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Ingwaz
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden70 Posts
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#5221
Anti climatic final
Omnibus locis fit caedes
CruiseR
Profile Joined November 2004
Poland4014 Posts
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#5222
On August 08 2011 02:01 Leviance wrote:
Yay I missed everything!!! But there will be VODs right? right? :/


All vods and replays:
http://eu.battle.net/blizzcon/en/tournaments/eu-regionals/matches/sc2/video-archive
sickoota
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada918 Posts
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#5223
On August 08 2011 01:59 soulist wrote:
I like how Ret wins 1 championship in the last 6 months and everyone jumps on his bandwagon saying he is one of the top 3 foreign zergs. Idra and Sen are way more consistent then Dimaga and Ret.

Sen is pretty good, but not particularly consistent, only really did well at NASL after a long long run of unsuccessful tournaments. The only thing Idra is consistent at is mediocrity, he has been going to alot of tournaments lately and never breaking top 3 in any of them.
I could spend a while with that smile
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#5224
On August 08 2011 01:57 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:55 kunstderfugue wrote:
What does a bw protoss do against a super fast thirs when he ffes? maybe we can adapt it to sc2


Be Bisu or lose.

You don't even want to know how gruelingly hard PvZ always was in BW.


There's a reason why Bisu is known as the Revolusionist ;p

CORSAIRRRRRRR
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
befek
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland413 Posts
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#5225
MIC ON joe MIC ON
Dan "Artosis" Stark: Roaches are coming, Game of Drones begins!
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#5226
On August 08 2011 01:58 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:51 Talin wrote:
MLG has best crowd?

I think not.
this is what I was thinking
awesome Polish crowd! although it's probably just room acoustics

Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:55 frozenrb wrote:
Poland -
[image loading]

oh no you didn't, haha

I asked yesterday if Carmac wasnt German in the other live thread and people thought I was joking. I was fairly sure I he was and said I wasnt but nobody took me seriously. Just now I realized that Carmac and Carnac isnt the same person.. Now everything makes a lot more sense.. ^^
4649!!
niteblaze
Profile Joined August 2010
United States143 Posts
August 07 2011 17:02 GMT
#5227
Pulling an NASL on the sound! D:
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 17:03:35
August 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#5228
On August 08 2011 01:59 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:55 Talin wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:52 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:50 Telcontar wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:49 damod wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 zeru wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 Tobon wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:44 Morale wrote:
Man tbh Ret is by far the best non korean zerg.


Sen.

And dimaga.

And IdrA

Not by recent showing, but do we have to bring IdrA up every time a zerg player wins? Come on.


I don't think it's too offensive to bring up IdrA. Speaking of foreign Zergs in recent major tournaments, IdrA was the highest placing foreign Zerg at MLG Anaheim.


You know things aren't working out well for someone when you start listing "highest placing X of all Y of the nationality Z in this one tournament" as an accomplishment but he actually wasn't even in top 10 of that tournament.

Let's not forget Idra gets dominated by Nani and Thorzain too, so...

Ret is at this very moment the best non-Korean Zerg. He would be that based on yesterday's games alone, even if he lost to Thorzain today.

The level at which he plays the game is so much higher than other foreign Zergs at this moment. Nobody ever dominated Nani and Thorzain like this since their rise to the top. Nobody.

MLG had koreans this tournament didn't, there is no doubt Koreans would have won this if they went. Ret went to MLG Anaheim too, but placed lower than IdrA. I don't like IdrA either but you are making a straw man.


Ret and Idra pretty much had the same showing at Anaheim, except Ret got eliminated 2-1 by Ganzi (you know, the dude from SlayerS, the team who had the best minds in the game handcraft a new TvZ build).

Idra got eliminated 2-0 by Naniwa. The guy who... we've just seen get completely dominated.

Straw man is bringing up their final ranking while ignoring f the circumstances under which the rank was achieved.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
August 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#5229
On August 08 2011 02:02 Cajun2k1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:58 constantqt wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:57 msjakofsky wrote:
poor naniwa after he failed to become the bonjwa of tsl3 he got 2nd place in hsc and this too... huk and thorzain managed to become bonjwas so nani deserves some bonjwaness too. maybe make a bonjwa-cup where the top 3 are all bonjwas? gold, silver and bronze bonjwa.

dont think you understand the meaning of bonjwa


He keeps using that word, I don't think it means what he thinks it means.


i have to admit i'm crying of laughter now;)


TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
August 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#5230
On August 08 2011 02:02 Ingwaz wrote:
Anti climatic final


It's a anti climatic matchup,what do you expect?
Cackle™
soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
August 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#5231
On August 08 2011 02:01 disco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:59 soulist wrote:
I like how Ret wins 1 championship in the last 6 months and everyone jumps on his bandwagon saying he is one of the top 3 foreign zergs. Idra and Sen are way more consistent then Dimaga and Ret.


