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On July 26 2011 23:14 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 23:00 Djagulingu wrote:On July 26 2011 22:36 Bagi wrote:On July 26 2011 22:26 Gao Xi wrote:
Destiny is going to win, more because Rain is bad. Yeah, just a longtime code S player, he must suck horribly. The infestor-masser whose biggest achievement is having a popular stream will surely beat him. HongUn is a long time code s player too, but he is just a gimmick, just like what Rain was. The same thing that happened to San will happen to HongUn and would happen to Rain too if he stayed. And yeah, the only thing that Destiny can do is to mass infestors and 1a. Oh wait. Infestors can't attack. Wow, how does Destiny win games? Did you just call the guy who made RO4, beating guys like MC in the process, a gimmick? Hongun even has really bad wrist problems so he couldn't get to train as much as he wanted. Wanna elaborate on what it is exactly that makes him gimmicky? I'm not sure if you are serious with the 1a thing either, since I made no such point... Troll post?
I'm pretty serious about HongUn, but about Destiny, it was just trolling. San made it to ro4 too, beating likes of Nestea in the process. Speaking of San, where is he now? San was a gimmick, HongUn is a gimmick too, he will drop down to code b and never come back.
Anyway, back to Destiny's "mass infestor 1a" thing, it definitely requires further attention from pros. The style has a lot of fungals/infested terrans and a lot of lings that it can crush any terran push/drop. I hope he can showcase that well against rain.
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On July 26 2011 22:33 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 22:26 Gao Xi wrote:
Destiny is going to win, more because Rain is bad. its a shame people cant be banned for just being really stupid not really a huge fan of destiny but he's atleast entertaining to watch. for ESPORTS
Then who will post?!
On July 26 2011 23:34 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 23:14 Bagi wrote:On July 26 2011 23:00 Djagulingu wrote:On July 26 2011 22:36 Bagi wrote:On July 26 2011 22:26 Gao Xi wrote:
Destiny is going to win, more because Rain is bad. Yeah, just a longtime code S player, he must suck horribly. The infestor-masser whose biggest achievement is having a popular stream will surely beat him. HongUn is a long time code s player too, but he is just a gimmick, just like what Rain was. The same thing that happened to San will happen to HongUn and would happen to Rain too if he stayed. And yeah, the only thing that Destiny can do is to mass infestors and 1a. Oh wait. Infestors can't attack. Wow, how does Destiny win games? Did you just call the guy who made RO4, beating guys like MC in the process, a gimmick? Hongun even has really bad wrist problems so he couldn't get to train as much as he wanted. Wanna elaborate on what it is exactly that makes him gimmicky? I'm not sure if you are serious with the 1a thing either, since I made no such point... Troll post? I'm pretty serious about HongUn, but about Destiny, it was just trolling. San made it to ro4 too, beating likes of Nestea in the process. Speaking of San, where is he now? San was a gimmick, HongUn is a gimmick too, he will drop down to code b and never come back. Anyway, back to Destiny's "mass infestor 1a" thing, it definitely requires further attention from pros. The style has a lot of fungals/infested terrans and a lot of lings that it can crush any terran push/drop. I hope he can showcase that well against rain.
In other words: no, you don't want to elaborate. ^^
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On July 26 2011 23:34 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 23:14 Bagi wrote:On July 26 2011 23:00 Djagulingu wrote:On July 26 2011 22:36 Bagi wrote:On July 26 2011 22:26 Gao Xi wrote:
Destiny is going to win, more because Rain is bad. Yeah, just a longtime code S player, he must suck horribly. The infestor-masser whose biggest achievement is having a popular stream will surely beat him. HongUn is a long time code s player too, but he is just a gimmick, just like what Rain was. The same thing that happened to San will happen to HongUn and would happen to Rain too if he stayed. And yeah, the only thing that Destiny can do is to mass infestors and 1a. Oh wait. Infestors can't attack. Wow, how does Destiny win games? Did you just call the guy who made RO4, beating guys like MC in the process, a gimmick? Hongun even has really bad wrist problems so he couldn't get to train as much as he wanted. Wanna elaborate on what it is exactly that makes him gimmicky? I'm not sure if you are serious with the 1a thing either, since I made no such point... Troll post? I'm pretty serious about HongUn, but about Destiny, it was just trolling. San made it to ro4 too, beating likes of Nestea in the process. Speaking of San, where is he now? San was a gimmick, HongUn is a gimmick too, he will drop down to code b and never come back.
First of all, I think to be gimmicky you have to have an abusive style that your playstyle relies on (kinda like Destiny with his infestors).
San was a laughingstock of the GSL for a while, then made one good run and vanished soon after. Hongun on the other hand is one of the most consistent players who have never been in the finals, right up there with Nada. He always seems to get into the further rounds, twice even RO4. He has also shown a wide variety of builds and plays, including straight up macro games, so no gimmicks there. He might drop, but if he does it'll be because of his injuries - not because he isn't deserving of a code S spot.
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On July 26 2011 23:21 Ashes wrote:
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In my opinion, mass infestors are as bronze league as mass void rays. You only need to be careful while casting fungal or neuro.
You can't compare Infestors to Void Rays. A bronze level player can 1a 15 void rays into an army and win. A bronze level player cannot 1a 15 infestors into an army and win.
You dismiss the finesse it takes to use infestors effectively as a "you only need to...", but doing that is both wrong and ignorant!
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On July 26 2011 23:34 Djagulingu wrote:
Anyway, back to Destiny's "mass infestor 1a" thing, it definitely requires further attention from pros. The style has a lot of fungals/infested terrans and a lot of lings that it can crush any terran push/drop. I hope he can showcase that well against rain.
