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Sadly it seems I have to put this up yet again. Any of the following types of posts will be met with immediate bans:
Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining/Off topic arguing.
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On June 20 2011 19:41 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:36 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 19:34 Telcontar wrote:On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:22 darlhet wrote:
so sad for naniwa currently there are no foreigners able to compete with the koreans, i dont get why .
i mean torch said somethign very smart about it: foreigner pros are interacting a lot with the comunity and not focusing nearly enough on the game, on the long term we're going to see the koreans dominating once again if the trend doesnt change.
and that's exactly what's happening
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ux8JL.jpg) And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. I'm really interested to see greenlanders play starcraft. The picture made its rounds on reddit a few weeks ago, the majority pointed out it's inaccuracy: Look at North Korea. That is incorrect. The majority tried to come up with explanations why this would be inaccurate, but no criticism would stick. Richard Lynn has spend whole books countering the arguments you are referring to, and he has done so well. Regarding the North Korean datapoint - it is based on a (relatively small) number of North Korean refugees in South Korea. Many other countries' datapoints are also based on small sample sizes. This is, however, irrelevant. Many studies have found the same broader pattern to be true, regardless of small variations in average IQ as a result of small sample size in some datapoints.
Even if it were true, averages say nothing about exceptional individuals like sc pro players.
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wtf is up with the psytrance, they having a rave there or what ^-^
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I mean, saying "ASIANS BETTER IN SC2 CUZ THEY HIGHER IQ!"
equals saying "USAIN BOLT BETTER THAN MESSI IN SOCCER CUZ HE SO FAST!"
, which is untrue.
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The IQ thing is a more sound argument then Torch, but still probably wrong. I'd imagine foreigners have a larger talent pool to compensate for the supposedly lower intelligence.
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- From eagles stream at MLG,
- to can the cat jump over the stream.
then we go to Europe dreamhack where we have
- is huk considered a korean or not
- koreans are better in sc2 because they have high IQ
TL LR thread is definitely going down in quality *_*
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Soccer has been played for a very long time in europe and south america.
If you actually look at South Korea and consider that it was spurred on by the 2002 WC, that's incredible progress for a 9 year history.
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On June 20 2011 19:43 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:42 Nesquik wrote:On June 20 2011 19:41 Gheizen64 wrote:On June 20 2011 19:34 Xpace wrote:On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:22 darlhet wrote:
so sad for naniwa currently there are no foreigners able to compete with the koreans, i dont get why .
i mean torch said somethign very smart about it: foreigner pros are interacting a lot with the comunity and not focusing nearly enough on the game, on the long term we're going to see the koreans dominating once again if the trend doesnt change.
and that's exactly what's happening
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. This man speaks the truth, but I expect waves and waves of hate responses to this. This is Teamliquid after all, a foreign SC2 website.. people can't handle the truth, you know D: I'd guess Teamliquid would come off deep red in those charts... lmao So black people are all good at soccer because they have better physical abilities? Go look the winners of the world cup. Not a single african country ever won it. The best player ever was white. Maybe it has to do with the level of investment you put in such a thing? Like, dunno, that's why europe and south america have always been dominating in soccer even if they're dumber than chinese and slower than africans. What Pele is white now ... ? he probably meant messi
Maradona was the best player ever, everyone knows that 
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On June 20 2011 19:44 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:41 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:36 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 19:34 Telcontar wrote:On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:22 darlhet wrote:
so sad for naniwa currently there are no foreigners able to compete with the koreans, i dont get why .
i mean torch said somethign very smart about it: foreigner pros are interacting a lot with the comunity and not focusing nearly enough on the game, on the long term we're going to see the koreans dominating once again if the trend doesnt change.
and that's exactly what's happening
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. I'm really interested to see greenlanders play starcraft. The picture made its rounds on reddit a few weeks ago, the majority pointed out it's inaccuracy: Look at North Korea. That is incorrect. The majority tried to come up with explanations why this would be inaccurate, but no criticism would stick. Richard Lynn has spend whole books countering the arguments you are referring to, and he has done so well. Regarding the North Korean datapoint - it is based on a (relatively small) number of North Korean refugees in South Korea. Many other countries' datapoints are also based on small sample sizes. This is, however, irrelevant. Many studies have found the same broader pattern to be true, regardless of small variations in average IQ as a result of small sample size in some datapoints. Even if it were true, averages say nothing about exceptional individuals like sc pro players.
