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On June 20 2011 05:47 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:45 Casta wrote:On June 20 2011 05:40 ZapRoffo wrote:
Did anyone notice that there was a red blob under idra's ramp to his 3rd base, also that of the 9 hydra reinforcement only like 5 of them were in the battle? I feel like he forgot a whole bunch of units at his 3rd base rally. Yea I did, suprised more people aren't commentating this instead of just instantly arguing about stalker vs roach imbalancement. I want to see a replay of that. Just to emphazise that again: Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:41 sleepingdog wrote:
Many of you seem to miss that IdrA had units all over the map - blocking the third with a couple of lings/roaches, having units constantly streaming in from all sides....if you rewatch the game in the future you hopefully realize that in the main battle IdrA was nowhere near at an advantage. Out of some strange reason IdrA managed to have nowhere near his full fighting supply going up against the army of MC. I really like to watch the rep too to find out were all these units where positioned. If I remember correctly IdrA also had a bunch of units IN his third protecting his mineral line against DTs.
Quoting this so more people can see it. Really hope we can get a replay of this match.
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On June 20 2011 05:46 Steamroller wrote:
I hope Naniwa pulls off a miracle or this is going to be one boring tournament again.
Exactly my thoughts.
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On June 20 2011 05:48 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:47 Xpace wrote:On June 20 2011 05:46 leungwk01 wrote:
Koreans once again rolling another tournament
Even with top EU/US player its the same story
Anyway
socke>huk
sen>july
bomber>mc
moon>naniwa
And MC owns everyone. even sen.. It will never change. Koreans will always be better than foreigners. It's not fanboyism or racism, it's the simple truth. Unfortunately people won't accept that. Korea has the talent, the infrastructure, the work ethic, everything. I don't see the foreign scene catching up for at least 3+ years, if not ever.
First of all I don't see why that is unfortunate... but also nearly everyone accepts that, but people are just cheering for the foreigners.
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In my opinion, dealing with a mass blink stalker army is hard for zerg.
You need enough infestor to fungal everything, or a lot of ling, or Hydra with enougg protection.
But all are soft counter against a stalker ball huge enough.
I have some pity for Idra right now, losing in every tournament to the same player gonna hurt your mentality a lot. :/
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On June 20 2011 05:47 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:32 Glaven wrote:
Ridiculous... losing with a 70 supply advantage? Srsly? A 3 supply VR beats 200 drones/roach. You can't just look at supply.
Well, it actually doesn't in that case ever since Mondragon played in TSL. lol
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On June 20 2011 05:48 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:44 taldarimAltar wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 Scribble wrote:On June 20 2011 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad  70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers. Massing pure Roach = bad play. I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit. The problem with this statement is the "Idra can't win with one unit" remark, when that's exactly what MC did. Not saying there is necessarily an imbalance, just pointing out that your statement doesn't make sense. How does zerg win with a single unit? Blink stalkers can do it but even MC had sentries Funny enough Sen completely destroyed Sase by maxing out on pure roach at like 13 minutes against stalker sentry. But I mean Sase is no MC, even though some people in this thread claim that Sase is on par with him.
You gotta abuse that exact timing, where you're just maxing with roaches and thus their secondary cost of being supply-heavy doesn't matter yet. IdrA did not, and MC stabilized with way too many units (and enough upgrades/tech).
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On June 20 2011 05:43 SkytoM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:40 nvs. wrote:you can't claim "I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit" when MC won with a handfull of sentries (comparable to the handfull of lings by idra) and mass stalkers and immortals... and DTs.... godddddd wtf? there was one immortal, no dt , no sentry left at the end fight. MC won with exactly 1 unit.
god the ignorance these posts have...
don't you realize blink stalkers are a COUNTER to roaches?
its like going all lings against hellions (although not that extreme) then whining, hey he only made 1 unit, i only made 1 unit, why'd i lose?
some of the people that post here are either so blinded by their idra love or just flat out not knowledgeable.
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On June 20 2011 05:42 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad 70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers. Massing pure Roach = bad play. I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit. The problem with this statement is the "Idra can't win with one unit" remark, when that's exactly what MC did. Not saying there is necessarily an imbalance, just pointing out that your statement doesn't make sense.
