• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:02
CEST 19:02
KST 02:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)6Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over2New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!38Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Which box art did your first copy of StarCraft 1 have? ASL22 General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! XUN appreciation thread
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F Small VOD Thread 2.0 Escore Tournament - Season 3 BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6236 users

[IPL 2] Qualifier 3 - Day 4 - Page 3

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
May 26 2011 23:25 GMT
#41
That was a smart move by state to go for a big push after seeing that nightend already had his expo up and had a large economic lead. Close battle but state had just a stronger army.
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 26 2011 23:26 GMT
#42
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.


You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
May 26 2011 23:27 GMT
#43
I don't think Nightend ever really made use of that Twilight Council. Blink could have really helped him in that last fight.
Pills
Profile Joined October 2010
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 23:30:49
May 26 2011 23:27 GMT
#44
On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.



Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective.

That or he could have made more than one viking


Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed.

Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge waves of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#45
Well, that was quick
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#46
its one of those days in a week when Goody plays bio so that people wouldnt get too accustomed to his mech.
TalonSix2000
Profile Joined May 2011
United States13 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 23:33:33
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#47
You think (T)ThorZaIN lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for future opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against (Z)Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.
Love: Thorzain | TL | Terran -- Hate: Idra | EG | Zerg
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#48
On May 27 2011 08:27 Pills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.



Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective.

That or he could have made more than one viking


Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed.

Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge wage of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.


You don't make too many. They're to complement your army not be the bulk of it.

Ghosts were his only way out of that situation. Nerchio had too many corrupters for vikings to be viable.
crabz
Profile Joined May 2011
227 Posts
May 26 2011 23:32 GMT
#49
On May 27 2011 08:26 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.


You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.

i've seen bratok using them and still losing dont know wtf are u talking about
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#50
On May 27 2011 08:27 Pills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.



Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective.

That or he could have made more than one viking


Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed.

Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge waves of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.



10 or so ghosts is only 20 supply, it's hardly counterproductive if he's investing tons into broodlords. 10 ghosts can easily beat an equal amount of broodlords if you have full energy.
Major, Brat_OK, etc do this a lot, it's really good
But yes I agree, didn't really look like he knew what he was doing.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
MaxField
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2386 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#51
Fast game: 2 rax w/ tech lab, marauders destroyed toss, probes pulled and died. that's about all the analysis that is needed for that game
"Zerg, so bad it loses to hydras" IdrA.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#52
On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:
You think (T)ThorZaIN (Z)Lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against (Z)Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.



I just think he's unpracticed in the matchup tbh. His best matchup has always been TvP and he practiced TvT a lot for Kas. He'll be rusty TvZ quite simply because he's had no need to practice it of late. I'm sure it'll improve now he doesn't have to focus on a specific matchup.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 26 2011 23:33 GMT
#53
On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:
You think (T)ThorZaIN lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for future opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against (Z)Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.

Or maybe he just lost because Nerchio is good.
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
May 26 2011 23:37 GMT
#54
Which players will be: Round of 4 Player vs Round of 4 Player as the fifth match?
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Alex.IGN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1050 Posts
May 26 2011 23:38 GMT
#55
WhiteRa vs the winner of this match
IGN eSports StarCraft 2 Division Manager
TalonSix2000
Profile Joined May 2011
United States13 Posts
May 26 2011 23:39 GMT
#56
On May 27 2011 08:33 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:
You think ThorZaIN Lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.



I just think he's unpracticed in the matchup tbh. His best matchup has Always been TvP and he practiced TvT a lot for Kas. He'll be rusty TvZ quite simply because he's had no need to practice it of late. I'M sure it'll improve now he doesn't have to Focus on a specific matchup.



He delt with FruitDealer pretty handily in TSL3.
Love: Thorzain | TL | Terran -- Hate: Idra | EG | Zerg
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
May 26 2011 23:39 GMT
#57
Goody's trademark micro (or lack of)
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
May 26 2011 23:40 GMT
#58
Nerchio is a very good up-and-coming EU zerg, similar to Stephano.

Stop downplaying his win against Thorzain, he deserved it.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 23:42:46
May 26 2011 23:41 GMT
#59
On May 27 2011 08:32 crabz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 08:26 TheHova wrote:
On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.

Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.


You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.

i've seen bratok using them and still losing dont know wtf are u talking about


I've seen IdrA lose to Protoss whilst doing Baneling drops. Does it make the strat not viable? Ofcourse it doesn't.

You can still do a viable build and lose -___-

It works very often for Brat_OK. Stop trying to suggest the composition is unbeatable ffs. Especially in a LR thread.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 26 2011 23:44 GMT
#60
Goody has cloak right? I mean I know Ranged has obs out but still why not use it?
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #261
EmpressLilyy87
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
BRAT_OK 112
ProTech50
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 28499
Shuttle 3225
Bisu 2208
EffOrt 699
Light 504
BeSt 448
Soulkey 424
Larva 366
Rush 336
Horang2 229
[ Show more ]
Snow 198
Dewaltoss 124
Liquid`Ret 55
Zeus 36
Pusan 36
soO 22
ToSsGirL 21
PianO 20
Terrorterran 20
Aegong 19
sSak 17
zelot 16
Rock 13
SilentControl 12
Sacsri 7
Dota 2
Gorgc5821
qojqva2985
Dendi1701
420jenkins226
Counter-Strike
edward58
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1338
singsing1154
hiko893
Beastyqt775
ceh9424
XaKoH 165
mouzStarbuck158
ArmadaUGS146
IndyStarCraft 139
TKL 129
C9.Mang085
Trikslyr55
Mew2King54
QueenE42
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV385
BasetradeTV45
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile139
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2547
• TFBlade813
Other Games
• Shiphtur308
• WagamamaTV289
• imaqtpie8
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
6h 59m
Kung Fu Cup
17h 59m
Replay Cast
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 16h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
OSC
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs Shuttle
BeSt vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.