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i hope LosirA > MC so he can see MMA vs LosirA again!
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hmm.. Losira is still twitching :/
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On June 06 2011 07:54 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:53 Golgotha wrote:On June 06 2011 07:52 hasuterrans wrote:On June 06 2011 07:49 cheesemaster wrote:On June 06 2011 07:44 FliedLice wrote:On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
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Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?
Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.
Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC? I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude. Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best. Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3.... They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse? +1 not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers  I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney. Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000. You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is. And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter. I'm not saying "BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG. I'm asking for no privledges. Equality. If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about. Getting into code a and competing a month long 1300$ first price tournament with probably the 2nd highest skill level in the world is a pretty shitty deal. First of all you get an all expenses paid trip to korea, second of all sure the tournament isnt top heavy but it has pretty much the same prize pool as MLG, and really its not a month long tournament first of all the round of 32 and the round of 16 happen over the course of 5 days now so if you lose in that time nothing is stopping you from going back home as you didnt make it to the up and down matches, if your still in the tournament after that its worth staying the extra week and a half to 2 weeks for the up and down matches or to see if you win code a (code a winner gets a spot in code s now) honestly its a huge opportunity and GSL is far more prestigious then MLG i dont see why players wouldnt want to try it out for a few weeks to see if they could get code s, if they get knocked out before the round of 8 no harm no foul go home and you got a free 5 day vacation in korea, you could stay longer and see the sights if you wanted too, god knows i would do that for sure. I'll add that the real value in the Code A/Code S (not this tournament) invites is getting to compete against the best players in the world. A lot of foreign progamers aren't interested in becoming the best and don't want to compete against the Koreans. Not everyone is like Huk, Jinro or Naniwa, Thorzain who both want to go to Korea to become better not for easy money. smart man. for a true gamer and competitor, it aint about the money. it's about the chance for eternal glory. people don't understand why jinro skyrocketed into fandom. it aint because he won a mlg, it's cuz he got into the semifinals of GSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! play against the best because the rest dont matter. And risk losing substantial amounts of money unless you're already on an extremely well supported team. You can't act like logistics suddenly don't matter just because you're playing the best players.
dude MLG and GSL cover the winners that get Code A or S. 
they even have a house for the foreigners. the support is there, the foreigners just need to grow balls like jinro and huk. IMO
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whats wrong with losira he keeps jittering in the booth
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wonder how tired/jet lagged Losira is
really seems like he's arching his head to look at the ceiling of the booth to stay awake
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its so easy same game same build, only that overlord is 1 cm nearer to stargate -> much easier to react for the zerg
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wow losira is twitching hard, soon he'll be going from wall to wall inside that booth
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On June 06 2011 07:55 Mobius_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:53 Pekkz wrote:Poll: Need SOTG This week?Yes (91) 92% No (8) 8% 99 total votes Your vote: Need SOTG This week? (Vote): Yes
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Need my weekly Day9 and IdrA balance "debate".
Seriously. I don't know how you cannot bring them on to discuss such a tourney lmao.
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Wow he takes his eyes off of the game every minute or so... <_<
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On June 06 2011 07:54 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:53 Pekkz wrote:Poll: Need SOTG This week?Yes (91) 92% No (8) 8% 99 total votes Your vote: Need SOTG This week? (Vote): Yes
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They need to do a MLG wrap-up and then they can take a month or so off like JP wanted. This tournament NEEDS to be discussed.
Pretty obvious don't you think? I'd say americans NEED to CHILL OUT and get real too...
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Why is everyone now freaking out about Koreans? is it because they wrecked MLG?
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On June 06 2011 07:53 Pekkz wrote:Poll: Need SOTG This week?Yes (91) 92% No (8) 8% 99 total votes Your vote: Need SOTG This week? (Vote): Yes
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who would answer "no" to that ? :p
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love this a mlg. a truly awesome tournament.
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Must be all that nos they're drinking, that stuff always makes me jittery to be honest.
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MCrays incoming....will they end another game?
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Go losira!! :o
Can't believe he beat MMA, missed the games
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On June 06 2011 07:55 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:53 Numy wrote:On June 06 2011 07:51 Blitzkrieg09 wrote:On June 06 2011 07:45 Heavenly wrote:On June 06 2011 07:40 mholden02 wrote:
Saying you prefer to watch Foreigners is not "RACIST", its more nationalistic. You want "Your Team" to win and the excitement wears off without a rooting interest.
If Thorzain or Idra were this far I must agree, it would be much more entertaining as the Foreign scene has really taken to these two players. They seem to have touched a nerve. Naniwa, not so much, although he might be the best of the three. It is racist because Thorzain and Naniwa and IdrA are from completely different places. Two are European (both Swedish I think?) and IdrA is American. At least one of them is not from your continent. So it is white guys versus Koreans, which is literally racist to prefer your own skin color over another. Thorzain, Idra, and Thorzain are all the same race, caucasian. Pulling for your race is not racist. Putting down a race because of their race is racist. I think it's silly anyway. I just love watching great SC2 players. I don't care what race they are. People were chanting USA when Idra beat MC, I think that is silly. I'm American but would much rather watch ThorZain or MMA than Painuser. Rooting for someone or something based purely of race is racism. I've been staying out of this whole racism argument but I just can't ignore your illogical argument. I am Korean. I root for South Korea in FIFA. You call that racist?
You're rooting for a team. He was rooting for a group of people solely based on their race (non-Koreans).
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On June 06 2011 07:56 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:55 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:54 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:53 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:52 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:51 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:50 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:49 Drazerk wrote: MC vs Losira  Game One starting soon First map will be played on Shakuras plateau In the top right is MC while in the bottom left is losira 1:10 Extractor trick from losira 1:50 MC goes for forge first 2:20 Pool then gas for losira 3:00 Nexus on the way for MC 4:00 Ling speed starting for Losira 5:45 Third base on the way for Losira 6:40 Stargate finishes Evo chamber on the way
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Void ray and pheonixes are now out
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On June 06 2011 07:50 Aristodemus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:48 TooN wrote:On June 06 2011 07:46 Aristodemus wrote:On June 06 2011 07:39 redFF wrote:On June 06 2011 07:29 Munchkin wrote:
Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players. No, wrong. Most western viewers like to watch the best players play. Just because you don't care or haven't heard of the best players in the world doesn't mean the rest of us haven't. But yes I agree MLG is for foreigners Koreans should join the open bracket like everybody else. If you dumped 4 top koreans in the open bracket there would be no foreigners getting through, is that what you want? We want to watch the best players. Period. So do I, you missed my point.
No you missed the point,International players need to get slammed hard by the koreans so they see how far behind they actually are.You can only become better if someone better than you comes around and opens your eyes.
For instance take Tyler.I love the guy to death but he isn't(he said so a number of times)practicing sometimes.
Why would we settle for players that are not up to par skill wise with the koreans?
If you ask me i would fly Koreans in for as much events as possible so they can take them all.
Foreigners really need to buckle down and sort some things out if they want to be real pros.
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