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BilltownRunner
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
August 18 2011 21:06 GMT
#41
Why are so many people picking mana over moonglade? I thought mana's pvz sucked, and its PVZ. Moonglade took out huk but I guess I didn't see mana vs stephano. Appears mana has stepped up his game.
Sphaero
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 21:09:17
August 18 2011 21:07 GMT
#42
Well, the bracket is actually pretty good for Socke. He is atleast on the right side of it. If he can bring out his A game I can see him going into the finals.

Kas looks strong as always, so the series will probably be very close. However , going by Socke´s games in group play and the fact that PvT is his best MU, I believe that Socke will come out ahead.

In the semis would wait either Puma or Nerchio (their series is also really hard to predict). Both players are defenitly doable opponents IMO. Puma looked kinda shaky against Mana, so I can see him going down against a Protoss of the same calibre. Against Nerchio Socke has already shown online (Shoutcraft Inv.) aswell as offline (Bnet Inv. EU) that he has the right tools to take him down.

Unfortunately, in the finals he would probably face a Toss (I don´t see Select taking out MC and Mana, unless he steps up his game quite a bit, same with moonglade) and his Mirror is not on par with his other MUs and has often been his downfall in big tournaments.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 18 2011 21:08 GMT
#43
On August 19 2011 06:06 BilltownRunner wrote:
Why are so many people picking mana over moonglade? I thought mana's pvz sucked, and its PVZ. Moonglade took out huk but I guess I didn't see mana vs stephano. Appears mana has stepped up his game.


His PvZ sucked a few weeks/month ago. It's gotten way better. Huk and Moonglade both played terribly but Huk managed to play even worse. As someone else said Huk lost 2 games and Moonglade lost 1.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 18 2011 21:12 GMT
#44
On August 19 2011 06:04 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 06:01 bgx wrote:
On August 19 2011 05:41 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On August 19 2011 05:37 bgx wrote:
Even if i cheer my freaking heart out for Nerchio im afraid his general roach centric style is the bane of his zvt. I hope he stepped up his game lately. Puma in his best is to good player to try roach/infestor shenanigans imho, you have to play straight muta style. Well roach/inf may be ok only if he is super aggresive revolving about certain timings and catching him off-guard he has mechanics to pull it off.


You have never played Nerchio the way you speak. Nerchio is insanely good at reading the game and has insane timings. If you push him, he has enough. If you defend, he's greedy and gets his tech up. Its incredible hard to play against him and I feel that the only real way of defeating him is dropping a lot while applying pressure.

GoOdy also said that you have to suprise him, because he's just really good at defending and reading the game ;-)


By any means im not underestimating Nerchio, im just giving away my honest worries. Nerchio doesnt play such opponents often, and he still lacks experience to read through them, because he doesnt play them often, yes i mean top Koreans. That ofcourse doesnt mean he cannot still pwn the shit out of Puma because he is more than Capable of doing it. On the other hand its the same way for Puma, as you said Nerchio has particular style of play, and if Puma doest prepare of course he will lose.



My biggest concerns for nerchio are his nerves on the one hand, and on the other he isn't
too familiar with the korean cheeses / hard timing pushes.
I can see him lose downright to some silly timing because he isn't prepared or doesn't know it / how to read it. But if it goes into a management style of game, i clearly favor nerchio.

Stephano demolished puma really really hard on shattered temple, he's really really beatable.

Yes managment game is his strong asset.

Ill dare to say that who will be first to dictate the pace of the game wins the series. Its often overlooked but sometimes its the most important aspect of the game, if 2 aggresive players meet(relatively speaking), the one who dictates game has upper hand. And ironically the biggest factor on that lies outside of the game which are nerves and winning 1st game is vital for it.

Stork[gm]
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
August 18 2011 21:15 GMT
#45
On August 19 2011 06:04 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 06:01 bgx wrote:
On August 19 2011 05:41 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On August 19 2011 05:37 bgx wrote:
Even if i cheer my freaking heart out for Nerchio im afraid his general roach centric style is the bane of his zvt. I hope he stepped up his game lately. Puma in his best is to good player to try roach/infestor shenanigans imho, you have to play straight muta style. Well roach/inf may be ok only if he is super aggresive revolving about certain timings and catching him off-guard he has mechanics to pull it off.


