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MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
May 26 2011 23:25 GMT
#41
That was a smart move by state to go for a big push after seeing that nightend already had his expo up and had a large economic lead. Close battle but state had just a stronger army.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 26 2011 23:26 GMT
#42
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.


You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
May 26 2011 23:27 GMT
#43
I don't think Nightend ever really made use of that Twilight Council. Blink could have really helped him in that last fight.
Pills
Profile Joined October 2010
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 23:30:49
May 26 2011 23:27 GMT
#44
On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.



Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective.

That or he could have made more than one viking


Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed.

Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge waves of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#45
Well, that was quick
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#46
its one of those days in a week when Goody plays bio so that people wouldnt get too accustomed to his mech.
TalonSix2000
Profile Joined May 2011
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 23:33:33
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#47
You think (T)ThorZaIN lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for future opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against (Z)Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.
Love: Thorzain | TL | Terran -- Hate: Idra | EG | Zerg
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#48
On May 27 2011 08:27 Pills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.



Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective.

That or he could have made more than one viking


Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed.

Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge wage of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.


You don't make too many. They're to complement your army not be the bulk of it.

Ghosts were his only way out of that situation. Nerchio had too many corrupters for vikings to be viable.
crabz
Profile Joined May 2011
227 Posts
May 26 2011 23:32 GMT
#49
On May 27 2011 08:26 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.


You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.

i've seen bratok using them and still losing dont know wtf are u talking about
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#50
On May 27 2011 08:27 Pills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.



Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective.

That or he could have made more than one viking


Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed.

Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge waves of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.



10 or so ghosts is only 20 supply, it's hardly counterproductive if he's investing tons into broodlords. 10 ghosts can easily beat an equal amount of broodlords if you have full energy.
Major, Brat_OK, etc do this a lot, it's really good
But yes I agree, didn't really look like he knew what he was doing.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#51
Fast game: 2 rax w/ tech lab, marauders destroyed toss, probes pulled and died. that's about all the analysis that is needed for that game
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#52
On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:
You think (T)ThorZaIN (Z)Lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against (Z)Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.



I just think he's unpracticed in the matchup tbh. His best matchup has always been TvP and he practiced TvT a lot for Kas. He'll be rusty TvZ quite simply because he's had no need to practice it of late. I'm sure it'll improve now he doesn't have to focus on a specific matchup.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#53
On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:
You think (T)ThorZaIN lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for future opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against (Z)Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.

Or maybe he just lost because Nerchio is good.
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
May 26 2011 23:37 GMT
#54
Which players will be: Round of 4 Player vs Round of 4 Player as the fifth match?
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
May 26 2011 23:38 GMT
#55
WhiteRa vs the winner of this match
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
TalonSix2000
Profile Joined May 2011
United States13 Posts
May 26 2011 23:39 GMT
#56
On May 27 2011 08:33 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:
You think ThorZaIN Lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.



I just think he's unpracticed in the matchup tbh. His best matchup has Always been TvP and he practiced TvT a lot for Kas. He'll be rusty TvZ quite simply because he's had no need to practice it of late. I'M sure it'll improve now he doesn't have to Focus on a specific matchup.



He delt with FruitDealer pretty handily in TSL3.
Love: Thorzain | TL | Terran -- Hate: Idra | EG | Zerg
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 26 2011 23:39 GMT
#57
Goody's trademark micro (or lack of)
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 26 2011 23:40 GMT
#58
Nerchio is a very good up-and-coming EU zerg, similar to Stephano.

Stop downplaying his win against Thorzain, he deserved it.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 23:42:46
May 26 2011 23:41 GMT
#59
On May 27 2011 08:32 crabz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:26 TheHova wrote:
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.


You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.

i've seen bratok using them and still losing dont know wtf are u talking about


I've seen IdrA lose to Protoss whilst doing Baneling drops. Does it make the strat not viable? Ofcourse it doesn't.

You can still do a viable build and lose -___-

It works very often for Brat_OK. Stop trying to suggest the composition is unbeatable ffs. Especially in a LR thread.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 26 2011 23:44 GMT
#60
Goody has cloak right? I mean I know Ranged has obs out but still why not use it?
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