|
We will be moderating harshly in this thread. Think twice before you post. Things we are watching for: image macros, balance whining, "eagles", player bashing etc. We encourage civil and reasoned critique of our moderation - please post it in the website feedback forum.
Please don't complain about MLG stream quality or MLG itself. They work very hard to provide you with an enjoyable service.
Enough with the racism discussions, this is a LR Thread. Cut it out.
-- updated 7:55 KST |
On June 06 2011 07:09 Moonwrath wrote:
Would you people complaining about all Korean semis and finals, would you rather no koreans were invited at all? It's not their fault they beat everyone.
Yes, they certainly shouldn't have had their way paid. If they want to come and pay their own ticket like EVERY OTHER PLAYER, then fine, but don't just give them a free ride to sweep the tourny.
|
On June 06 2011 07:21 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:08 ffadicted wrote:On June 06 2011 07:06 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 zerious wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. That's why the most popular tournament in SC2 is the GSL? Most popular with Koreans, before SC2 and the western tournaments Starcraft was a tiny niche in the West. Just look at TL, it went from a tiny community where everyone knew everyone else to a destination on the internet. The west got into SC2 because of western players and tournaments. Doesn't change the fact koreans are better and now they're coming to every single lan event, so either foreigners step it up, or the korean monopoly will continue rightfully so  Yup, and the US and EU scene will die, and Starcraft 2 will become a tiny niche just like Starcraft 1. I don't want to see that happen, but it will if western tournaments keep inviting Koreans to dominate and take all the money.
wow... each new post of you is worse than the previous.. i wont even comment on such bs
|
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 06 2011 07:22 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:21 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:21 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:20 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:19 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:On June 06 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
[quote]
3:00
Pool starting for Losira
Tech lab on the barracks 3:45 Reaper on the way for MMA
4:00 Command centre on the way for MMA Ling speed starting for Losira 4:40 Factory on the way for MMA 5:20 Siege tech starting for MMA 6:20 Three command centres on the way for MMA Baneling nest on the way for losira
8:00 Baneling bust from Losira kills a lot of scvs and all the marines 9:00 Third base on the way for Losira 9:30 Lair starting for Losira Combat shield for MMA 11:00 Macro hatch on the way for losira along with burrow, baneling speed and melee +1 MMA getting stim
12:00
MMA moving up onto the highground of Losira's Third
|
On June 06 2011 07:22 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:18 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:06 Fionn wrote:On June 06 2011 07:05 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 DueSs wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. yes.. random koreans. they are random. july, mma, MC, and losira are random koreans. truly random. gtfo Since I don't watch Korean SC2 in the middle of the night I have never heard of any of them. They don't stream, they don't do twitter, they are never on any of the SC2 shows, western viewers have no attachment to these players. Then don't watch? What do you want? Not let them play because they're better than the players you know? Let Idra win the tournament because he is someone you know? And Koreans do stream. They do do twitter. Not your fault you don't follow them. Not in english. Yes, I wish the biggest Western tournament would not invite any more Koreans. If they want to fly over and own the open bracket with their own money then go for it. But giving them free flight, free hotel, free placement, just so they can sweep the money and kill the western scene, that makes me angry. Maybe they should take the game seriously if they want to consider themselves pros? The biggest tournament in Korea that has a $25000 monthly prize allows seeds into it from MLG, it is FULLY the fault of the foreigners that they simply are not good enough to take that prize.
LOL you really think foreigners dont take this seriously? ok, so it's either mimic korean's exactly or be called an amateur.
|
On June 06 2011 07:13 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:11 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 07:08 Fionn wrote:On June 06 2011 07:07 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 holy_war wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. I wouldn't necessarily say that it's the direct results of having only Koreans left. There was so much backstory behind IdrA/MC that it grasped everyone's attention. Losira and MMA just doesn't have that animosity between them, or else it would be a lot different. But having no foreigners remaining definitely won't help the cause. Even before the Idra match, during the Naniwa of earlier matches. This thread was moving much much faster. I know for me personally the level of interest just dropped off, it honestly makes me no difference at all who wins now, because these players mean nothing to me.
THEN DON'T WATCH.
I think you're missing the part of capitalism where numbers of audience members equates to the amount of bankroll you have. For that part, this guy SHOULD share his opinion, as people need to know it. What sort of progress would ANY sport/event/group/workplace/team etc have if the answer was always "DON'T LIKE IT? WELL SHUSH!" What kind of progress will happen in the West if you just disallow Koreans? You know how weak that would make the rest of the world seem? THERE WERE FIVE KOREANS IN THIS TOURNAMENT. JUST FIVE. It isn't like GSL sent out all 32 Code S players to overrun the tournament. The five Koreans came and they played their best. MC, a Korean, has been the person who has interacted with the crowd the most out of any players.
