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crojar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States59 Posts
May 23 2011 22:50 GMT
#2321
On May 24 2011 06:12 ljdljd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 03:46 moyk wrote:
On May 24 2011 02:25 Shaetan wrote:
If a non-top 16 player beats a top 16 player, a la Lyn, do they "steal" the seed and become protected like the top 16 seed?.


It's format is similar to the NHL playoff's where it's set brackets -- not like the NBA's where they re-do seedings after every round to ensure that the highest seed always plays lowest.

So to answer your question, yes, they would be "protected" until the round of 16.

Also, GSL Super Tournament should've been referred to first before asking as you can clearly see that the brackets are set and "The Top 16 ranked players were strategically placed into the bracket so that they cannot face each other before the Round of 16.".



NBA has same playoff format as NHL


This is incorrect. NHL re-seeds, NBA has fixed brackets.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 23 2011 22:52 GMT
#2322
Re-seeding seems extremely stupid/unfair to me. I'm glad GSL follows the common sense approach.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
May 23 2011 22:59 GMT
#2323
On May 24 2011 05:41 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 21:35 ChickenLips wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:
pretty awful matches tomorrow


How do you know? You've already seen them?



rain?

jookto?

thewind?

inca?

anypro?

games will not be good

and if they are, it's because both players make so many mistakes that it kind of balances itself out


Anypro is arguably the second best Protoss in the world, either way he's up there with Ace, Naniwa and San in the pack of people trailing behind MC.

by "in the world" u mean in Korea obv. Because we have chinese protosses, who MUCH better then korean atm
No carpal tunnel no skill
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 23 2011 23:11 GMT
#2324
On May 24 2011 07:59 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 05:41 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:35 ChickenLips wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:
pretty awful matches tomorrow


How do you know? You've already seen them?



rain?

jookto?

thewind?

inca?

anypro?

games will not be good

and if they are, it's because both players make so many mistakes that it kind of balances itself out


Anypro is arguably the second best Protoss in the world, either way he's up there with Ace, Naniwa and San in the pack of people trailing behind MC.

by "in the world" u mean in Korea obv. Because we have chinese protosses, who MUCH better then korean atm


Well firstly MC is the best Protoss in the world by an absolute mile, he is light years ahead of any other Protoss player in terms of consistancy, innovation of the race and trophies in the cabinet.

The Chinese Toss players have proven nothing, their only games have come in a Chinese tournament. These games are the biggest games of their careers, they will be preparing every day for the Stars War tournament, their non Chinese opponents were not. When one player is doing that and the other has bigger things on their plate it's no suprise the guy who's spending all his time to snipe his opponent wins. It's the same reason a guy like Thorzain did so well in TSL, that tournament was the biggest thing he's ever entered in his SC2 career and seen as he wasn't in NASL, IPL, GSL or anything else it's not suprise he did great where as people with other more important competitions or just other competitions period didn't do as well. This is one of the many reasons why GSL is the pinnacle, because Code S is every players World Cup final, no one is treating their Code S games as anything but the most important thing they're doing in Sc2.

I agree some of the Chinese players look great, but when they go to Korea and start qualifying for Code S or start winning major Euro LANS we can begin to talk about them being amongst the best Protoss players, because right now they're all potential and no follow through.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
May 23 2011 23:51 GMT
#2325
who 6pools a Terran...?

Does that ever work? I'm not sure that would work in the bronze league
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 23 2011 23:57 GMT
#2326
On May 24 2011 08:51 Subversion wrote:
who 6pools a Terran...?

Does that ever work? I'm not sure that would work in the bronze league


Guess it could work if he gets to you on the first try on a 4 player map where you scout him last.
The Notorious Winkles
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 00:00 GMT
#2327
On May 24 2011 08:51 Subversion wrote:
who 6pools a Terran...?

Does that ever work? I'm not sure that would work in the bronze league


Not bad on Scrap Station. 6 pool is fairly uncommon now outside of ZvZ so works more than you'd think.
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 00:42:43
May 24 2011 00:41 GMT
#2328
On May 24 2011 08:11 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 07:59 HQuality wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:41 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:35 ChickenLips wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:
pretty awful matches tomorrow


How do you know? You've already seen them?



rain?

jookto?

thewind?

inca?

anypro?

games will not be good

and if they are, it's because both players make so many mistakes that it kind of balances itself out


Anypro is arguably the second best Protoss in the world, either way he's up there with Ace, Naniwa and San in the pack of people trailing behind MC.

by "in the world" u mean in Korea obv. Because we have chinese protosses, who MUCH better then korean atm


Well firstly MC is the best Protoss in the world by an absolute mile, he is light years ahead of any other Protoss player in terms of consistancy, innovation of the race and trophies in the cabinet.

