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Sadly after all this time with so many tournament threads it still is not clear to many users on this site. There are several types of posts that are not acceptable in tournament threads. Any form of:

Imbalance whine/Player bashing/Caster bashing/Stream complaining

Will result in two day to a week long bans even for first offenses. Please stick to the games at hand and enjoy yourselves with a beautiful event such as this and the free service that comes with it.
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11861
great I have class in the morning. Guess I wont catch these awesome matches tmr.
YoungNeil
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada328 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11862
On June 20 2011 05:39 Steamroller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:36 Moonling wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:34 holycrapitsTony wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:34 Scrandom wrote:
4/4 Koreans, +huk who is pretty much counted as korean.


How do you figure HuK is pretty much counted as a Korean?


He lives and trains in Korea with Korean players in a korean team house. See how that works?


Huk has been terribad for a long time, no results worth to mention. Beating Moon does not make him that good in my eyes.

He won MLG Raleigh. That doesn't mean he's a good player now , but saying that he has "no results worth mentioning" is obviously incorrect. I think he's pretty good, but I haven't seen him play since he beat MMA in the Up and Down matches. He certainly made a lot of questionable plays and control mistakes in his Code A run, but he seems pretty capable overall. I would expect him to keep improving, hopefully he does.

Jinro...I really don't know. I don't think he's Grandmasters in Korea, actually. Makes me sad to remember where he was not even six months ago, hopefully he can bring back his old self soon. We could look at Ret for comparison, I guess, but I don't think he ever really slumped as hard as Jinro seems to be doing now.
WhurreOdu
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1739 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11863
I don't understand why White-Ra didn't build any Pylons in the last game vs. Moon? He had slided a couple of drones to Moons base when the base trades occured. Can somebody tell me that?
Fut am Bam
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11864
On June 20 2011 05:40 nvs. wrote:
Show nested quote +
you can't claim "I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit" when MC won with a handfull of sentries (comparable to the handfull of lings by idra) and mass stalkers


and immortals... and DTs....

godddddd


wtf? there was one immortal, no dt , no sentry left at the end fight. MC won with exactly 1 unit.
Bisu... ;-(
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11865
On June 20 2011 05:42 Femari wrote:
who does moon play tomorrow?


He's getting outclassed by Naniwa tomorrow
We make signature, then defense it.
TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11866
at which time are the games tomorrow?
HawtLove
Profile Joined May 2011
United States113 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11867
Seriously, is it that hard for you guys to understand that IdrA was simply outplayed? How are stalkers imba when theyre upgraded better than the roaches they are fighting (AND do bonus damage to). IdrA burrowed INTO an observer and lost like 1/4 of his roaches, after wasting a few to FFs before tunneling claws was done. Better upgraded blink stalkers + an immortal (THE hard ground-counter to roaches) vs 0/1 roaches = win. Stop spouting all this IMBA bullshit IdrA was simply outplayed.

PS. It helps that IdrA didnt micro whatsoever.
"When the game is over, the king and the pawn go back to the same box."
Bergys
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden337 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11868
For the people that are unable to think beyond food counts:

170 supply vs 112 (Unsure of exact food counts but point still stands).
Both players have 65ish drones. Idra has 3-4 queens? That leaves MC with an army supply of 48 and idra with and army supply of 94.

Roach Cost = 75/25
Roach total minerals = 3525
Roach Total Gas = 1175
Stalker Cost = 125/50
Stalker total Minerals = 3000
Stalker total Gas = 1200
Idra also had a higher supply = extra overlords so that factors in aswell.

MC had +2 while idra only had +1. Stalkers are also strong vs roaches since they do +damage to armor. MC also had blink and idra did not have any infestors or similar to counter it. Idra still had a stronger army value, but nowhere near as 170 supply vs 112 makes it sounds.
Cyberpansy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States24 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11869
Idra just got outmacroed. He was ahead in supply, bases, managed to delay MC's second base. If he can't win a game against MC where he has everything going for him then there is something else going on. Also, I feel that Idra should really experiment with strong counter-attacks. That first game I felt like he had a huge opportunity when MC moved out.
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11870
On June 20 2011 05:39 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:32 shaman6ix wrote:
go ahaid brainwashed idra minions, whine about balance despite idra playing painfully bad

70 food lead = bad play? oh, wow, idra haters are just as bad as idra lovers.


Massing pure Roach = bad play. I'm sorry that IdrA can't win with one unit.

Well, MC did win with one unit.

I missed the update where stalkers got forcefields.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11871
On June 20 2011 05:41 Malinor wrote:
Please for the love of god, let at least one foreigner eliminate a korean tomorrow. The rest of the world needs some hope.

