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MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
July 04 2011 20:03 GMT
#241
On July 05 2011 05:00 Backpack wrote:
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On July 05 2011 04:59 Dystisis wrote:
Mr. Bitter is pretty blatantly Zerg biased. It's really annoying to listen to, especially when he tries to argue against TLO, who has vastly superior knowledge of the game in general.

He's like the non-progamer IdrA

idra actually does a pretty good job toning down the bias when he casts
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
July 04 2011 20:03 GMT
#242
I'm not a big fan of Mr.Bitter.. was maybe for a little bit, but not anymore.
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
July 04 2011 20:04 GMT
#243
On July 05 2011 05:01 Talin wrote:
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On July 05 2011 04:50 sleepingdog wrote:
Don't know where the MrBitter hate is suddenly coming from - as a toss player I agree with his critique of WhiteRa's build and disagree with TLO.

Starcraft strategies are often times counter-intuitive and not that obvious to people who don't play the game on a high level (especially until the point someone makes them work consistently), which is why casters like MrBitter shouldn't be that outspoken in their criticism.

TLO was absolutely right thing to give WhiteRa a benefit of the doubt there, and really that build WAS potentially workable as he said, it wasn't anything batshit crazy.


Alternatively, just because a pro player does it, that doesn't mean it's good or effective. Like you said, we may just not know the point behind the build or White-Ra might have made a few mistakes or forgot something, etc. So since we don't actually know either way, we have to judge based on the game at hand and the outcome. On that basis, the build was quite ineffective.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
FenneK
Profile Joined November 2010
France1231 Posts
July 04 2011 20:04 GMT
#244
this is why i love whitera
good luck have batman
Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
July 04 2011 20:04 GMT
#245
it doesn't matter at all if mr bitter is right about what he is saying, i think everyone has another opinion about that anyway. just the way he is arguing about that is really annoying+massive zerg bias doesn't help.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
July 04 2011 20:05 GMT
#246
On July 05 2011 05:03 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 05:00 Backpack wrote:
On July 05 2011 04:59 Dystisis wrote:
Mr. Bitter is pretty blatantly Zerg biased. It's really annoying to listen to, especially when he tries to argue against TLO, who has vastly superior knowledge of the game in general.

He's like the non-progamer IdrA

idra actually does a pretty good job toning down the bias when he casts


Yeah he's very vocal in interviews but does great in casts. He should get mad props for that, it's great cause he has some very good game knowledge.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
July 04 2011 20:05 GMT
#247
On July 05 2011 05:04 FenneK wrote:
this is why i love whitera

Agreed. Special tactikz ftw~~
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 04 2011 20:05 GMT
#248
The funny thing is, this is a standard Whitera strategy on this map. I've seen this done on multiples games, even in tournaments.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
July 04 2011 20:05 GMT
#249
Lol. Talking about how powerful protoss air is when it was 35 probes on two base protoss to one base zerg in the beginning. Okay.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Looms
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4624 Posts
July 04 2011 20:06 GMT
#250
lol whitera doesnt want to kill before carriers and upgrades finish
FreedonNadd
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria573 Posts
July 04 2011 20:06 GMT
#251
special taktickz
Some people wear Superman pajamas, but Superman has Day[9] pajamas.
snurre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States118 Posts
July 04 2011 20:06 GMT
#252
On July 05 2011 05:05 MCDayC wrote:
The funny thing is, this is a standard Whitera strategy on this map. I've seen this done on multiples games, even in tournaments.

I can't remember the last time I saw White-ra on shakuras without this build
ravenKRaz
Profile Joined March 2011
United States580 Posts
July 04 2011 20:06 GMT
#253
White_ra using special taktikz ^^
DarkneSS.1360
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
July 04 2011 20:06 GMT
#254
On July 05 2011 05:05 Heavenly wrote:
Lol. Talking about how powerful protoss air is when it was 35 probes on two base protoss to one base zerg in the beginning. Okay.

carriers are a good transition off the "win the game" opening
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Axeltoss
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States283 Posts
July 04 2011 20:06 GMT
#255
On July 05 2011 04:52 rotegirte wrote:
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On July 05 2011 04:50 sleepingdog wrote:
Don't know where the MrBitter hate is suddenly coming from - as a toss player I agree with his critique of WhiteRa's build and disagree with TLO.


This. People yet fail to point out Mr Bitter on making wrong points. It really can't care less about alleged "bias" as long as the caster is spot on.


In the game on testbug he said "This is going to be a +2 blink timing push". It wasn't.

I'm not taking sides on this argument, just pointing out what I observed.
@Axeltoss
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
July 04 2011 20:07 GMT
#256
This game reminds me of why I watch the GSL and almost nothing else. Hopefully we get some better quality matches soon.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
Juke290
Profile Joined March 2011
Egypt316 Posts
July 04 2011 20:07 GMT
#257
My favorite build to use on shakuras .
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
July 04 2011 20:07 GMT
#258
Haha... WhiteRa made that look too easy~~
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
July 04 2011 20:07 GMT
#259
Big props to MLG for having these matches played live instead of casting from replays ^^
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
July 04 2011 20:07 GMT
#260
On July 05 2011 05:06 snurre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 05:05 MCDayC wrote:
The funny thing is, this is a standard Whitera strategy on this map. I've seen this done on multiples games, even in tournaments.

I can't remember the last time I saw White-ra on shakuras without this build

Then you don't watch his stream or his games that usually.

Would you please let 2GD on with TLO :<
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