EPTAlso:
Are there better KR Terrans then Puma?
Yes.
Does it mean he is "low lvl"?
No.
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MurtiBing
30 Posts
Also: Are there better KR Terrans then Puma? Yes. Does it mean he is "low lvl"? No. | ||
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claash
Poland472 Posts
On August 19 2011 21:54 MrBitter wrote: It's not that the atmosphere is bad. The atmosphere is incredible. I've never seen more nerds in one place in my life. Fans here aren't as hyped for Starcraft (when compared to something like an MLG, or the Blizz invitation in Poland, for example) because its not a "pure Starcraft" audience. Lots of people here for LoL, tons (literally thousands) here to play Diablo 3, and more than anything else, there's just a bajillion people here because they love playing video games. The Starcraft purists are a bit in the minority. It's not because of IEM. It's because of Gamescom - the biggest video game trade show in the world. And its not a bad thing... Its great exposure for the game. I can't tell you guys how many people have come up to me and asked about Starcraft only to have me send them to TL.  hmm ok i think you are right sir^^ but as i said.ive been there last year-in the "germany area you know"?  the atmosphere was EXCELLENT but when i came back to my hotel i checked the comments on my laptop and everyone said "the atmosphere is bad" which i couldnt understand..hmmm...they should catch it better?its much much louder than on the stream. thanks for quoting me by the way! XD and yes gamescom is even sicker and bigger than E3 and when i came home my ears were hurting:/ | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:05 Gondlem wrote: What's with the idea that you can't be a high level Korean progamer without making code A? What about Sage, Bomber, DRG etc? Are they all low level players too because they couldn't make code A through multiple attempts? It's hard to qualify, but beating MC in a bo7 final makes you a top tier player. There's very few people in the world who could do that. Oh, so he's able to win NASL (through open bracket, full of other KR players) and beat MC in bo7 but he can't get to Code A? How is that? DRG is overrated in my opinion, he had some good performances in GSTL and was called top 3 Zerg. Then he lost in the second round of Code A. Poor performance for top 3 zerg imo. | ||
PhiLtheFisH
Germany442 Posts
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dohee
England84 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:27 CDR wrote: Oh, so he's able to win NASL (through open bracket, full of other KR players) and beat MC in bo7 but he can't get to Code A? How is that? DRG is overrated in my opinion, he had some good performances in GSTL and was called top 3 Zerg. Then he lost in the second round of Code A. Poor performance for top 3 zerg imo. MC wins Code S multiple times but loses to Puma in a bo7. How is that? | ||
poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
No doubt that puma is a fantastic player though. I put him in the tier 2 korean terrans. tier 1 : MVP Bomber tier 1.5 : MMA ter 2 : Byun, Polt Puma | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:30 dohee wrote: MC wins Code S multiple times but loses to Puma in a bo7. How is that? He is to arrogant to be stable with his results (like GSL August and his picks). My guess is he didn't prepared good enough. PuMa studied his play and prepared good answers to his strats. I don't think anyone here would say that PuMa > MC Polt won GSL Super Tournament, he is tier 1 for sure | ||
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dpL
Sweden571 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:30 dohee wrote: MC wins Code S multiple times but loses to Puma in a bo7. How is that? The tides go in, the tides go out. You can't explain that! | ||
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
On August 19 2011 21:54 MrBitter wrote: It's not that the atmosphere is bad. The atmosphere is incredible. I've never seen more nerds in one place in my life. Fans here aren't as hyped for Starcraft (when compared to something like an MLG, or the Blizz invitation in Poland, for example) because its not a "pure Starcraft" audience. Lots of people here for LoL, tons (literally thousands) here to play Diablo 3, and more than anything else, there's just a bajillion people here because they love playing video games. The Starcraft purists are a bit in the minority. It's not because of IEM. It's because of Gamescom - the biggest video game trade show in the world. And its not a bad thing... Its great exposure for the game. I can't tell you guys how many people have come up to me and asked about Starcraft only to have me send them to TL. Not arguing with anything your saying about attitude etc but isn't PAX larger? Just curious I haven't looked at the numbers so you would know better. | ||
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dohee