Sure, you 1a just as with any other caster (^_^).
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On July 26 2011 23:21 Ashes wrote:
Destiny is a decent player no doubt abt it. But here is the thing, koreans are not used to playing against players who use mass infestors (Thats what took bomber by surprise).
In my opinion, mass infestors are as bronze league as mass void rays. You only need to be careful while casting fungal or neuro.
not really, infestors are so fragile and risky if you try harassing with them.
casting fungal/neural parasite are also what determines a good or bad infestor user
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If Rain just looks at one of Destiny's games then I'm sure he will win.
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Should be a fun series. He went 2-1 vs ZenexPuzzle in games I was watching earlier. I think they played more so not sure the end result, but he is definitely very abusive with his mass infestors. Such a strong unit 
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Rain if you are reading this - watch Destiny's games! haha.
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The fact that Destiny does well on ladder and can randomly take games off pros but loses straight away in IPL and MLG suggests that his playstyle is not consistent or safe enough to do well when the opponent can prepare. The games I watched of Socke and Axslav play against Destiny, when they won, were a roll. Why? Because, they just took a third, and Destiny could do absolutely nothing about it.
If Rain is aware that his opponent goes mass infestor, he can either get ghosts, or do a 1 base timing, or banshee play. Marauder Hellion timing seems pretty good against Infestor rushing as Spinecrawlers are pretty terrible against marauders. Destiny will beat Rain if Rain doesn't scout properly or does a terrible build.
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I saw this one game where Destiny built Broodlords!
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On July 27 2011 00:01 Micket wrote:
The fact that Destiny does well on ladder and can randomly take games off pros but loses straight away in IPL and MLG suggests that his playstyle is not consistent or safe enough to do well when the opponent can prepare. The games I watched of Socke and Axslav play against Destiny, when they won, were a roll. Why? Because, they just took a third, and Destiny could do absolutely nothing about it.
Meh, those games were more than a month ago. I by no means think that Destiny is a top player, but he's at least now in that mid-pro region where he can take games off anyone and some matches too.
From what I've seen, he seems to be pretty decent at denying thirds most of the time; generally backs off correctly when needed too. I just love his style because I'm so used to when zerg gets behind at all, they pretty much just instantly die. His strong unit composition allows for comeback games which are so rare in any vz matchups. Anyway, I don't know if he will win (especially in the long run of this series) but the games should at least be entertaining.
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On July 26 2011 22:30 Trowa127 wrote:
Rain is actually really good, hope he takes it. As Socke proved in the IPL, Destiny is very gimmicky and has huge timing holes in all his builds, hopefully Rain will exploit these.
Just to expand on this - he beats alot of his opponents with really wierd timings, or just strange builds - In the IPL he beat socke game one with his two base infestor rush, in game 3 Socke just took a really quick third and rolled it with gate way units and archons.
Destiny lost game one, although it was really down to the wire. Game two he did something really cool to win. Can't remember game three, so I guess it wasn't very good.
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On July 27 2011 00:04 justinpal wrote:
I saw this one game where Destiny built Broodlords!
you mean he had gas left over from his 300 infestors? : O!
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On July 27 2011 00:18 KimJongChill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 22:30 Trowa127 wrote:
Rain is actually really good, hope he takes it. As Socke proved in the IPL, Destiny is very gimmicky and has huge timing holes in all his builds, hopefully Rain will exploit these.
Just to expand on this - he beats alot of his opponents with really wierd timings, or just strange builds - In the IPL he beat socke game one with his two base infestor rush, in game 3 Socke just took a really quick third and rolled it with gate way units and archons. Destiny lost game one, although it was really down to the wire. Game two he did something really cool to win. Can't remember game three, so I guess it wasn't very good.
IPL is using the old Shakuras... instalose for Z >.>
And I think Destiny can take Rain easy. Bomber > Rain.
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On July 26 2011 22:30 Trowa127 wrote:
Rain is actually really good, hope he takes it. As Socke proved in the IPL, Destiny is very gimmicky and has huge timing holes in all his builds, hopefully Rain will exploit these.
Just to expand on this - he beats alot of his opponents with really wierd timings, or just strange builds - In the IPL he beat socke game one with his two base infestor rush, in game 3 Socke just took a really quick third and rolled it with gate way units and archons.
Unless it happened twice then I think you mean Axslav... Atleast I know Axslav lost to a 2 base infestor timing then cannon rushed game 2 and took game 3 with early 3rd and a lot of gateway units and investors...
Axslav Fighting xD
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ho, this is amazing :o i hope there will be many iterations in this showmatch series. sounds like such a great idea 
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Is this like Drewbie vs Europe on steroids? =P
I think Destiny has the ability to take Rain down. While disliking Destiny is somewhat of a hip trend, if you've watched him recently you can see that the guy means serious business.
Rain is not an awful player, but neither he is particularly good either. At this point I wouldn't rate him higher than Select (who is very good in his own right, but someone Destiny can take games from without it being that much of a surprise) and qxc.
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Hope Rain wins, there is only so many games of his I can watch where he just makes 30 infestors, abuses them, loses them all with bad micro like versus Bomber, then remakes 20 more and wins.
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On July 27 2011 00:31 Heavenly wrote:
Hope Rain wins, there is only so many games of his I can watch where he just makes 30 infestors, abuses them, loses them all with bad micro like versus Bomber, then remakes 20 more and wins.
Rain's TvZ isn't exactly inspirational to watch either.
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