i was actually flattered by the picture since i'm korean and all ^^
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On June 20 2011 19:43 samiamquinn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:42 Nesquik wrote:On June 20 2011 19:41 Gheizen64 wrote:On June 20 2011 19:34 Xpace wrote:On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:22 darlhet wrote:
so sad for naniwa currently there are no foreigners able to compete with the koreans, i dont get why .
i mean torch said somethign very smart about it: foreigner pros are interacting a lot with the comunity and not focusing nearly enough on the game, on the long term we're going to see the koreans dominating once again if the trend doesnt change.
and that's exactly what's happening
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. This man speaks the truth, but I expect waves and waves of hate responses to this. This is Teamliquid after all, a foreign SC2 website.. people can't handle the truth, you know D: I'd guess Teamliquid would come off deep red in those charts... lmao So black people are all good at soccer because they have better physical abilities? Go look the winners of the world cup. Not a single african country ever won it. The best player ever was white. Maybe it has to do with the level of investment you put in such a thing? Like, dunno, that's why europe and south america have always been dominating in soccer even if they're dumber than chinese and slower than africans. What Pele is white now ... ? Yeah. Who's better than Pele?
Maradona and Messi are both better than Pele.
This IQ argument is fucking retarded.
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On June 20 2011 19:45 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:43 thoradycus wrote:On June 20 2011 19:42 Nesquik wrote:On June 20 2011 19:41 Gheizen64 wrote:On June 20 2011 19:34 Xpace wrote:On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:22 darlhet wrote:
so sad for naniwa currently there are no foreigners able to compete with the koreans, i dont get why .
i mean torch said somethign very smart about it: foreigner pros are interacting a lot with the comunity and not focusing nearly enough on the game, on the long term we're going to see the koreans dominating once again if the trend doesnt change.
and that's exactly what's happening
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. This man speaks the truth, but I expect waves and waves of hate responses to this. This is Teamliquid after all, a foreign SC2 website.. people can't handle the truth, you know D: I'd guess Teamliquid would come off deep red in those charts... lmao So black people are all good at soccer because they have better physical abilities? Go look the winners of the world cup. Not a single african country ever won it. The best player ever was white. Maybe it has to do with the level of investment you put in such a thing? Like, dunno, that's why europe and south america have always been dominating in soccer even if they're dumber than chinese and slower than africans. What Pele is white now ... ? he probably meant messi Maradona was the best player ever, everyone knows that
When he was allowed to play with his hands, yeah
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are you guys seroiusly arguing over IQ? SEROIUSLY?
This is incredible. >_>
Anyways, I really really want HuK to show some results. I guess since he's guaranteed fourth this counts as results already, but PLeASE CHRIS, DO IT FOR YOUR COUNTRY!
Beat July. I'm staying up until 4 AM for you.
BEAT FUCKING JULY.
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Just report racist trolls like PraetorianX and move on. I honestly didn't think LR threads could become even worse. Guess I was wrong.
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On June 20 2011 19:41 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:36 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 19:34 Telcontar wrote:On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:22 darlhet wrote:
so sad for naniwa currently there are no foreigners able to compete with the koreans, i dont get why .
i mean torch said somethign very smart about it: foreigner pros are interacting a lot with the comunity and not focusing nearly enough on the game, on the long term we're going to see the koreans dominating once again if the trend doesnt change.
and that's exactly what's happening
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. I'm really interested to see greenlanders play starcraft. The picture made its rounds on reddit a few weeks ago, the majority pointed out it's inaccuracy: Look at North Korea. That is incorrect. The majority tried to come up with explanations why this would be inaccurate, but no criticism would stick. Richard Lynn has spend whole books countering the arguments you are referring to, and he has done so well. Regarding the North Korean datapoint - it is based on a (relatively small) number of North Korean refugees in South Korea. Many other countries' datapoints are also based on small sample sizes. This is, however, irrelevant. Many studies have found the same broader pattern to be true, regardless of small variations in average IQ as a result of small sample size in some datapoints.