It's also the fashion he won in. Plus the fact that he was already a beast @ the last MLG.


In terms of consistency Idra is much more consistent then Ret and Dimaga.
Evil Geniuses<3
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
August 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#5232
On August 08 2011 01:46 Bliznako wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:43 sleepingdog wrote:
We need more PvZ early all-ins to change the metagame. This is ridiculous


Exactly my thoughts... Unlike terrans, protoss players seem to have stopped doing the one base all ins or early pressure, allowing zergs to start with three bases (?), droning up to 60+ drones in the first few minutes.

I totally cannot understand this trend. Ret was playing the same style few months ago and was blown away in Korea by early pàressure, always overdroning being his doom and now the same style reaps rewards. And please don't tell me how much he has improved - Ret has always been a macro beast, looks like his time has come.


I can't make a 4 gate work against Zerg in Master league, so I've great doubts that it will ever work at this level.
Protoss simply can't put pressure on the Zerg, and Zerg have figured out that these voidray/phoenixes harass were easily shut down by a few spore crawlers.
So what can you do as Protoss ?

Random timing pushes still occasionaly work though.
Sad thing is that they it relies entirely on Zerg mistakes.

Btw with the exception of MLG (dominated by Korean Terrans), every recent tournaments have been won by Zerg: GSL code S, WCG China, Assembly, now blizzcon, and btw one of the finalist of the current GO4SC2 is a Zerg as well (second might also be Zerg).
And the most depressing is that you can't blame the infestors for that... It's more due to the fact that Zerg players learned how to use their lategame units and repell the timing pushes...


Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
August 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#5233
On August 08 2011 02:00 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:00 MrKn4rz wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:58 Denzil wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:55 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:54 Denzil wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:53 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:51 _Repo wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:50 zeru wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:49 damod wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 zeru wrote:
[quote]
And dimaga.

And IdrA

Idra is not at dimaga sen rets level haha



Lol, amusing how wrong you can be.

well ret and dimaga just won a major tuornament taking out sick players, idra didnt lately, getting top 12 at mlg isnt a comparable achievement, if he tier up some big lan in the near future he will be there, not now though


He was TOP foreigner at Columbus

thats not winning a tuornamenet and it was a while ago...


So what counts as relevant tournaments now? Tournaments played within the last 2 weeks?
Stop acting silly. Idra has had no events to play outside of MLG and 1 other in the past month.

Also he won IPL Season 1 and has good Chances to win the 2nd Season aswell.

Yeah, he beat an invite-only American tournament :D gz

Doesn't stop the LR thread orgasming when Ret wins an invite-only Euro tournament.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
August 07 2011 17:03 GMT
#5234
Good evening everybody.

Enjoyed this tournament a lot!

Great casting by RotterdaM and MrBitter. I can see them groing to an Tastosis, DayjWheat level (I like them more already, but hope others will see it as well.)

Joe Miller and Carmac also did an amazing thing on stage. Good questions to the players and let the show get on a good roll.

Lastly thanks to all the players for the great games. Some of the best I have seen from Foreigner vs Foreigner in a long time!
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#5235
On August 08 2011 01:58 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:58 constantqt wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:57 msjakofsky wrote:
poor naniwa after he failed to become the bonjwa of tsl3 he got 2nd place in hsc and this too... huk and thorzain managed to become bonjwas so nani deserves some bonjwaness too. maybe make a bonjwa-cup where the top 3 are all bonjwas? gold, silver and bronze bonjwa.

dont think you understand the meaning of bonjwa


You sir,just got trolled.Good day.
Sounded more like the guy trolled himself.
LiangHao
Mungosh
Profile Joined February 2011
365 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#5236
On August 08 2011 02:00 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:00 MrKn4rz wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:58 Denzil wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:55 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:54 Denzil wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:53 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:51 _Repo wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:50 zeru wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:49 damod wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 zeru wrote:
[quote]
And dimaga.

And IdrA

Idra is not at dimaga sen rets level haha



Lol, amusing how wrong you can be.

well ret and dimaga just won a major tuornament taking out sick players, idra didnt lately, getting top 12 at mlg isnt a comparable achievement, if he tier up some big lan in the near future he will be there, not now though


He was TOP foreigner at Columbus

thats not winning a tuornamenet and it was a while ago...


So what counts as relevant tournaments now? Tournaments played within the last 2 weeks?
Stop acting silly. Idra has had no events to play outside of MLG and 1 other in the past month.

Also he won IPL Season 1 and has good Chances to win the 2nd Season aswell.

Yeah, he beat an invite-only American tournament :D gz

How is that any different from Ret winning this tournament?
Foreplay
Profile Joined May 2008
United States1154 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#5237
it's so awkward that they interview the loser right after the game. No one wants to talk about their losses right afterwards in front of a ton of people while you have the winner standing 5 feet away being super stoked.
Better than Pokebunny
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#5238
On August 08 2011 02:03 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:59 MuseMike wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:55 Talin wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:52 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:50 Telcontar wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:49 damod wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 zeru wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 Tobon wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:44 Morale wrote:
Man tbh Ret is by far the best non korean zerg.


