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On June 06 2011 07:33 maliceee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:30 jj33 wrote:On June 06 2011 07:22 Ryka wrote:On June 06 2011 07:20 jj33 wrote:On June 06 2011 07:18 hmmm... wrote:On June 06 2011 07:14 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:04 mordk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:00 Genome852 wrote:MMA did "wall in" with the CC at first. But he made the mistake of not realizing that the CC has a rounded model, even if the grid is a square... so lings just ran by the sides of the CC. On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. What? Are you implying games aren't worth watching just because of the players' nationality? They aren't "random Koreans" either. So stupid.... Don't reply to these comments.. people watch games for different reasons. I do because I love starcraft, which means I'll be happy to watch koreans at the top if they are truly the best. Other people watch for the hype, and they feel more excited when their homies play. I understand the feelings of many people, although I feel that shouldn't make them miss quality starcraft games. There is no shortage of quality games, what makes MLG and other tournaments special to me is cheering for personalities I know. Just having random amazing players, that don't speak the language, that are not involved in the western scene (don't stream, don't go on shows, don't contribute) I just don't care about their results. A korean wins, which one? I certainly don't care, in fact, koreans will take home all the big money, because they are top 3. bitter foreigner much? you're a fucking racist. he absolutely is. It's not racist to only be interested in watching players you know. I don't care about watching barcelona vs real madrid in the champions league, but as soon as a british team's involved I will watch! No he is racist. If Koreans were considered a "white race" he'd have no problem with it. His whining comes down to racist under the guise of all his other bullshit he's spouting. Oh and also players he knows? this is a global game, anybody who follows sc2, knows alot of korean players. please. Youre so wrong. Select isn't "white". Racism has nothing to do with this. I don't agree with him at all, I want Koreans in MLG it made it 50X better, but your statement is inflammatory and false.
stopped reading, when someone said: "I want to cheer for Players I know" obviously that person doesn't know the sc2 scene really well.. If Mlg invited some lesser famous koreans like Polt, kyrix, clide or whoever I could have understood that statement but Mc, MMA, July, Moon and Losira srsly?
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I hope MMA wins his Code S pass through MLG.
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On June 06 2011 07:35 happyness wrote:
IF I HAVE TO HEAR THAT FUCKING SONG BY THAT AWFUL BAND IN THAT STUPID BING COMMERCIAL I'M GOING TO KILL A BABY
This is my biggest complaint with MLG <_< If they ditched the stupid bing commercial, I'd be inclined to watch with ads.
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MMA plays like a random diamond level player when he's not pressured, but when he gets pressured, it seems like he literally goes super saiyan mode and plays like a God.
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On June 06 2011 07:36 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:34 Telcontar wrote:On June 06 2011 07:33 Jyvblamo wrote:On June 06 2011 07:33 XiGua wrote:
PEEING ALL OVER MY KEYBOARD!!!! NERDCHILLS!! What. I guess he's out of semen. Oo
There is so ... so much wrong with that
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On June 06 2011 07:36 youngminii wrote:
i think you guys are praising mma a little too much
if it was any other highish level zerg i think mma would have lost
he was caught with ALL of his tanks unsieged TWICE, but losira completely screwed up those engagements
i mean his late game drops were amazing but he was pretty much in a safe position to do those drops
it's another game where one player fucks up rather than one player playing like a boss
In all games if someone loses they make some mistakes... All pros make mistakes... If they didn't make any mistakes then the outcome will decide the truly superior of the 3 sc races.
YOur just being negative here.
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On June 06 2011 07:37 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:36 StarStruck wrote:On June 06 2011 07:33 cheesemaster wrote:
so losira plays mc? and then the winner of that plays mma? Yes. And this might be the first MLG without an extended series finals!
We can only PRAY!
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On June 06 2011 07:36 Designakrobat wrote:hahahhahahhaaaa epic shit
expect a ban any second now
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On June 06 2011 07:33 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Artosis.. seriously? Stop underrating MMA. Why can't you believe? START BELIEVING BRAH
QFT
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losira please win, TvP final too boring.
