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arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 03:49:12
May 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#841
Add Mr.Bitter to my list of favorite casters. Finally, another of the very few & far between casters that can give accurate and most importantly detailed strategic analysis of ZvX matchups.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#842
MrBitter just mentioned the July-Best series.

<3 MrBitter
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
May 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#843
It's ok guys, hopefully this will be a real PvZ.

I'm a dinosaur
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
May 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#844
"I'm 26 bro."

"Whoa. That's like 80 in gamer years."

hahaha Gretorp.
#TeamBuLba
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
May 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#845
On May 27 2011 12:48 arbitrageur wrote:
Add Mr.Bitter to my list of favorite casters. Finally, another of the very few & far between casters that can give accurate strategic analysis of ZvX matchups.

No shit man, this guy is blowing my mind. He's good.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
numLoCK
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1416 Posts
May 27 2011 03:48 GMT
#846
mmmm that was a good series my man.
<3 july
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 03:49:13
May 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#847
The Cruncher vs. MoMaN series as a whole reminded so vividly of this song...absolutely perfect!

+ Show Spoiler +
SicPro
Profile Joined March 2011
United States202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 03:53:30
May 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#848
Begging Moman for some baneling drops.... that would annihilate this composition as well as drop a few lings in the main with 1 bane and just destroy everything.


WOW cruncher gj at doing what I can do in gold. Only difference is I win games without FF's using templar and archons. If my computer was stone age technology I would never stop playing. But high gold it is for me for now. So when FF gets nerfed I won't be dropped down to silver like you will be. JT (just trollin) that was pritty nice solid toss play. WW. But its boring to watch even more boring to play.


Moman doing what I've been learning to not do from watching a lot of games and streams. When you know youre behind the best thing to do is macro up not go for more all ins. But to harass and pick and poke taking small victories wherever you can find em.


Sooo sad I missed Incontrol take down White-ra. Love em both but incontrol obv isn't as established and would love to see him win an MLG or something... just WIN. He's getting closer and closer. Anyone know the time for EU stream tomorrow?


Liquibet kids are the most annoying posters since "FIRST"
_(aka Probasaur)_ "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Hunter S. Thompson
Monolithic-
Profile Joined February 2011
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 03:50:01
May 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#849
On May 27 2011 12:45 schmutttt wrote:
Forcefields aren't hard, it is like saying ZOMG INCREDIBLE FUNGAL MICRO.

Seriously, F + click. Any competent Protoss should be able to execute them well.

Exactly this. It's not difficult. It's only those super clutch situations where a protoss has to pull off some crazy forcefields in under a second that are really impressive. WhiteRa, Alicia, and MC come to mind....
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
May 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#850
On May 27 2011 12:48 arbitrageur wrote:
Add Mr.Bitter to my list of favorite casters. Finally, another of the very few & far between casters that can give accurate strategic analysis of ZvX matchups.

It was pretty good yesterday when Bitter and IdrA switched off, i felt like i was getting a nice warm zerg gift, which sounds creepy and weird now that i said it.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 03:50:17
May 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#851
Losira is better than July.


Still love the guy though <3
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
May 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#852
On May 27 2011 12:37 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 12:34 Xxavi wrote:
Shut it, Cruncher haters=Idra fanboys =)

It isn't like Idra is a creative player who comes up with new strategies. He is a freaking study cow that you see in every college, will study the book all the time, with little brain. Not to say Cruncher is anything special, but all this Cruncher hate and Idra love is over the top.

My God, how can words of a player can change perspective of so many people.


Can you read the last few pages? Cruncher haters = people who like exciting games. Cruncher has yet to be involved in one.


Then you sir, have missed out on a show series called the "V". Just look at him demolishing that poor scrub EGLzGaMeR with his neat builds. specially the one with the phoenix opening, haven't seen someone get that crunched from a phoenix opening. Also the high templar game was quite slick in the way he got to HTs.

but seriously I really don't understand the hate, if he's "boring" to watch then don't watch ffs. Cruncher is also like Americas best Wc3 player before the game died so maybe try and encourage him and you might actually have another really good American sc2 player, since you seem to be lacking those.

now someone will respond with who cares what nation someone is from I just want good games yaddayaddayadda then the same should still apply encourage players putting time and effort into this game, don't hate on them unless they really deserve it like CombatEx/cheaters etc...
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Hollis
Profile Joined January 2011
United States505 Posts
May 27 2011 03:49 GMT
#853
JULY JULY HES OUR MAN

IF HE CAN'T EAT IT NO ONE... wait

-_-
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
May 27 2011 03:50 GMT
#854
On May 27 2011 12:46 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 12:39 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On May 27 2011 12:36 Heavenly wrote:
On May 27 2011 12:33 jdseemoreglass wrote:
So is it safe to say that Protoss can force Zerg to be in the position of having to basically all in and try to end the game quickly now? I mean that seems like the only option. Is all-in drop play simply the only option? So then it's a matter of how well protoss can defend an all in attack?

