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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#981
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/
bovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Japan208 Posts
July 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#982
i'm really enjoying Orb's casting. i'd love him to be casting for GSL. knowledgeable and nice casting style + voice. much better than wolf and unstable.

thanks orb. great games, thanks to the sponsors too.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 21 2011 02:39 GMT
#983
Oi, that was painful. Sage, why you no work on your PvP?
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#984
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.


figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#985
Artosis jinx is the most powerful weapon in StarCraft II. (he just said in SotG that Sage is.. well, essentially his current Cliiiiide)
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
July 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#986
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


YoungHwa is a PvP master, no shame in losing to him.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 21 2011 02:40 GMT
#987
TvP Finals! AWESOME!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#988
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.



Yeah, most great players have weaker matchups, but they're still pretty decent in them. Bomber's TvZ, MVP's TvP, Losira's ZvT, but sage's PvP just seems downright awful....
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#989
Yonghwa is a beast. Finally showing some good results. GO IM!
Azuroz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden1630 Posts
July 21 2011 02:41 GMT
#990
i think we need to work on combining mc and sage in to an archon, sickest army/unit control together with sage's safe and scouting based builds.
Team NSHoseo <3
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 02:42 GMT
#991
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.




Where did I say Sage was a great player? Your response is irrelevant to what we're talking about.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 21 2011 02:43 GMT
#992
On July 21 2011 11:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.



Yeah, most great players have weaker matchups, but they're still pretty decent in them. Bomber's TvZ, MVP's TvP, Losira's ZvT, but sage's PvP just seems downright awful....

Well, Losira's ZvT used to be absolute shit. Same with HuK's PvP.

... hopefully Sage can work on that a little bit. At least he's not like an InCa. One good match-up, two shitty ones. Lol.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 21 2011 02:46 GMT
#993
On July 21 2011 11:43 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.



Yeah, most great players have weaker matchups, but they're still pretty decent in them. Bomber's TvZ, MVP's TvP, Losira's ZvT, but sage's PvP just seems downright awful....

Well, Losira's ZvT used to be absolute shit. Same with HuK's PvP.

... hopefully Sage can work on that a little bit. At least he's not like an InCa. One good match-up, two shitty ones. Lol.


Not certain if that's the case anymore, after he discovered how great the mass-muta style can be. TOP's TvZ is monstrous, yet Losira defeated him quite handily imo.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 02:46 GMT
#994
On July 21 2011 11:43 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.



Yeah, most great players have weaker matchups, but they're still pretty decent in them. Bomber's TvZ, MVP's TvP, Losira's ZvT, but sage's PvP just seems downright awful....

Well, Losira's ZvT used to be absolute shit. Same with HuK's PvP.

... hopefully Sage can work on that a little bit. At least he's not like an InCa. One good match-up, two shitty ones. Lol.


Yeah, it's far, far better to have 2 good matchups and 1 shitty one than the opposite - I may be stating the obvious, but it really makes all the difference in how people perceive you, since you're either good at the majority of the MU's or good at a minority (in the case of 3 MUs, only one) of matchups. You become this player that kind of takes out "overall better" players by luck of the draw. I'd like to make it clear that I'm not talking about Sage and Yonghwa in particular, since I actually think Yonghwa has 2 strong MUs himself - PvP and PvT (no idea about his PvZ), but I still think Sage's PvT and vZ are stronger, and more entertaining overall. Thus it's not so bad to see Sage losing to Yonghwa like that, but imagine if Inca knocked out MC T_T
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
July 21 2011 02:48 GMT
#995
Sage's problem is his army control and army control is what defines PvP (besides BOs). But the good thing for Sage is that his micro can easily be improved upon by practise. Once he does he will be a beast
Go go Alliance.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 02:56:48
July 21 2011 02:50 GMT
#996
On July 21 2011 11:46 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:43 babylon wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:41 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.



Yeah, most great players have weaker matchups, but they're still pretty decent in them. Bomber's TvZ, MVP's TvP, Losira's ZvT, but sage's PvP just seems downright awful....

Well, Losira's ZvT used to be absolute shit. Same with HuK's PvP.

... hopefully Sage can work on that a little bit. At least he's not like an InCa. One good match-up, two shitty ones. Lol.


Not certain if that's the case anymore, after he discovered how great the mass-muta style can be. TOP's TvZ is monstrous, yet Losira defeated him quite handily imo.

That's why I said it used to be absolute shit. He's been doing very well lately in his ZvT, though his past performance in that match-up was so horrible that his win-percentage is still sitting at a 41%.

Same with Huk, really. His PvP is still at a 35.7%. I remember that series where he won against San. It was pretty hilarious because San's PvP win-percentage actually went up after he lost the series. Pretty horrible.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 02:52:29
July 21 2011 02:52 GMT
#997
Ermmm the probe saw no expansion Orb.....

edit: there we go.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
July 21 2011 02:52 GMT
#998
On July 21 2011 11:42 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.




Where did I say Sage was a great player? Your response is irrelevant to what we're talking about.


Who is "we"? Does that include AxionSteel, the one who made the original post? Does he not get a say in what the two of you are talking about? At that, were you really "talking" about anything, at least anything more complicated than a very simple and obvious complaint about PvP?
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
July 21 2011 02:53 GMT
#999
Gah I really wish he had killed the Artosis pylon. He could've done a ton of damage if he had.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | ┻━┻ ︵╰(°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 03:00:44
July 21 2011 02:59 GMT
#1000
On July 21 2011 11:52 Nimic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 11:42 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:40 AxionSteel wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:39 HolyArrow wrote:
On July 21 2011 11:38 AxionSteel wrote:
Completely outclassed


In PvP :/


You can't be a great player if you have a really weak matchup, and that was pretty weak play.




Where did I say Sage was a great player? Your response is irrelevant to what we're talking about.


Who is "we"? Does that include AxionSteel, the one who made the original post? Does he not get a say in what the two of you are talking about? At that, were you really "talking" about anything, at least anything more complicated than a very simple and obvious complaint about PvP?


Well, conversations have purposes, and I feel that my purpose was clear: to state that the unfairly general declaration of how Sage was "completely outclassed" should be specified to only PvP. My point in calling his response irrelevant was because I don't see how whether or not Sage is a "great player" had anything to do with what we were previously talking about. So, sure, he gets to say as much as he wants, but when it's something that seems irrelevant to the initial conversation, I'd rather point it out rather than going down another tangent (which happens a lot on the internet).
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