You have never played Nerchio the way you speak. Nerchio is insanely good at reading the game and has insane timings. If you push him, he has enough. If you defend, he's greedy and gets his tech up. Its incredible hard to play against him and I feel that the only real way of defeating him is dropping a lot while applying pressure.

GoOdy also said that you have to suprise him, because he's just really good at defending and reading the game ;-)


By any means im not underestimating Nerchio, im just giving away my honest worries. Nerchio doesnt play such opponents often, and he still lacks experience to read through them, because he doesnt play them often, yes i mean top Koreans. That ofcourse doesnt mean he cannot still pwn the shit out of Puma because he is more than Capable of doing it. On the other hand its the same way for Puma, as you said Nerchio has particular style of play, and if Puma doest prepare of course he will lose.



My biggest concerns for nerchio are his nerves on the one hand, and on the other he isn't
too familiar with the korean cheeses / hard timing pushes.
I can see him lose downright to some silly timing because he isn't prepared or doesn't know it / how to read it. But if it goes into a management style of game, i clearly favor nerchio.

Stephano demolished puma really really hard on shattered temple, he's really really beatable.

Yeah, especially TvZ. Puma just doesn't seem to have extremely solid play. His TvZ relies on dealing lots of early harass dmg (ie not MVP style), and just never gives the feeling of "omg, there is literally nothing his opponent can do". In NASL, his vZ certainly relied a lot on huge surprise with harass, either with lots of hellion, banshees or more hellions. The one game that went sort of normal by TvZ standards was vs July on Taldarim and it wasn't even close. His vs P was up and down. Some matches, he seemed unstoppable with the best Terran micro you have ever seen. Other times, he died to random pushes and made lots of wrong decisions. His multitasking and micro is superb, his macro is ok but not great and he had supply block problems today as well as scv producing trouble. His expansion timings aren't the best either. His TvP certainly does seem to rely on winning engagements handily. His TvZ seems a little gimicky. Haven't seen much of his TvT but I think it is his best matchup and from the little I've seen in GSTL, it looks beastly. Haven't seen his mech though.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3420 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 21:17:31
August 18 2011 21:17 GMT
#46
It really is adorable how biased the TL predictions for IEM were.
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 21:21:27
August 18 2011 21:21 GMT
#47
NO!! Select has crazy good tvp.. PLEASE DON'T LOSE MCCC!!!!
MC is just so fuckin fun to watch.... like his game against killer when he built 20+ pheonixes and chargelots...
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
August 18 2011 21:23 GMT
#48
On August 19 2011 05:34 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Socke can beat Kas but Kas won over MC in SK Championstrophy (2-1) today

Hey, what's this tournament you're talking about ?
chaopow
Profile Joined March 2011
United States556 Posts
August 18 2011 21:24 GMT
#49
Socke, Puma, MC, Mana are my predictions

Sad for SeleCT
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mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
August 18 2011 21:24 GMT
#50
On August 19 2011 05:23 Micket wrote:
omg, Puma was so inteligent losing to Mana, his bracket is so much easier than the other side, although Nerchio may prove to be difficult. We have yet to see super standard TvZ with Puma. Against Ret, he did 11/11 then reactor hellion - banshee. Against July, he did double reactor hellions, mass bfh and bunker rush. We still do not know how solid his openings truly are so we may see upset if Nerchio defends well.