I mean I hear mrbitter criticizing momans passivity and this is the only way I can interpret what he is saying. What are the other options left to Zerg against a defensive macroing toss?


Don't max out on roaches and hydras versus an army that costs twice as much? Actually attack when you see your opponent throwing up a third when he has four gates? He criticized Moman's passivity because he sat there and let Cruncher go to four base protoss versus four base zerg before taking a couple more useless bases.

But my point is, you cannot attack into a protoss with colossi and forcefields. So how does Zerg attack. Drops right? You could say nydus, but it's basically the same thing as drops, except more effective. You cannot trade effectively into a choke against a defensive protoss, so still the only option I can think of is all in drop play. Someone said mutas but all it takes is a couple cannons and blink to shut that down.


You can not go Roach/Hydra and then wait for the Protoss to get 200/200 with Colossi and forcefields. Moman got to a point where he would have had to drop or Nydus but if he had attacked with burrow/tunneling claws he could have hit before that first Colossus got out for Cruncher. Moman just played that really passively with an army that's good to be aggressive with. He let the Protoss split the map really easily, he left him get his third base for free entirely.

It's like Terran's standard composition going up against Brood Lord/Corruptor/Infestor at 200/200... Does it mean all they can do is all in against Zerg? Absolutely not, you can do tons of stuff to not let them get to that point while you have a stronger mid-game composition. You can't sit on a good mid-game composition and then fight their stronger more cost effective composition...

That's basically what Moman did with his composition, strong to put on pressure with, then he just sat back and let Cruncher get equal bases with him... He got his third completely uncontested.

So please explain this to me a little more thoroughly here... You say if a Zerg goes roach/hydra, then they need to pressure. And obviously the only way to pressure on a choke map against colossi + sentry is to drop, which is pretty all in. Which was my original statement, by the way. So let's consider the other options...

He doesn't go roach/hydra. What does he go then? Lings? lol no. Infestors? That will resign you to passivity as well. Mutas? Is mutas the only alternative? Or should zerg skip a mid-game army and rush to T3, hoping Protoss doesn't decide to attack?
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 27 2011 03:50 GMT
#855
On May 27 2011 12:49 TheHova wrote:
Losira is better than July.


Still love the guy though <3

Agreed, though July currently has better results. Plus, July is the God of War, so he demands respect.
SC2Joker
Profile Joined March 2011
United States63 Posts
May 27 2011 03:51 GMT
#856
whats up with blizzard always trolling nasl... I wonder if they're allowed to contact you for purely trolling reasons. if so its not very professional.
Don't tell me I;m burning the candle at both ends, tell me where to get more wax.
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
May 27 2011 03:51 GMT
#857
Pretty hard to do amazing ffs when you are gonna win with or without them anyway.
TanKLoveR
Profile Joined August 2008
Venezuela838 Posts
May 27 2011 03:51 GMT
#858
Wow what a terrible PvZ >.< both players are just so.... boring, i was only watching cause i was hoping moman would beat cruncher but they are both just as... boring. Also thank god i muted so i didnt have to hear more of gretorp's stellar comments.
Moroshima Haruka, forever best girl. My dream is to die thinking "Wow, that was fun. I'm tired."
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 27 2011 03:51 GMT
#859
3/4 on liquibet so far today ^^
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 27 2011 03:52 GMT
#860
On May 27 2011 12:47 MechKing wrote:
I seriously lol @ people who keep trying to downplay Cruncher's win because "ff's imba" or "moman is terrible" etc. etc. The guy beat Idra in the TSL3 and Check prime in the FXO invitational, he's beat a bunch of good zergs.


I won't downplay Cruncher's ff's but Moman is bad. At least in this series and in the NASL so far.
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