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On June 06 2011 07:24 MrProb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!  A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them. Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job. Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A) Sincearly, Concerned fan. QUOTED FOR TRUTH! This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win. Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them? Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome. Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC? I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude. Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best. Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3.... They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse? +1 not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers 
I understand and agree with your sentiment. Only the best players should win the best tourney.
Which is where the GSL comes in, with a top prize of about $87000.
You need to CULTIVATE roots-level first. I might have won my leagues premiership last year, but I don't feel the Spainish international team should have been flown over at the leagues expense, to find out who the best is.
And also, if you want "TEH MASSES!!!" to tune in, you need someone who you deem to be on an obtainable level, and for the 15 year olds just tuning in who may or may not be "The Next Jinro," it is VERY hard for that kid to aspire to be a pro when Koreans are winning whatever they enter.
I'm not saying
"BAN KOREANS!" I'm saying, if Koreans want to participate in a chance to win $5000 in 3 days, let them pay for travel expenses, and fight for their seed points, just like Americans have to do in the GSL, and just like Americans have to do with the MLG.
I'm asking for no privledges. Equality.
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On June 06 2011 07:15 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games! A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them. Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job. Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A) Sincearly, Concerned fan. QUOTED FOR TRUTH! This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win. I found it kinda funny how he talks about growing the NA scene and you talk about 2 europeans. How far is it okay to fly to steal your money? And since he quoted the first prize, $5k, why didn't he mention the other first prize, Code S?
Everyone besides the Koreans paid their own way. The Koreans get a free invite to get some free money and kill the western scene. There is a huge difference. If a Korean wants to pay to come to an event and he wins I would support that and cheer him on.
Also, as has been discussed, CODE A is the only thing available this tourny, and most all the pro's agree that Code A is a joke and they wouldn't even bother accepting.
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On June 06 2011 07:35 happyness wrote:
IF I HAVE TO HEAR THAT FUCKING SONG BY THAT AWFUL BAND IN THAT STUPID BING COMMERCIAL I'M GOING TO KILL A BABY
Agreed man agreeed
WEEEE CANT BE DEFEATEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
WEE YOOO WEE YOO WE YOO WE YOOOO WE YAAA!
GOGOGOGO MMA GET THAT CODE S SPOT!
question: please answer, is MMA guarenteed CODE S SLOT??? He is GUARANTEED SECOND PLACE and BOTH MC and LOSIRA are in Code S.
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On June 06 2011 07:33 Svartstol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:29 Munchkin wrote:On June 06 2011 07:23 Serpico wrote:On June 06 2011 07:22 Heavenly wrote:On June 06 2011 07:18 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:06 Fionn wrote:On June 06 2011 07:05 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 DueSs wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. yes.. random koreans. they are random. july, mma, MC, and losira are random koreans. truly random. gtfo Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players. Then don't watch? What do you want? Not let them play because they're better than the players you know? Let Idra win the tournament because he is someone you know? And Koreans do stream. They do do twitter. Not your fault you don't follow them. Not in english. Yes, I wish the biggest Western tournament would not invite any more Koreans. If they want to fly over and own the open bracket with their own money then go for it. But giving them free flight, free hotel, free placement, just so they can sweep the money and kill the western scene, that makes me angry. Maybe they should take the game seriously if they want to consider themselves pros? The biggest tournament in Korea that has a $25000 monthly prize allows seeds into it from MLG, it is FULLY the fault of the foreigners that they simply are not good enough to take that prize. LOL you really think foreigners dont take this seriously? ok, so it's either mimic korean's exactly or be called an amateur. It is well known that prominen foreginer players don't practice as much as even they self feel they should. Players who we know have admitted this: - Liquid'Ret - Liquid'Tyler - EGiNcontroL - EGIdra This is like.. the top of the top of foregin SC2 scene... I can see why, they are making more money streaming and goofing around in sotg etc than if they where just practising. I understand that they need to get food on their tables and they really do alot for the esports but practise should be their no1 priority imo.