Sen.

And dimaga.

And IdrA

Not by recent showing, but do we have to bring IdrA up every time a zerg player wins? Come on.


I don't think it's too offensive to bring up IdrA. Speaking of foreign Zergs in recent major tournaments, IdrA was the highest placing foreign Zerg at MLG Anaheim.


You know things aren't working out well for someone when you start listing "highest placing X of all Y of the nationality Z in this one tournament" as an accomplishment but he actually wasn't even in top 10 of that tournament.

Let's not forget Idra gets dominated by Nani and Thorzain too, so...

Ret is at this very moment the best non-Korean Zerg. He would be that based on yesterday's games alone, even if he lost to Thorzain today.

The level at which he plays the game is so much higher than other foreign Zergs at this moment. Nobody ever dominated Nani and Thorzain like this since their rise to the top. Nobody.

MLG had koreans this tournament didn't, there is no doubt Koreans would have won this if they went. Ret went to MLG Anaheim too, but placed lower than IdrA. I don't like IdrA either but you are making a straw man.


Ret and Idra pretty much had the same showing at Anaheim, except Ret got eliminated 2-1 by Ganzi (you know, the dude from SlayerS, the team who had the best minds in the game handcraft a new TvZ build).

Idra got eliminated 2-0 by Naniwa. The guy who... we've just seen get completely dominated.

Straw man is bringing up their final ranking while ignoring f the circumstances under which the rank was achieved.


Oh god no please tell me you're trolling

Are you TRYING to suggest

Naniwa > Idra
Ret > Naniwa
Therefore Ret > Idra?
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#5239
On August 08 2011 02:03 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 01:59 MuseMike wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:55 Talin wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:52 MrSexington wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:50 Telcontar wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:49 damod wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 zeru wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:48 Tobon wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:44 Morale wrote:
Man tbh Ret is by far the best non korean zerg.


Sen.

And dimaga.

And IdrA

Not by recent showing, but do we have to bring IdrA up every time a zerg player wins? Come on.


I don't think it's too offensive to bring up IdrA. Speaking of foreign Zergs in recent major tournaments, IdrA was the highest placing foreign Zerg at MLG Anaheim.


You know things aren't working out well for someone when you start listing "highest placing X of all Y of the nationality Z in this one tournament" as an accomplishment but he actually wasn't even in top 10 of that tournament.

Let's not forget Idra gets dominated by Nani and Thorzain too, so...

Ret is at this very moment the best non-Korean Zerg. He would be that based on yesterday's games alone, even if he lost to Thorzain today.

The level at which he plays the game is so much higher than other foreign Zergs at this moment. Nobody ever dominated Nani and Thorzain like this since their rise to the top. Nobody.

MLG had koreans this tournament didn't, there is no doubt Koreans would have won this if they went. Ret went to MLG Anaheim too, but placed lower than IdrA. I don't like IdrA either but you are making a straw man.


Ret and Idra pretty much had the same showing at Anaheim, except Ret got eliminated 2-1 by Ganzi (you know, the dude from SlayerS, the team who had the best minds in the game handcraft a new TvZ build).

Idra got eliminated 2-0 by Naniwa. The guy who... we've just seen get completely dominated.

Straw man is bringing up their final ranking while ignoring f the circumstances under which the rank was achieved.


Idra went 1-2 against Nani. At least get your facts right.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
August 07 2011 17:04 GMT
#5240
On August 08 2011 02:02 whiteLotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 02:01 skrzmark wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:00 Beyonder wrote:
On August 08 2011 02:00 MrKn4rz wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:58 Denzil wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:55 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:54 Denzil wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:53 darlhet wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:51 _Repo wrote:
On August 08 2011 01:50 zeru wrote:
[quote]
Idra is not at dimaga sen rets level haha



Lol, amusing how wrong you can be.

well ret and dimaga just won a major tuornament taking out sick players, idra didnt lately, getting top 12 at mlg isnt a comparable achievement, if he tier up some big lan in the near future he will be there, not now though


He was TOP foreigner at Columbus

thats not winning a tuornamenet and it was a while ago...


So what counts as relevant tournaments now? Tournaments played within the last 2 weeks?
Stop acting silly. Idra has had no events to play outside of MLG and 1 other in the past month.

Also he won IPL Season 1 and has good Chances to win the 2nd Season aswell.

Yeah, he beat an invite-only American tournament :D gz


Wooooooooow... you're so bias!


no but you are. bringing up some random low level NA tournament come on.. i would be F surprised if idra didnt win them all


That made no sense... I didn't even bring up that tournament???
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
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