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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:57 poorcloud wrote: Polt just dosen't seem to be good enough at t v t (Despite beating mma, but that was months ago and he really did have some nice build orders which gave him the advantage), seeing how he got manhandled by bomber/mvp in the games he played against them. Yup, he's been totally unimpressive TvT. The Super Tournament finals were still in the Marine/Tank days, and he played beautifully in that series, but the game has evolved since then. The Marauder/tank style just looks really weak vs mech IMO, which seems to be the way he plays every time against meching opponents. | ||
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Toxi78
966 Posts
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:00 PartyBiscuit wrote: He played Blizzcon in Poland on the main stage (unless you meant it was his first at the IEM event, in which case, that's true). Either way, Nerchio plays pretty terribly against Koreans (though most people do), I think he's only ever won against Cezanne - but has been swept by every Non-Zerg Korean he's faced (MKP, Vines, Puma, Hwangsin, maybe a couple others). He won with Rain recently. In the same tournament Tarson 2-0 sC  Quick question - PuMa won only NASL and is top Terran, right? So is FruitDealer top Zerg, he won GSL? | ||
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skrotcyk
Sweden432 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:55 Nadarath wrote: You do know that it was 1st ever Nerchio match on main stage ? Nerves can get to everyone even the best. I hope in his next big tournament Nerchio will do much better since he wont be on same stress level. Yeah i know he never does good at lans, and that he would get roled pretty hard by puma and that is why i'm suprised he had so many votes. | ||
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skrotcyk
Sweden432 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:04 CDR wrote: He won with Rain recently. In the same tournament Tarson 2-0 sC Quick question - PuMa won only NASL and is top Terran, right? So is FruitDealer top Zerg, he won GSL? FruitDealer won GSL 1 year ago, a little dif story there bro | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:04 CDR wrote: He won with Rain recently. In the same tournament Tarson 2-0 sC Quick question - PuMa won only NASL and is top Terran, right? So is FruitDealer top Zerg, he won GSL? Your question is rather dumb since FD won GSL loooong ago. | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:02 AxionSteel wrote: Yup, he's been totally unimpressive TvT. The Super Tournament finals were still in the Marine/Tank days, and he played beautifully in that series, but the game has evolved since then. The Marauder/tank style just looks really weak vs mech IMO, which seems to be the way he plays every time against meching opponents. That style has such a weakness to air it leads to people getting small numbers of banshees to wreck face. I fuckin' love games like that! | ||
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:04 CDR wrote: He won with Rain recently. In the same tournament Tarson 2-0 sC Quick question - PuMa won only NASL and is top Terran, right? So is FruitDealer top Zerg, he won GSL? FruitDealer is the man, best name in the game so he doesn´t even have to win games to be top zerg. | ||
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dohee
England84 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:04 CDR wrote: He won with Rain recently. In the same tournament Tarson 2-0 sC Quick question - PuMa won only NASL and is top Terran, right? So is FruitDealer top Zerg, he won GSL? What has that got to do with the post you quoted? And fruitdealer's win was like a year ago... at that time yes he was top level zerg | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:06 s4life wrote: Your question is rather dumb since FD won GSL loooong ago. It also doesn't take into account the fact that Puma was a GSTL ace before switching teams. That's a really big sign of skill. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:05 skrotcyk wrote: Yeah i know he never does good at lans, and that he would get roled pretty hard by puma and that is why i'm suprised he had so many votes. How can you know he never was good at LANs when it was his first LAN event? | ||
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theliman2000
United States45 Posts
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skrotcyk
Sweden432 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:08 s4life wrote: How can you know he never was good at LANs when it was his first LAN event? it wasn't his first LAN event... Also he wouldn't have had much chance against puma even if it was online Not saying nerchio is bad, but just by winning against eu/na players in eu online cups or ipl doesn't mean that he is gonna have any chance against a top korean | ||
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Xercen
United Kingdom375 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:08 s4life wrote: How can you know he never was good at LANs when it was his first LAN event? he played in eu blizzcon | ||
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Causality~
Norway150 Posts
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:05 skrotcyk wrote: FruitDealer won GSL 1 year ago, a little dif story there bro Different story, same logic. For me it's simple, if you wanna be called one of the best, you have to play with the best. In this case Code S or at least Code A. I don't think MMA, Polt, MVP or Bomber will lose a map to Stephano or a game to MaNa (I assume PuMa didn't lose on purpose). If you can't get to the top and stay there, I won't consider you "top player". But it doesn't mean that I don't have respect for PuMa and his skills, imo he hasn't proved yet to be a top player and I'd love to see him do that. I don't doubt that he can compete at a high level but I'm not convienced that he deserves the hype he has. I honestly think that some less known players (like Taeja) are better atm. I hope we will se MaNa - PuMa final | ||
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:14 Causality~ wrote: hmmm, need for speed as an esport.... kinda fail no? imo they should have e-sport in all games possible. if it´s a game i find boring to watch I can just swap and watch another one. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:02 s4life wrote: I can't understand how people can claim Puma is worse than MMA or Bomber just coz he isn't in code S. SC2 is a freaking random game imho... you see players going 10-0 in the previous tournament -- Sase and Huk in DH -- going 0-6 in this one... and it's not like they are in bad shape or anything... Sase just got second place in a korean tournament a few days ago losing to MKP in the finals. So fanboys, stop making a big deal out of individual results or irrelevant code X labels. Puma can beat the shit out of MMA or Bomber anytime, and I am not even a Puma fan. Thing is the following. Sure thing, Puma is skilled, he's very very good and he definitely CAN beat MMA or bomber, however, Code X label is by no means irrelevant. Code X label means a high skill level sustained over a period of time. When a player like DRG can't make it into code A it says that while at his best he's a beast, he cannot sustain a high level play for extended periods of time. This probably means that if Puma and Bomber played a Bo15 or sth ridiculously long like that, bomber would win, because if Puma can't make it into the GSL and STAY in it, it means he's not consistent enough, and consistency is an important part of skill. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On August 19 2011 23:20 mordk wrote: Thing is the following. Sure thing, Puma is skilled, he's very very good and he definitely CAN beat MMA or bomber, however, Code X label is by no means irrelevant. Code X label means a high skill level sustained over a period of time. When a player like DRG can't make it into code A it says that while at his best he's a beast, he cannot sustain a high level play for extended periods of time. This probably means that if Puma and Bomber played a Bo15 or sth ridiculously long like that, bomber would win, because if Puma can't make it into the GSL and STAY in it, it means he's not consistent enough, and consistency is an important part of skill. Except the turnover for code S players is extremely high making your whole argument pretty flaky imho. Oh and Puma being code B and Bomber being code S do not mean bomber would win a BoX for a large X, over Puma, unless among other things, Bomber got to code S beating all the opponents Puma wasn't able to beat. | ||
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