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Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
August 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#2601
Ret is definitely the top EU zerg at the moment in my opinion.
Awesome results at MLG and playing dominantly at the EU Blizzard invitational.
Strangely he seems to get overlooked a lot though - despite being well known in the community.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#2602
so funny how mana has 60 supply^^
Wawarox
Profile Joined July 2011
161 Posts
August 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#2603
On August 20 2011 02:20 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 02:17 Wawarox wrote:
On August 20 2011 02:11 s3rp wrote:
On August 20 2011 02:08 mordk wrote:
On August 20 2011 02:05 Wawarox wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:56 mordk wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:51 s3rp wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:48 Welmu wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:45 andrewlt wrote:
On August 20 2011 01:32 raga4ka wrote:
[quote]

Pros have been doing it for years in BW also .



I find it funny that BW Terrans imported many of their BW strategies (drops all over, harrass, siege tank pushes) almost immediately to SC2 and tried to make them work. Protoss seem to just be rediscovering what they did for years in BW. Sure, they tried it every now and then, but it seemed they gave up pretty quickly and are now just trying them again.

That warp prism play is very situational. One viking will shut warp prism completely since they are so weak



The Warpprism has 140 HP ( combined ) thats just 10 less then a Medivac. Its not like 1 Viking will instantly kill it.


There's one gigantic difference between terran dropping and protoss dropping. Terran dropping is instant damage, what I mean is that once units are dropped, the damage is done, and it doesn't really matter too much if the medivac is lost. In comparison, when using WP as protoss, you NEED the WP to survive, either to warp in more units, or to give mobility and enough survivability to HTs (or any other unit) to actually cause damage.

This is essential, because in order to shut down medivacs, you need a viking squad, or a stalker ball, or a muta flock, so you can kill it BEFORE it drops. Against WP, you need only one or 2 units, because if you can threaten the WP to die, the strat is mostly shut down. The one exception is the type of battle which happened in this SeleCT vs MC game, since once the HTs are dropped and the templars are spent, the WP might as well die, it doesn't matter that much.


No.
Only difference is that wp can't be used for something else than drap/warp, so you have to get them only for that. The damage done by wp and drops are the same


Absolutely not, the quick damage by terran drops in not comparable to WP drops, have you seen how long it takes 8 marines to destroy a zerg base? How about 8 marauders taking down a nexus. If 2 medivacs manage to drop a base, the damage is done, it's hard and it's almost instantaneous. A 4 zealot drop in comparison, takes long even to kill some SCVs, they're completely different.


BUT that has nothing to do with the Medivac/WP but the Units that are dropped. Drop 4 DT and they'll do insane damage as well . Protoss doesn't have the greatest units to harass besides DT's yes but this has nothing to do with WP/Medivac themselves.


vs planetary
8 marines + stim => 35 sec
4 zealots => 45 sec
so in a way you are right about the initial damage, but yeah, if you can warp in, zealots => 22 sec, so more risqy but more effective if you manage to do it

Why would you do a comparison of marines and zealots with a planetary fortress, a building with a large amount of armour, and one which a drop will never destroy. Choose something more practical and less biased towards the Protoss. How about the amount of kills against retreating workers? Or how long it takes to destory a spawning pool.


for the simple reason that hatcheries and spawning pools are not in the hit calculator that i have

Metaltoss
Profile Joined April 2011
France781 Posts
August 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#2604
MAKE A FORGE fffffffffffffffffff
ShrimpDance
Profile Joined September 2010
392 Posts
August 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#2605
Cmon glade, find that Nexus!
branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
August 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#2606
Swear to god if I see one more base trade.
Bonzinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Slovenia862 Posts
August 19 2011 17:25 GMT
#2607
crazy game
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
August 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#2608
Good choice of Moonglade to go for the basetrade.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
August 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#2609
This series is so ridiculous LOL.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
August 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#2610
tense game, gg moonglade.
Team NSHoseo <3
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
August 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#2611
"No chance of rebuilding"
He has a nexus >_>
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#2612
wtf, mana what are you doing? take that damn obs and search for moonglade's remaining buildings!
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
August 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#2613
Base race in game two, semifinals have been so epic for the past 2 matchups!
mrg
Profile Joined October 2010
304 Posts
August 19 2011 17:26 GMT
#2614
OMG
Metaltoss
Profile Joined April 2011
France781 Posts
August 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#2615
On August 20 2011 02:26 Logros wrote:
Good choice of Moonglade to go for the basetrade.


He should have lost that trade if Mana didn't handle it so terribly :/

Mana had enough to build a forge, a couple pylons, and about 6 cannons. No way mutas can break that.
PBG
Profile Joined June 2011
40 Posts
August 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#2616
On August 20 2011 02:26 Stanlot wrote:
"No chance of rebuilding"
He has a nexus >_>


and he's supply blocked so he can't rebuild a probe
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#2617
No gg
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
bobwhiz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States725 Posts
August 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#2618
Hilarious!!!
Signatures are simply a cover for having no personality. -Kiante
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
August 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#2619
O.O
Nesquik
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom600 Posts
August 19 2011 17:27 GMT
#2620
so bm from mana
Oh IMMvp won agian but EGHuK getting Ro8 is a way bigger deal - Gootecks
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