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On August 07 2011 20:58 shabby wrote:
Friend talking to Zotan ingame (paladin that's gonna play in the upcoming match). He says they're aware of how shitty the stream is/observing/commentators are. And yesterday WoW was installed on the computers, but was not updated, so they all had to download 8GB of updates before they could do anything. :D
oh cool, i really want to follow a wow game, and try to understand something
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On August 07 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:53 Devolved wrote:On August 07 2011 20:47 TheHova wrote:On August 07 2011 20:46 Poopi wrote:On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:There you have it protosses  Thats how you counter a 111 all-in Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go Raven is really not the best lol. He should have not researched cloack for faster siege and added 2rax if he wanted to commit (I really don't think there were added since he had so few marines). he probably don't use this build often The Raven is needed for that push. For the observers and also for the PDD. Can you really afford (gas-wise) tanks, banshees, siege upgrade, cloak upgrade, and a raven? I really don't think that's feasible. Something needs to be cut out of that and he cut the raven (and forgot siege mode). No. The raven is not needed and certainly puts more hurt on your timing. If you want to add a raven you either build a raven first which hurts your banshee count or you build it after your first banshee (no cloak btw) to have enough energy when you push. The thing is that against a raven the push overall is weaker and the Protoss can force a fight and a PDD before his natural anyways. As already mentioned if you just deal a bit of damage with your first banshee and than slowly push with siege and mass marines at his natural. You focus down stalkers with banshee/siegetank. Even if he cuts your army in half , the power of the forcefield is nearly nullified since tanks have enough range to stand behind and rain hell on stalkers while marines can focusfire the zealots. The most common mistake in execution is to lose the banshees because they rush ahead or lose your high marine count due to own tank-fire, because lots of players don't seem to target stalker/sentry with the tanks. It was just plainly bad executed as much as I like Tarson. Cloak is in my opinion just a lot weaker and naniwa already did him a favor adding immortals which are utterly shit usually against a well played 2-1-1 allin. Naniwa otherwise did it completely right with adding huge stalkercounts and 5-6 gateways.
Nice clarification for people still wondering, thanks : ]
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I think thorzain has a mental adventage after beating him in the TSL finals, and TvP being his best matchup and all. I would give a slight edge to Thorzain. Although it's only BO3 so anything can happen. I do think Naniwa has a bigger chance of winning a finals against Ret though.
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On August 07 2011 20:58 shabby wrote:
Friend talking to Zotan ingame (paladin that's gonna play in the upcoming match). He says they're aware of how shitty the stream is/observing/commentators are. And yesterday WoW was installed on the computers, but was not updated, so they all had to download 8GB of updates before they could do anything. :D
The commentator are bad? Who is commentating?
And it's a shame only two can go  Considering these are the best Protoss, Terran and Zerg in Europe
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On August 07 2011 20:51 Ramuh wrote:
nani is so awkward
That was just him being put in an awkward position by the very bad question, I think he handled it very well.
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On August 07 2011 20:59 DrivE wrote:
i wanna see the zoomed in dwarf's head again
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UlkAt.jpg)
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This music is way better than GSL
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On August 07 2011 20:57 Mikah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:55 Fyzar wrote:On August 07 2011 20:54 TaoTeKing wrote:On August 07 2011 20:52 Dattish wrote:
This'll be the first time since 2009 I'll watch wow arena, lol. man be prepared i look it yesterday, apparently caster aren't so good even in the wow thread they called it a joke, and didn't understand nothing It was terrible, the games were good, but the casting and observing was horrible. Coming from someone who was stoked to see it. how the f were the games good?
Well if you understand the game, it was of a decent level ;p.
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On August 07 2011 21:00 Jiddra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:59 DrivE wrote:
i wanna see the zoomed in dwarf's head again
lol that was exactly that
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On August 07 2011 20:56 toastnbutter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:53 Devolved wrote:On August 07 2011 20:47 TheHova wrote:On August 07 2011 20:46 Poopi wrote:On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:There you have it protosses Thats how you counter a 111 all-in Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go Raven is really not the best lol. He should have not researched cloack for faster siege and added 2rax if he wanted to commit (I really don't think there were added since he had so few marines). he probably don't use this build often The Raven is needed for that push. For the observers and also for the PDD. Can you really afford (gas-wise) tanks, banshees, siege upgrade, cloak upgrade, and a raven? I really don't think that's feasible. Something needs to be cut out of that and he cut the raven (and forgot siege mode). I guess you've never seen a raven/tank/banshee/marine push? Getting a raven is pretty standard for that all-in :o
Not if you get cloak and siege mode. I've been trying this build lately and just can't afford all of that. I'd really like to know the build order to be able to afford everything and the timing of when to push.