5 Koreans had their tickets paid for, could bring interpreters, had accomodation paid for, got given seats into the top 16 (with exception of July) that other westerners had travelled around the country to get points for, and they're required to be here for 3 days for $5k first, $3k second, and $2k third. As opposed to code A, which is a month long tourney, for $1500 for first place. Read below for my reasoning...... Even if I did pick up the support of an extreamist, I feel my point is still very solid.
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!  A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them. Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job. Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A) Sincearly, Concerned fan. QUOTED FOR TRUTH! This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.
|
On June 06 2011 07:19 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:07 udgnim wrote:On June 06 2011 07:06 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 zerious wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. That's why the most popular tournament in SC2 is the GSL? Most popular with Koreans, before SC2 and the western tournaments Starcraft was a tiny niche in the West. Just look at TL, it went from a tiny community where everyone knew everyone else to a destination on the internet. The west got into SC2 because of western players and tournaments. the West got into SC2 because it's the sequel to SC1 The western scene exploded because western players finally had a chance in competition. When that changes the scene will die.
Your argument makes no sense. Instead of improving to a level in which the west can compete they will just give up?
Please stop posting because you are not making much sense.Your argument seems to be based on 'The west can't compete against Koreans, so they shouldn't be forced to'. And just because you don't like paying attention to Korean players doesnt mean others don't. I personally prefer seeing the best player REGARDLESS of where they are from. If I don't know who they are then I will make a fucking effort to find out who this fucking awesome unknown player that I havent heard of is and too do all I can to verse myself on them, their personality and their achievements because all that information is very very accessible via TLPD and Liquipedia.
Try harder son.
|
On June 06 2011 07:21 Sergeras wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:20 Adreme wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US. Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL - At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A. - At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows: - Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status. - Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players. - If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player. - All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL. GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit - MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition. - These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool. - Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank. - All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG. - For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting a player from the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accomodation expenses will be covered by CSN. This historic partnership marks the first time the GSL has ever qualified a player directly into Code S based on results from another tournament, and MLG Columbus will be the first time Korean players have ever competed live in an open-registration StarCraft 2 tournament in the US. We are working closely with the GSL to coordinate schedules so that all players involved will be able to compete in both the GSL and the Pro Circuit. Am I the only one thinking this is the end of foreigners?
The chinese are coming
|
On June 06 2011 07:22 Flowjo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:14 shockaslim wrote:On June 06 2011 07:11 Adreme wrote:On June 06 2011 07:10 youngminii wrote:On June 06 2011 07:10 Beyonder wrote:Although not as dramatic, we're truly seeing 3 of the top players MMA and MC especially. I really hope MMA wins though, I want him in code S! (winner gets it regardless of where hes from) i can't believe this NO the winner does NOT get code S. If a mod could add that to top it would eliminate a lot of confusion. Also the Koreans I believe are not eligable for the spot but that one im less sure of. Koreans aren't eligible for the CODE A spots. However, the CODE S spots are fair game for the winner. no, bro just no
MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.
Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
- At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
- Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
- Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
- If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
- All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.
READ
|
[QUOTE]On June 06 2011 07:17 fghtuetg wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 06 2011 07:16 Wargizmo wrote:
From Sundance:
MLG viewer "heat map"
[url=http://lockerz.com/s/108086220]http://lockerz.com/s/108086220[/url]
Some guy in pakistan is watching lol...
[/QUOTE]
well i am watching from lahore, pakistan :D i think im the only one in this country :p but quite some ppl play from here but no1 watches much
|
How do the seedings work for MLG Anaheim? Is it based on points accumulated from Dallas and Columbus, or is it just based on the seedings from Columbus?
|
The logic makes me laugh in this thread sometimes.
|
On June 06 2011 07:20 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games! A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them. Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job. Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A) Sincearly, Concerned fan. QUOTED FOR TRUTH! This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win. Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them? Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome. Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC? I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude. Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best. Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3.... They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?