Lol what is incorrect is trying to make "Richard Lynn has spend(spent? lol) whole books countering the arguments you are referring to, and he has done so well" seem like a factual assertion rather than an opinion. Also don't talk about many studies if you don't actually reference your claims. Moron.
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They do have smaller dicks tho. So obviously cutting your dick in half will make you a better player.
On a more serious note, I am impressed by Moon.
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this IQ argument is BS. Just because one says the average IQ for SKs is 105 doesnt mean specific progamers like MC has 105+.( not saying he has low IQ btw), and it doesnt mean that qxc has 80-90 IQ
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On June 20 2011 19:41 ribboo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:40 Nevuk wrote:
Uh the reason IQs in africa are so low has nothing to do with Africans being dumber and everything to do with IQ tests being culturally skewed towards a western idea of intelligence. IQ does not equal general intelligence, there is a correlation but it's certainly not a true indicator of intelligence so thats why asia has the highest iq ;s?
Asia is certainly beating the west at its own game and has been for the past few decades. (If we're talking reasons, primary one is probably education, education in the US for example for the average citizen is fairly sub-par). The US has a pretty deep seed of anti-intellectualism in a lot of its political thought, intelligence isn't really valued here like it is in Asian countries. I don't know enough about europe to say.
edit : This is ridiculously off-topic. No game is on-going right now though, so I don't think it matters much. Killing time between matches.
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Koreans train longer and more efficiently/effectively than foreign players. There's nothing more to it. We've seen it in all other sports. The county that has the the most efficient/effective training programs normally come out on top. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule, but that doesn't seem to be the case in Starcraft.
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On June 20 2011 19:41 PraetorianX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 19:36 youngminii wrote:On June 20 2011 19:34 Telcontar wrote:On June 20 2011 19:30 PraetorianX wrote:On June 20 2011 19:22 darlhet wrote:
so sad for naniwa currently there are no foreigners able to compete with the koreans, i dont get why .
i mean torch said somethign very smart about it: foreigner pros are interacting a lot with the comunity and not focusing nearly enough on the game, on the long term we're going to see the koreans dominating once again if the trend doesnt change.
and that's exactly what's happening
No offense but that's a pretty stupid comment from Torch. Interacting with the community doesn't make you a worse gamer by any means. Korean dominance has more do to with the (politically incorrect) fact that the average intelligence is higher in Korea and in East Asia in general, and that is also the reason China is pumping out millions of engineers and scientists, and Japan is a leader in hi-tech industries. And that's a big part of the reason why we see Koreans dominating these competitions. I'm really interested to see greenlanders play starcraft. The picture made its rounds on reddit a few weeks ago, the majority pointed out it's inaccuracy: Look at North Korea. That is incorrect. The majority tried to come up with explanations why this would be inaccurate, but no criticism would stick. Richard Lynn has spend whole books countering the arguments you are referring to, and he has done so well. Regarding the North Korean datapoint - it is based on a (relatively small) number of North Korean refugees in South Korea. Many other countries' datapoints are also based on small sample sizes. This is, however, irrelevant. Many studies have found the same broader pattern to be true, regardless of small variations in average IQ as a result of small sample size in some datapoints. so you really think the main reasons koreans are dominating sc2 is because of their superior intelligent?
im not going into the debate about how true that diagram is
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The average IQ is 106 in South Korea according to a pretty awful source. Average IQ in the UK is 100, dead on.
That's more or less the difference between a salesman and an administrator (ie not much). It has no real effect on the peak intellectual capability of a nation and certainly not on the average capable person in the street.
IQ, like most things, is a fluid unit that has diminishing returns. What you are seeing out of the Koreans is motivation and practice regimes. Claiming it has anything to do with IQ is ridiculous.
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