England84 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:33 dpL wrote: The tides go in, the tides go out. You can't explain that! but... but the moon... | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:27 CDR wrote: Oh, so he's able to win NASL (through open bracket, full of other KR players) and beat MC in bo7 but he can't get to Code A? How is that? DRG is overrated in my opinion, he had some good performances in GSTL and was called top 3 Zerg. Then he lost in the second round of Code A. Poor performance for top 3 zerg imo. "some good performances in GSTL" that's the biggest understatement I've ever heard if you try to argue that all the players in code A are better than puma, then that's just stupid players like puma/DRG/Bomber in the past have all proven that they aren't just 1 time GSTL performers who happened to have a lucky day. How many players in code a could we say are capable of beating MC in a bo7? DRG is single handedly worth like half of people's fantasy gstl points and has NOT lost this season getting 2 3 kills and 1 all kill I believe against top notch opponents. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:27 CDR wrote: Oh, so he's able to win NASL (through open bracket, full of other KR players) and beat MC in bo7 but he can't get to Code A? How is that? DRG is overrated in my opinion, he had some good performances in GSTL and was called top 3 Zerg. Then he lost in the second round of Code A. Poor performance for top 3 zerg imo. Easy, you lose one bo3 and you're locked out of code A for a couple of months. It's cutthroat and unforgiving. Whether or not DRG is overrated, he's clearly a top tier Korean zerg, and he didn't make it for a long time because qualifying is so hard and one mistake can leave you stuck out of Code A for a long time. If people were saying Puma was the best terran in Korea, his inability to make code A might be relevant, but saying he can't be one of the better terrans around without making it is crazy, same as it was with Bomber when he couldn't make code A. | ||
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dpL
Sweden571 Posts
How did all that cheese get up there in the first place? You can't explain that! | ||
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On August 19 2011 21:27 deathly rat wrote: The only thing I can think of is that he should of meta-gamed him knowing that he always goes for all-ins and made tons of spines or something. Except he didn't all-in. All-in = you throw everything into the push knowing that it's your only shot and there is no followup plan. Expanding behind your push and not sacrificing tons of your econ would not be an all in. That and throwing up tons of spines will just let Puma take map control and get his third faster which would be just as bad for Z. On August 19 2011 21:29 DeG3n wrote: Puma just all ined first and third game.... even though he did it perfectly Hitting a timing window =/= all in. | ||
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Joey Wheeler
Korea (North)276 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:27 CDR wrote: Oh, so he's able to win NASL (through open bracket, full of other KR players) and beat MC in bo7 but he can't get to Code A? How is that? DRG is overrated in my opinion, he had some good performances in GSTL and was called top 3 Zerg. Then he lost in the second round of Code A. Poor performance for top 3 zerg imo. Sometimes you have to look at what happened in certain series. Just look at Losira who got knocked out to the up and down matches after making it into the semis. In DRG vs JYP, dong wins the first game. In the second game he opens with 6pool, evens it up but eventually he loses because he doesn`t have the right composition to deal with Jyp`s archons, in the third game he takes the gold first on metalopolis, then loses because he transitions into hydralisks while Jyp goes for fast colossus. SC2 is too volatile to judge a player off one series. Being 10-0 in GSTL however, that`s different. | ||
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skrotcyk
Sweden432 Posts
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:16 MurtiBing wrote: Before the game Nerchio said that he will adapt to Puma's playstyle and then completely failed to do that. Also Puma in a lot better shape today (jetlag gone?) Also: Are there better KR Terrans then Puma? Yes. Does it mean he is "low lvl"? No. I haven't seen the match v Nerchio yet but yesterday on the stream PuMa looked a bit run down (coughing etc.) glad to hear he picked his game up. Yeah PuMa is easily a top 64 Korea (ie Code A) why he isnt in code A is partly his own choosing. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 19 2011 22:32 poorcloud wrote: well mc hasn't been that dominating since he won his 2nd GSL. No doubt that puma is a fantastic player though. I put him in the tier 2 korean terrans. tier 1 : MVP Bomber tier 1.5 : MMA ter 2 : Byun, Polt Puma 100% agreed, although idk too much about Byun tbh. Great showing in TvT, rather weak in the 2 other matchups. If he had a strong 2nd matchup then I'd feel a bit better putting him there. Puma seems to have strong all-around matchups but not outstanding in anything. We're getting a rematch of Polt vs. MMA soon so that should be good to see how Polt can fare when MMA is in better condition and is better attuned to the metagame. Then there's players who you know can hang up there like MKP and sC but are just all over the place from tournament to tournament. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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