+1
not inviting the best just so u can win??, those are the attitude of losers
|
On June 06 2011 07:23 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:22 Flowjo wrote:On June 06 2011 07:14 shockaslim wrote:On June 06 2011 07:11 Adreme wrote:On June 06 2011 07:10 youngminii wrote:On June 06 2011 07:10 Beyonder wrote:Although not as dramatic, we're truly seeing 3 of the top players MMA and MC especially. I really hope MMA wins though, I want him in code S! (winner gets it regardless of where hes from) i can't believe this NO the winner does NOT get code S. If a mod could add that to top it would eliminate a lot of confusion. Also the Koreans I believe are not eligable for the spot but that one im less sure of. Koreans aren't eligible for the CODE A spots. However, the CODE S spots are fair game for the winner. no, bro just no MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US. Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL
- At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
- Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
- Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
- If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
- All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL. READ
Important part:
- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
|
United States23455 Posts
On June 06 2011 07:23 BrahCJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:13 Fionn wrote:On June 06 2011 07:11 BrahCJ wrote:On June 06 2011 07:08 Fionn wrote:On June 06 2011 07:07 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:01 holy_war wrote:On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans. I wouldn't necessarily say that it's the direct results of having only Koreans left. There was so much backstory behind IdrA/MC that it grasped everyone's attention. Losira and MMA just doesn't have that animosity between them, or else it would be a lot different. But having no foreigners remaining definitely won't help the cause. Even before the Idra match, during the Naniwa of earlier matches. This thread was moving much much faster. I know for me personally the level of interest just dropped off, it honestly makes me no difference at all who wins now, because these players mean nothing to me.
THEN DON'T WATCH.
I think you're missing the part of capitalism where numbers of audience members equates to the amount of bankroll you have. For that part, this guy SHOULD share his opinion, as people need to know it. What sort of progress would ANY sport/event/group/workplace/team etc have if the answer was always "DON'T LIKE IT? WELL SHUSH!" What kind of progress will happen in the West if you just disallow Koreans? You know how weak that would make the rest of the world seem? THERE WERE FIVE KOREANS IN THIS TOURNAMENT. JUST FIVE. It isn't like GSL sent out all 32 Code S players to overrun the tournament. The five Koreans came and they played their best. MC, a Korean, has been the person who has interacted with the crowd the most out of any players. 5 Koreans had their tickets paid for, could bring interpreters, had accomodation paid for, got given seats into the top 16 (with exception of July) that other westerners had travelled around the country to get points for, and they're required to be here for 3 days for $5k first, $3k second, and $2k third. As opposed to code A, which is a month long tourney, for $1500 for first place. Read below for my reasoning...... Even if I did pick up the support of an extreamist, I feel my point is still very solid. Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games! A couple of things I want to note. MajOr did an incredible job at this event. Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level" MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them. Now for the bombshell. I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene. As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job. Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA (3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A) Sincearly, Concerned fan. QUOTED FOR TRUTH! This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.
Alright. Let's not allow Koreans into the MLG. Let's give the money to the players who truly aren't the best.
|
On June 06 2011 07:23 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:09 Moonwrath wrote:
Would you people complaining about all Korean semis and finals, would you rather no koreans were invited at all? It's not their fault they beat everyone. Yes, they certainly shouldn't have had their way paid. If they want to come and pay their own ticket like EVERY OTHER PLAYER, then fine, but don't just give them a free ride to sweep the tourny.
most progamers on a team if not all have their travel & lodging cost for Columbus covered by their team/sponsors
the prize pool isn't big enough for people to be willing to pay for travel/lodging themselves unless they live nearby Columbus
|
so wtf is with losira and not using mutas
|
On June 06 2011 07:18 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:16 niteblaze wrote:On June 06 2011 07:13 War Horse wrote:
MMA is guaranteed the Code S spot right, since even if he loses it'd trickle down to him? Or is in the MLG rules that it has to go to a foreigner? That would be lame =\ No Code S for anyone in this MLG. We've repeated this so many times. Top 3 NON-KOREANS will get a Code A spot. No. TOP 3 WILL GOT A CODE A SPOT, UNLESS THEY'RE ALREADY IN CODE A (or S)
This has nothing to do with nationality.Unless this is a special no korean rule for this MLG and I'm a fool. But I don't think so.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580
- At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
- Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
- Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
- If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
|
Losira, stop donating lings and banes.
Oh, that's much better! :D
|
On June 06 2011 07:23 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 07:09 Moonwrath wrote:
Would you people complaining about all Korean semis and finals, would you rather no koreans were invited at all? It's not their fault they beat everyone. Yes, they certainly shouldn't have had their way paid. If they want to come and pay their own ticket like EVERY OTHER PLAYER, then fine, but don't just give them a free ride to sweep the tourny.
you mean how foreigners get code a free and paid if they place in the top 4? stop fucking whining about things that make esports better, naniwa said it "Its the most fun the play against the best"
Why wouldnt you want to play the best if you wanna be a pro?
|
what happened to this thread
the first 1000 pages were so good, it suddenly just plummeted in quality
oh well
i really don't like losira's usage of the banelings, it seems like he's wasting them too much
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