Yeah that is true... And I agree. I understand this is exactly why Incontrol is quitting SotG.
I also fear this will get infinitely worse as the current prime of the BW players start to shift over in a year or two.
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Losira stayed a long time on this ling/bling mix without trying to get to higher tech. Maybe he thought he could overwhelm MMA eventually because he wasn't expanding.
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On June 06 2011 07:36 Thrill wrote:
So sad that there won't be a State of the Game show to wrap this tournament up. So many stories and most of all - Korean domination to discuss. Sure, some Europeans weren't there (WhiteRa etc) but honestly, these aren't exactly the top Koreans either.
Will we see the same thing happen at Dreamhack in two weeks? I think so.
Would have LOVED to have a SotG on this where the pros themselves can speak on the matter.
What?
MC is undoubtedly the best Protoss in the world. Losira is a top 5 Zerg and MMA is a rising Terran star.
Also, we have pretty much the best foreigners at this MLG. I can't think of any that were sorely missed.
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On June 06 2011 07:35 Stenstyren wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:30 jj33 wrote:On June 06 2011 07:22 Ryka wrote:On June 06 2011 07:20 jj33 wrote:On June 06 2011 07:18 hmmm... wrote:On June 06 2011 07:14 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:04 mordk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:00 Genome852 wrote:MMA did "wall in" with the CC at first. But he made the mistake of not realizing that the CC has a rounded model, even if the grid is a square... so lings just ran by the sides of the CC. On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. What? Are you implying games aren't worth watching just because of the players' nationality? They aren't "random Koreans" either. So stupid.... Don't reply to these comments.. people watch games for different reasons. I do because I love starcraft, which means I'll be happy to watch koreans at the top if they are truly the best. Other people watch for the hype, and they feel more excited when their homies play. I understand the feelings of many people, although I feel that shouldn't make them miss quality starcraft games. There is no shortage of quality games, what makes MLG and other tournaments special to me is cheering for personalities I know. Just having random amazing players, that don't speak the language, that are not involved in the western scene (don't stream, don't go on shows, don't contribute) I just don't care about their results. A korean wins, which one? I certainly don't care, in fact, koreans will take home all the big money, because they are top 3. bitter foreigner much? you're a fucking racist. he absolutely is. It's not racist to only be interested in watching players you know. I don't care about watching barcelona vs real madrid in the champions league, but as soon as a british team's involved I will watch! No he is racist. If Koreans were considered a "white race" he'd have no problem with it. His whining comes down to racist under the guise of all his other bullshit he's spouting. Oh and also players he knows? this is a global game, anybody who follows sc2, knows alot of korean players. please. It's not racist, I care much less for the Koreans, not because they are Koreans but because they don't participate in any tournaments I watch. This means that I neither love not hate them and thus their games become boring to watch, no emotions at all from my side. I am unfortunately not a big enough Starcraft fan to watch games just because the player who plays them is good, I'm mostly watching for excitement.
I would say koreans play some of the most exciting, and defenitely the highest calibre games for the most part, pretty much every big tournament has koreans in it these days...... so i dont really know what your getting at, unless you only watch IPL
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On June 06 2011 07:36 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:35 Pajegetc wrote:On June 06 2011 07:34 Talin wrote:
MMA is SUCH a powerful player, he's kinda a rough diamond still, but his raw ability dwarfs pretty much any SC2 player I've seen so far. Completely agree with this. This guy is a legend in the making. Yep. His TvZ shows quality beyond what anyone else has shown. He truly maximizes the potential of his units in a unique and insanely skillful way ^_^
thank you! i feel like he doesn't get the recognition he deserves because so many nubs just give me the "he is stuck in code a/can only perform in the gstl" excuse. ever since his match against MVP in the GSTL, I became a believer that he is the next great player. Makes me want to switch to terran.
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MMA = best TvZ in the world?
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how much time until next game?
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