You know that the bracket draw was done at random? He had no way of knowing who he would face and which players would be at what side of the bracket. It's COMPLETELY random.
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
August 18 2011 21:27 GMT
#51
On August 19 2011 06:23 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 05:34 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Socke can beat Kas but Kas won over MC in SK Championstrophy (2-1) today

Hey, what's this tournament you're talking about ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255713
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
August 18 2011 21:30 GMT
#52
On August 19 2011 06:27 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 06:23 Lylat wrote:
On August 19 2011 05:34 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Socke can beat Kas but Kas won over MC in SK Championstrophy (2-1) today

Hey, what's this tournament you're talking about ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255713

Oh cool, thanks, silly me I typed 'SK' or 'SK trophy' in the search bar :/
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
August 18 2011 21:32 GMT
#53
On August 19 2011 05:23 Micket wrote:
omg, Puma was so inteligent losing to Mana, his bracket is so much easier than the other side, although Nerchio may prove to be difficult. We have yet to see super standard TvZ with Puma. Against Ret, he did 11/11 then reactor hellion - banshee. Against July, he did double reactor hellions, mass bfh and bunker rush. We still do not know how solid his openings truly are so we may see upset if Nerchio defends well.


The bracket was an outcome of a random draw of 9 different bracket options that the rules allowed.

a) Group winner has to meet group runner up in the 1/4 final.
b) Players from the same group cannot meet until the final.

I doubt that the defeat was planned (especially that he had a 1 in 3 chance to meet MC in the first round).
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dc302
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia576 Posts
August 18 2011 21:38 GMT
#54
Very stoked about the amazingly balanced number of players per race!! Should be good.
...
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
August 18 2011 21:39 GMT
#55
On August 19 2011 06:21 koolaid1990 wrote:
NO!! Select has crazy good tvp.. PLEASE DON'T LOSE MCCC!!!!
MC is just so fuckin fun to watch.... like his game against killer when he built 20+ pheonixes and chargelots...


Socke beat him, I think MC is fine
Maybe
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 18 2011 21:42 GMT
#56
On August 19 2011 06:39 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 06:21 koolaid1990 wrote:
NO!! Select has crazy good tvp.. PLEASE DON'T LOSE MCCC!!!!
MC is just so fuckin fun to watch.... like his game against killer when he built 20+ pheonixes and chargelots...


Socke beat him, I think MC is fine
Maybe


I dunno. Korean Protosses are in a strange state currently. They seem to be into these heavy timing based plays and super aggression where as socke is more of a chillax let's see who can go on every front in late game type guy. That being said MC has sick multitasking so I hope he decides to go with his mechanics instead of his very odd korean metagame business
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
August 18 2011 21:51 GMT
#57
On August 19 2011 06:32 Carmac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 05:23 Micket wrote:
omg, Puma was so inteligent losing to Mana, his bracket is so much easier than the other side, although Nerchio may prove to be difficult. We have yet to see super standard TvZ with Puma. Against Ret, he did 11/11 then reactor hellion - banshee. Against July, he did double reactor hellions, mass bfh and bunker rush. We still do not know how solid his openings truly are so we may see upset if Nerchio defends well.


The bracket was an outcome of a random draw of 9 different bracket options that the rules allowed.

a) Group winner has to meet group runner up in the 1/4 final.
b) Players from the same group cannot meet until the final.

I doubt that the defeat was planned (especially that he had a 1 in 3 chance to meet MC in the first round).

Ah ok, he got outplayed then.
IplayTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany42 Posts
August 18 2011 21:55 GMT
#58
GO SELECT GO MOONGLADE! KEEP FIGHTING!
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
August 18 2011 21:57 GMT
#59
Prediction:

SeleCT > MC
MaNa > mOOnGlaDe
Socke > Kas
PuMa > Nerchio

SeleCT > MaNa
PuMa > Socke

PuMa > SeleCT

I have a ton of faith in SeleCT right now.
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 21:58:59
August 18 2011 21:57 GMT
#60
is it bo3 or bo5 for the quarter finals ?
i suppose bo5 as last iem but it's not written in the thread =s
also my predictions :
select > mc (select so good TvP !!)
mana > moonglade (mana on fire lately and he improve his PvZ, going 2-3 vs dima is an achievment in itself)
nerchio > puma (nerchio is a beast)
kas = socke, most interesting match, really can't decide who i consider my favourite
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