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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22041
On June 06 2011 07:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:41 Binabik wrote:
I hope Losira does try to all-in MC =D


Does a baneling bust ever beat a protoss in ZvP? I don't think I've seen it work all day.

FD did it to Inca in GSL1, following the reverse-Inca rule.
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22042
Will Koreans come to every MLG from now?
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22043
On June 06 2011 07:42 eYeball wrote:
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On June 06 2011 07:40 Niruz wrote:
Why is the losira vs mc match coming up? Isnt the third place match before the finals?


Because that's the way the MLG format is. Haven't you been watching the brackets at all?

No that is the 3rd place match? first place match is winner of losira vs mc
fghtuetg
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany65 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22044
75min until NBA Finals, I hope MLG is finished until then. I don't wanna miss either of the Finals :/
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22045
maybe Losira will show Idra how to play ZvP...
blah blah blah...
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22046
On June 06 2011 07:41 Severedevil wrote:
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On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.

These are pretty close to the top Koreans. MC is generally recognized as #1 Protoss, Losira/July as arguably the best non-Nestea Zergs, and MMA is one of the best Korean Terrans.

Korea could have sent a stronger crew, but not by much.

I would personally like to see a team of Nestea, MVP, Bomber, MKP, and MC coming over. Would just love to see the foreigner fan's QQ more.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22047
It's really amazing that MMA has set a new bar for TvZ play with his super aggressive late game multi-pronged drop-based play and the destroy-own-OC-build .

In all honesty though, he really does set a new standard for late game TvZ where you attack pretty much every where. We saw it against DRG, Sheth and July and in all three games he was a bit sloppy but his multitask just overstrained and overwhelmed his opponents.

Just hope that he stays consistent and remembers to wall-off and not target fire his own OC.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22048
On June 06 2011 07:41 Coutcha wrote:
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On June 06 2011 07:39 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:15 jj33 wrote:
yodagonemad,

you're a racist just say it and you're a moron.

you sound like those people back in the day when they complained about having black people play with the white people in football or basketball.

you're pathetic, anybody who wants segregation of competition in this day and age is a moron.


I don't want segregation, if they wanna pay their own way I welcome the competition. I don't feel like we should pay them to come kill our scene.

This is what we call racism....

and ur a moron indeed....


I don't agree with YodaGoneMad but fucking stop calling him a racist for stuff that clearly isn't racist...
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22049
On June 06 2011 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
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On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.

Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.

Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter.


What?

MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star.

Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed.


He probally just means they are not the top 5 koreans, some of them probally not even top10-15.

MC has obviously proven himself, but it may be a little soon to say Losira and MMA have done it.
Specially Losira, he had one really good season, but there have been several players that looked like stars and haven't gone anywhere.

July has his ups and downs, but I would probally not put him in the top of the korean scene.[

Moon is definatelly not impressive on Korea, but still dominates western events.

MLG actually got some pretty good koreans, maybe not Nestea, MVP, MKP, etc, but definatelly better than NASL and IEM.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22050
On June 06 2011 07:42 Pajegetc wrote:
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On June 06 2011 07:38 setzer wrote:
MMA = best TvZ in the world?


Yes, hand's down.


I think both Sc and MKP are better. Seriously Losira is known to have horrible ZvT!
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22051
Drunk guys is swaying and almost falling over.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22052
On June 06 2011 07:42 TheSubtleArt wrote:
Ret got so unlucky in the GSL running into MMA first round. He was unknown to a lot of people back then, but a lot of the top players were recognizing MMA as having one of the best TvZs in Korea. No shame in losing to him ret : (

haha back then every time I saw the name Cchapsseungeu or whatever I cringed. I'ts worse than German.
DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22053
On June 06 2011 07:40 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:39 CellTech wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:36 SoSexy wrote:
And they say zerg is the most mobile race. A nerf for dropships is seriously needed


I dont see why High level zergs dont double-up on CRUCIAL buildings at far expos.

No reason to have the entire game riding on a single structure.

oh, and inb4 ban

because it's extremely inefficient? Might as well say terran should have 3 bunkers at each expo and 5 turrets just to be super safe. It's inefficient and a waste of resources.


Yeah.... at "high level" you rely on your skills to prevent stuff like that from happening and cut as many corners as possible. Playing scared and redundant for what MIGHT happen is markedly low level.
fartdra
Profile Joined June 2011
92 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22054
On June 06 2011 07:43 st3roids wrote:
Losira is the second best zerg in the world atm like it or not


so nestea then losira? what about zenio
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-05 22:45:16
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22055
On June 06 2011 07:42 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:38 setzer wrote:
MMA = best TvZ in the world?


Yes, hand's down.


i fking love his TvZ. Drop mania. and his engagements and marine splits are gosu. I think his results speak for themselves :D

Beat DRG, July, and Losira. But the haters will say he sucks cuz he "can only perform in gstl, hasn't beaten Nestea, and is stuck in Code A".


OH. and he 2-0ed IdrA.....

yeah, tell me again with a straight face that his TvZ is not Godly.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22056
On June 06 2011 07:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:38 BrahCJ wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?


I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.

Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.

Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....

They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?


+1
not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers



I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney.
Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000.
You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.

And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.


I'm not saying
"BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG.
I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.


If anything foreigners are getting the better treatment. The GOM/MLG deal gives MLG winners auto-seeds into Code A/S (don't remember the exact details right at the moment), and both of those tournaments are far, far more competitive and difficult to perform in (or even get into) than MLG. GOM is doing the exact same thing for foreigners so you don't have a whole lot to complain about.


Getting into code a and competing a month long 1300$ first price tournament with probably the 2nd highest skill level in the world is a pretty shitty deal.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22057
Cool too see top 3 player play p,z,t. So this game is actually balanced.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22058
On June 06 2011 07:43 Funkatron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:38 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.

Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.

Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter.


What?

MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star.

Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed.

White-Ra

Naniwa is better than White-ra.
Cackle™
cheesemaster
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1975 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22059
On June 06 2011 07:42 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:39 jalstar wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:37 Chicane wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:36 StarStruck wrote:

On June 06 2011 07:33 cheesemaster wrote:
so losira plays mc? and then the winner of that plays mma?


Yes.


And this might be the first MLG without an extended series finals!


Idra-Select at DC.

Are there ever extended series in the finals? :s

I'm pretty sure Kiwikaki simply beat Naniwa 2-1 in the first series of the final and then lost 2-0 the second. I could be wrong though, but afaik the finlas are never extended series, but two series instead.

not it was extended series
Slayers_MMA The terran who beats terrans
Coutcha
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada519 Posts
June 05 2011 22:44 GMT
#22060
On June 06 2011 07:44 Xadar wrote:
Will Koreans come to every MLG from now?

Well I hope so :D

They make much much better game :DDD
This is what the world is for Making ELECTRICITY :D
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