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udgnim

United States8024 Posts

June 05 2011 23:16 GMT

#22941

going to have MMA vs Losira finals with match at 2-0 for MMA

FarbrorAbavna

Sweden4856 Posts

June 05 2011 23:16 GMT

#22942

man that looked closer than it was

Refreshe

United States141 Posts

June 05 2011 23:16 GMT

#22943

Losira showing how a Code S plays zerg.

Parsistamon

United States390 Posts

June 05 2011 23:16 GMT

#22944

but Idra, I thought protoss was unbeatable...

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

June 05 2011 23:16 GMT

#22945

completely botched that ff oh man

SenorChang

Australia4730 Posts

June 05 2011 23:16 GMT

#22946

On June 06 2011 08:13 BrahCJ wrote:

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On June 06 2011 08:05 ellirc wrote:

On June 06 2011 08:02 BrahCJ wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:52 Heavenly wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:48 BrahCJ wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
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Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?

I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.

Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.

Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....

They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?

+1
not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers

I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney.
Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000.
You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.

And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.

I'm not saying
"BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG.
I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.

If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about.

Except for the part where the foreigners are gone for ONE MONTH. For one whole month they can't compete in any "westerner" tourneys/showmatches without lagging around everywhere. Where with the MLG, the Koreans are "out of action" for THREE DAYS, and even for those 3 days, the GSL stops, so they're not losing any other potential income.
Which is why you've seen the best Koreans out there in July, MC, Losira, and MMA accept, where the best foreigners have already said
"No I will not take the Code A ticket, to leave for 30 days."

Even more so, when 4th place MLG attracts the same amount of prize money as first place Code A.

So we have... 10 times the length, losing tourneys, for 1/3rd of the cash. Foreigners are getting 30 times less potential money per day, and they're getting treated better?

Yes, they are getting treated better. As you can see the Korean scene is far better. A month of training in Korea is MUCH better than winning a couple $100 tournaments every week even if you don't perform well in Code A. And not being able to perform in Code A is NOTHING BUT THE FOREIGNER'S FAULT. sorry for GOMTV expecting the 6.5 billion other people in the world outside of Korea to produce at least one competitive foreigner. which I hope is Naniwa, and I hope he gets accepted into the ogs house somehow.

The koreans have had 20 years of being on Korea.... You expect Naniwa to take a Code A spot, be there for a month, then join the Koreans on their level?.....
In order to LIVE in Korea like Jinro and HuK do, you NEED money. Whats the way a SC2 player gets money? Sponsors, and tourneys. Liquid has good enough sponsors to afford it, as so does FXO. The majority (regardless of skill) simply cant afford it.

At this rate, we won't see Nani/Thorzain at the next MLG.
Then, over time, you will see Americans lose interest in playing professionally too, because the only things they can win are the $100 show matches each week. Then, the crowds will leave. The die hards (like yourself and I) will still keep an eye on GomTV, but NA will lose depth.

Don't kid yourself. The same thing happened in SC1. Why would SC2 go any different with the same direction?

You have no clue. Just the mere fact that a few pro gamers have a house in Sweden should indicate that THIS IS NOT BW. Why are you so depressed?

I'm not depressed, I'm concerend. Read my first post and you will see why.

A couple of pro houses in Europe, and a couple in NA mean that the entire westerner scene is safe-as-"houses" ? I disagree.
These houses cost MONEY.

As the prize money increases, and we attract more attention from the Koreans, NA players will find it harder to win, and thus harder to pay rent. Then the houses are gone.
I don't know why people don't understand the economics of the situation at hand.

If you want SC2 to be for the elite only, expect it to go the way of BW.

Oh well.... At least we might learn the lesson for SC3, in 2034

You do realise that the majority of earnings for an SC2 player (unless you are MC or nestea) is not from tournament winnings but from streaming / coaching / salary from team + sponsorships. you seem misinformed, players don't need to win prize money to pay their rents lol

eviltomahawk

United States11135 Posts

June 05 2011 23:16 GMT

#22947

Wow, everyone is trying to Roach-rush MC. Considering that MC is going for DTs, will it finally succeed this time?!?

Man that push was surprisingly effective. MC almost died right there.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

June 05 2011 23:17 GMT

#22948

DT sprinting to the 3rd of Losira!

Z3kk

4099 Posts

June 05 2011 23:17 GMT

#22949

On June 06 2011 08:15 rabidch wrote:

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Yep, at 1431 pages but now locked.

This thread will probably not break it. I remember when every time I refreshed, there were 2 more pages; this was the first time that I refreshed and didn't even see a new post! >.<

Ooh, DT for MC going to Losira's third.