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It continues 15:00? Great, I can watch episode 3 and 4 of triumph of the will then :p
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On August 07 2011 20:58 Blix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:57 Rabbitmaster wrote:On August 07 2011 20:54 mholden02 wrote:On August 07 2011 20:51 taldarimAltar wrote:On August 07 2011 20:51 graNite wrote:
I think NaNiwa is so arrogant.
"terrans are all the same to me" ffs. lol u trolling? No. Naniwa has 0 social skills. He's like someone who's been home schooled all their life, and never related with people before. I bet you can make that judgement based on a few interviews! What if hes just camera shy? Is not "socially awkward" when hes talking on vent etc (See tl attack!) I hate how honesty is considered a lack of social skills
Yeah i never got that... Also remember that english is NOT his first language.
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On August 07 2011 20:57 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:55 dtz wrote:On August 07 2011 20:54 mholden02 wrote:On August 07 2011 20:51 taldarimAltar wrote:On August 07 2011 20:51 graNite wrote:
I think NaNiwa is so arrogant.
"terrans are all the same to me" ffs. lol u trolling? No. Naniwa has 0 social skills. He's like someone who's been home schooled all their life, and never related with people before. So, as a person with excellent social skills, how would you have answered that question? "They both suck and I don't know why they're even at this tournament" jk jk jk Naniwa vs Thorzain is gonna be so goooood :O really hard to call that match. Shame they can't both go to Blizzcon
I don't know, maybe use MY BRAIN, and say something like "They pose different challenges, they have different styles, you can't really compare the two, their both great players."
There, done. Don't need to be a genius, just some :"Social Skills"
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On August 07 2011 20:59 SoSexy wrote:
So to be honest is to be bm???
Well that depends.
Ideally if you're a nice guy (which everyone should be) and genuinely respect your opponents (which also everyone should do at this level) as good players who can beat you, being honest is a great thing.
In all other cases it's better to just act professional even if you don't mean it.
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On August 07 2011 21:01 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:56 toastnbutter wrote:On August 07 2011 20:53 Devolved wrote:On August 07 2011 20:47 TheHova wrote:On August 07 2011 20:46 Poopi wrote:On August 07 2011 20:44 Beyonder wrote:On August 07 2011 20:43 Zowon wrote:There you have it protosses Thats how you counter a 111 all-in Hope that the terran messes it up greatly? haha Respect for tarson, but he did not execute thta well. No cloak, raven instead, siege mode. . . . 3 tanks and go Raven is really not the best lol. He should have not researched cloack for faster siege and added 2rax if he wanted to commit (I really don't think there were added since he had so few marines). he probably don't use this build often The Raven is needed for that push. For the observers and also for the PDD. Can you really afford (gas-wise) tanks, banshees, siege upgrade, cloak upgrade, and a raven? I really don't think that's feasible. Something needs to be cut out of that and he cut the raven (and forgot siege mode). I guess you've never seen a raven/tank/banshee/marine push? Getting a raven is pretty standard for that all-in :o Not if you get cloak and siege mode. I've been trying this build lately and just can't afford all of that. I'd really like to know the build order to be able to afford everything and the timing of when to push.
The raven push normally comes quite a bit later. Think it's around 4 tanks and raven+banshees compared to 3 tanks with siege 2/3 banshees much sooner
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On August 07 2011 20:59 Derez wrote:
Oh joy, time for WoW. I'm hoping for some nice close-ups of boxes and walls.
Don't forget LSD colours and dwarfs!
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On August 07 2011 20:58 shabby wrote:
Friend talking to Zotan ingame (paladin that's gonna play in the upcoming match). He says they're aware of how shitty the stream is/observing/commentators are. And yesterday WoW was installed on the computers, but was not updated, so they all had to download 8GB of updates before they could do anything. :D
Zotan is actually the death knight.
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On August 07 2011 20:57 Netsky wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2011 20:53 Lowell wrote:On August 07 2011 20:49 TheHova wrote:On August 07 2011 20:48 Beyonder wrote:On August 07 2011 20:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 07 2011 20:45 Devolved wrote:On August 07 2011 20:43 marttorn wrote:
I've never seen a 111 get held. EVER. Now i'm not saying that's a sign of imbalance, but now i'm even more of a nAni fan. Then you haven't seen many games. Errrr, he's kinda right. Executed properly that build almost always kills protoss. Don't play toss either so not whining. I watch almost every game these days, and I have not see a good P hold it vs a good T that executes it properly haha Me neither tbh, it's a pretty brutal push unless they go for the 3gate stargate all in themselves. But i've even seen that lose to it in the GSL :p Its not used THAT often though, i think if Terrans would start to abuse that push more frequently, it wouldnt take so long until Tosses would get better holding it. Dont really know though. The 1-1-1 build that has been having mild success in the GSL is not what Tarson did. He did a cloaked banshee into a marine/tank push with (unfortunately) bad timing and execution.
'Mild success' is a massive understatement. Terran won almost every match against protss in the up/down matches for code S/A using this build.
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