If you don't believe forcefields kept MC alive in Idra's initial push near MC's expo, then I don't know what to say.
Also, that immortal did a metric fuck ton of damage.
That isn't one unit. That is using many units properly.
Also understand that people just can't wish units into existence. MC was trapped and had to all-in with blink stalkers because he couldn't get a 3rd. Infestors may have not been the ideal unit to get because it wouldn't come fast enough to make a difference.
But the hydra den probably should have come a bit sooner.
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On June 20 2011 05:43 ragnorr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:42 eot wrote:
I'm not angry that IdrA lost (I was cheering for MC) but does anyone agree that maybe Stalkers should be 3 supply? I just think that if you max out on upgraded Stalkers it's a bit too strong, you get too many of them. Zerg has this nice unit called an infestor which completly shut down blink play
Don't give them advice, man.
That'll remove one of their options of their endless whining coming from especially bronzergs and ignorant IdrAlings.
MC went for DTs, IdrA countered it perfectly and the MC went for the best thing you could go for at that time in the game vs Roaches, and did flawless micro. And not to mention IdrA sacrificing a bunch of mis-rallied roaches/lings.
Also, blink stalkers are not low tier. As you progress and blink requires time, gas, mins and Templar Archives, it'll never be as low a tier as some make it.
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On June 20 2011 05:42 Pipeline wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:40 Ariovist wrote:
So, which idiot schedule that most interesting matches for MONDAY, a day, where normal people have to work -.- Can I point out that Dreamhack is (unfortunately) mainly a LAN event. Sorry for the people that arent on site or not on vacation :<
Now that doesn't make any sense. Take Formula 1 for instance, they always try to get the timing to fit the most viewers (V i e w e r s), altough it is a circuit race with spectators on the spot.
In most sports the finals are always the Sunday anyway, cause of the viewers attendance.
SOoo yeah, so much for the finals, hope they will change their scheduling a little for the upcoming "lan" on the interwebz.
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On June 20 2011 05:47 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:43 grobo wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 Femari wrote:
who does moon play tomorrow? He's getting outclassed by Naniwa tomorrow I'm sure before he played Whitera most people would have said/did say the same thing. Shame Moon crushed Whitera tho. Yes naniwa is better than whitera but don't act like this is a given.
I wouldn't say he crushed white-ra honestly, I only saw game 2 but he shouldn't have won that...
Way inferior army and just managed to take out every building of white-ra's while he was on the other side of the map.
Moon got lucky with White-ra not reacting to the nydus
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On June 20 2011 05:46 XiGua wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 20 2011 05:41 Primal666 wrote:On June 20 2011 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad 70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers. Massing pure Roach = bad play. I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit. MC can *Trollface* MC made two. Your forgot Sentries. Then IdrA made 3 and MC also made 3. Zerglings, Hydras, Roaches Sentries, Stalkers, Immortal(s)
IdrA had a negligible amount of Zerglings and his Hydralisks didn't even participate in the final battle. Sentries were the unit that stopped IdrA's Roach push before the last battle. Big difference.
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On June 20 2011 05:49 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:46 Steamroller wrote:
I hope Naniwa pulls off a miracle or this is going to be one boring tournament again. .... what? seeing better players win games is boring? :|
When u see the same players winning again and again, yes.
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Which game was it this tournament that had like 20 ravens?
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I really don't think a foreigner final is an impossibilty. Naniwa will probably beat moon as he 2-0'd him at MLG, and he should atleast have a decent shot at beating the winner of MC vs Bomber. All of July's side are pretty good vs zerg, and his ZvZ is not that strong so i don't think he's certain to advance either.
So exciting (:
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Its disgusting to see all these bans when people just say 'mc played poorly' or 'idra cant micro'... its like living in the third reich
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Total number of Koreans eliminated by foreigners in MLG and Dreamhack: ZERO
Looks like the foreign scene is as much of a joke in SC2 as it was in BW.
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and MC had probes so..it was still basicly a 96 food army vs a 48 food army and Z got destroyed
umm... if idra has 70 probes and MC had 40.... that means a 30 food different in ARMY.
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On June 20 2011 05:43 grobo wrote:He's getting outclassed by Naniwa tomorrow
Maybe not. Moon probably has learned from the games against Naniwa at MLG. I hope so at least for Moon.
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