Nani v Moon is possible (since he did it in MLG, but nobody considers beating Moon a big event).

Really, it's probably up to Sen v July. The winner of Bomber/MC will almost be guaranteed to win the tournament.
the farm ends here
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11872
On June 20 2011 05:42 eot wrote:
I'm not angry that IdrA lost (I was cheering for MC) but does anyone agree that maybe Stalkers should be 3 supply? I just think that if you max out on upgraded Stalkers it's a bit too strong, you get too many of them.


No. Mass Blink Stalkers get completely and utterly raped by Fungal Growth and 3 Supply Stalkers would completely destroy Protoss army balance, not to mention it would ruin the early game.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11873
Poor White-RA. God of war just owning him like a little nub =\
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11874
On June 20 2011 05:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:36 Ruyguy wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:35 Theoren wrote:
Idra made way to many drones and didn't have much of an army advantage. When you consider MC has blink and +2 weapons it's no surprise he steamrolled Idra's pure Roach army. Idra's ZvP is pretty bad and he seems to have a mental block not only against MC but in the match up in general.

but honestly I still hate the fact that a 170 supply army cannot kill a 110 protoss army.....kinda bullshit despite still being pure roach.


No, it's not bullshit. You don't just get to sit back and go "herp derp spam R after making 100 Drones" and then say that you deserve a win.

Not only that, IdrA probably had more workers than MC, meaning his army wasn't actually 60 larger.

so 35 roachs vs 2 base sat which is wat like 50-60 probes so that would mean like 1 immortal and maybe 20 stalkers

User was warned for this post
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11875
On June 20 2011 05:42 eot wrote:
I'm not angry that IdrA lost (I was cheering for MC) but does anyone agree that maybe Stalkers should be 3 supply? I just think that if you max out on upgraded Stalkers it's a bit too strong, you get too many of them.


I don't think we are good enough to know that.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11876
On June 20 2011 05:42 chaopow wrote:
To be totally honest, Idra should have won game 2. He outplayed MC outright and completely stopped his dt rush. He even forced the nexus cancel. Idra needs to add lings and try to get surrounds and flanks when engaging. Make roaches cost 3 supply and have them spawn 2 at a time like zerglings???

Too cheap on the larva.
CroDeadman
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia76 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#11877
How'd Bombers game finish?
Official bitch of Artanis[Xp]
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
June 19 2011 20:44 GMT
#11878
On June 20 2011 05:38 godemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:37 Jyvblamo wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:36 minhchi1211 wrote:
I want Idra win so bad we were able to wipe out only Moon

And even Moon is still in the tourney

I am surprised Moon at every event, he keeps on doing well. wtf?


Haters gon' hate, what can you do. Moon could win the next 17 MLGs and GSLs and would probably still be doubted by many and called an "almost good Korean" or w/e the common term is for him. He's been damn good since the first time I saw him and I'm utterly unimpressed by his performances in recent tournys. I mean that his performance doesn't SURPRISE me because I KNOW he's capable of it and more. Moon to advance to semis.
Phant
Profile Joined August 2010
United States737 Posts
June 19 2011 20:44 GMT
#11879
Blink stalkers pretty much hard counter roaches. With greater range and good blink micro, you can have all your stalkers attack all the roaches with only the first line of roaches attacking stalkers.

Also, there was that one immortal in the front racking up kills since it wasn't focused down.

Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 19 2011 20:44 GMT
#11880
On June 20 2011 05:41 InvalidID wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:38 ODieN wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:36 Moonling wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:34 holycrapitsTony wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:34 Scrandom wrote:
4/4 Koreans, +huk who is pretty much counted as korean.


How do you figure HuK is pretty much counted as a Korean?


He lives and trains in Korea with Korean players in a korean team house. See how that works?

That still doesn't make you Korean. HuK isn't even from USA; he's Canadian.

Huk lived in the USA until age 16. He identifies himself as Canadian/American, from what I've seen of his stream.


Holy fucking shit. Who gives a shit about this argument.

HuK is of US/Canadian citizenship, but currently has more of a Korean playstyle from playing there. Everyone should really just drop it, especially since this is the argument.

1: HuK is Koreans.
2: No HuK wasn't born in Korea.
1: No, HuK plays in Korea.
2: No, HuK wasn't born there though.
1: No, but HuK plays there now.
2: No but he wasn't born there so he isn't Korean.

You guys are just both arguing true facts, and not getting anywhere. All you are really arguing over are semantics... why do you care about semantics so much?
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