch him and felt very solid play, abundance of class, if you will.

Kinda what you feel when you watch Nestea, MVP, MC, Bomber etc. It's just not there with HongUn. Mostly, it's all shaky, gimmicky play. It's not a surprise that he is not a real contender for GSL either, for me.

Being criticized by a player 1/1000th their skill is a joke

That was never a good point to be made, I have no idea why people keep saying stuff like this. You can criticize something you yourself can't do, that's what art/music/movie critics do.


Yeah but Lets be honest Artosis has made so many wrong calls that people should really take him with a grain of salt


That's not about him 'calling' something. It's about Hongun not playing solid. Artosis is an expert commentator who watches everything starcraft for a living. If he says someone isn't playing solid, He ain't playing solid.
He might still do well though (bitbybit-effect) but it's not going to last unless he seriously switches up his play. The game is still young, and there are still people high up who don't deserve to be there in comparison to many in code B.


Except that he may as well be arguing that ice is hot in some of those HongUn series and that destroys his credibility on the subject. Hardly makes him an expert if he's going to say something that is completely wrong and untrue. Go back and watch HongUn vs. MC. Look for Artosis's comments. You can't take him serious on the issue and if you do then you probably would agree that ice is hot.


You really think that your starcraft knowledge is deeper than his?


He's a hipster. He likes to be a contrapuntal just to look cool if his opinions get proven correct later. I don't need to know more than him or less than him to spot his ridiculous criticisms of players. If you ride a guy and then he goes on to make top four in the hardest league in the world and then you still ride him you only lose credibility.
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August 27 2011 05:50 GMT
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On August 27 2011 14:38 hjkim1304 wrote:
In Korea, Hongun is considered as one of the best protosses. And I'm a fan of him too. Remember that he was probably only one of the few that made carriers and succeeded in GSL.


Yeah but that was like in season... 3? wasn't it?
Wasn't that the same season as when every single terran tugged all of their SCVs off their mineral line to almost 100% victory against zergs, and Rain was a finalist in the GSL?

Alot's happened since then. I just don't think Hongun plays a solid style, that's all. He's not bad by any means, but he's far from a great player that will last, unlike Nestea, MVP, NaDa, MC etc.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
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