The Chinese Toss players have proven nothing, their only games have come in a Chinese tournament. These games are the biggest games of their careers, they will be preparing every day for the Stars War tournament, their non Chinese opponents were not. When one player is doing that and the other has bigger things on their plate it's no suprise the guy who's spending all his time to snipe his opponent wins. It's the same reason a guy like Thorzain did so well in TSL, that tournament was the biggest thing he's ever entered in his SC2 career and seen as he wasn't in NASL, IPL, GSL or anything else it's not suprise he did great where as people with other more important competitions or just other competitions period didn't do as well. This is one of the many reasons why GSL is the pinnacle, because Code S is every players World Cup final, no one is treating their Code S games as anything but the most important thing they're doing in Sc2.

I agree some of the Chinese players look great, but when they go to Korea and start qualifying for Code S or start winning major Euro LANS we can begin to talk about them being amongst the best Protoss players, because right now they're all potential and no follow through.

i got it
u're fan of korea and of "he won 1 game he's new legend" stuff. mc isn't innovation of the race, or u think bronze league 2 proxies 10gates in dh final game is innovation? he just have really good micro and know timings of other races and sometimes he do random sh1t like nexus before gateway on metalopolis PvT vs guy, who known by his 2racks openings vsP :/
TSL wasn't so important for all these guys that's why they lose? oh it's gonna be a big fat joke. Well then gsl not important for mc too that's why he lost to polt? or.... maybe... a couple TV games u won doesn't show that u're best in the world? Stop listen to Artosis with all that entertaiment stuff and play more in ML and GML, u will see real deal. not like "OH HE BEATS NADA AND GO TO FINALS HE'S ONE OF THE BEST PROTOSSES IN THE WORLD" (about inca obv). Pfff.
No carpal tunnel no skill
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
May 24 2011 00:44 GMT
#2329
On May 24 2011 09:41 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 08:11 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:59 HQuality wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:41 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:35 ChickenLips wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:
pretty awful matches tomorrow


How do you know? You've already seen them?



rain?

jookto?

thewind?

inca?

anypro?

games will not be good

and if they are, it's because both players make so many mistakes that it kind of balances itself out


Anypro is arguably the second best Protoss in the world, either way he's up there with Ace, Naniwa and San in the pack of people trailing behind MC.

by "in the world" u mean in Korea obv. Because we have chinese protosses, who MUCH better then korean atm


Well firstly MC is the best Protoss in the world by an absolute mile, he is light years ahead of any other Protoss player in terms of consistancy, innovation of the race and trophies in the cabinet.

The Chinese Toss players have proven nothing, their only games have come in a Chinese tournament. These games are the biggest games of their careers, they will be preparing every day for the Stars War tournament, their non Chinese opponents were not. When one player is doing that and the other has bigger things on their plate it's no suprise the guy who's spending all his time to snipe his opponent wins. It's the same reason a guy like Thorzain did so well in TSL, that tournament was the biggest thing he's ever entered in his SC2 career and seen as he wasn't in NASL, IPL, GSL or anything else it's not suprise he did great where as people with other more important competitions or just other competitions period didn't do as well. This is one of the many reasons why GSL is the pinnacle, because Code S is every players World Cup final, no one is treating their Code S games as anything but the most important thing they're doing in Sc2.

I agree some of the Chinese players look great, but when they go to Korea and start qualifying for Code S or start winning major Euro LANS we can begin to talk about them being amongst the best Protoss players, because right now they're all potential and no follow through.

i got it
u're fan of korea and of "he won 1 game he's new legend" stuff. mc isn't innovation of the race, or u think bronze league 2 proxies 10gates in dh final game is innovation? he just have really good micro and know timings of other races and sometimes he do random sh1t like nexus before gateway on metalopolis PvT vs guy, who known by his 2racks openings vsP :/
TSL wasn't so important for all these guys that's why they lose? oh it's gonna be a big fat joke. Well then gsl not important for mc too that's why he lost to polt? or.... maybe... a couple TV games u won doesn't show that u're best in the world? Stop listen to Artosis with all that entertaiment stuff and play more in ML and GML, u will see real deal. not like "OH HE BEATS NADA AND GO TO FINALS HE'S ONE OF THE BEST PROTOSSES IN THE WORLD" (about inca obv). Pfff.


Please let me know who has won more in Sc2 than MC. Winning is what matters, winning is in fact all that matters and MC is the biggest winner playing this game right now.
superxmikey
Profile Joined October 2010
United States28 Posts
May 24 2011 01:50 GMT
#2330
On May 24 2011 09:41 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 08:11 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:59 HQuality wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:41 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:35 ChickenLips wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:
pretty awful matches tomorrow


How do you know? You've already seen them?



rain?

jookto?

thewind?

inca?

anypro?

games will not be good

and if they are, it's because both players make so many mistakes that it kind of balances itself out


Anypro is arguably the second best Protoss in the world, either way he's up there with Ace, Naniwa and San in the pack of people trailing behind MC.

by "in the world" u mean in Korea obv. Because we have chinese protosses, who MUCH better then korean atm


Well firstly MC is the best Protoss in the world by an absolute mile, he is light years ahead of any other Protoss player in terms of consistancy, innovation of the race and trophies in the cabinet.

The Chinese Toss players have proven nothing, their only games have come in a Chinese tournament. These games are the biggest games of their careers, they will be preparing every day for the Stars War tournament, their non Chinese opponents were not. When one player is doing that and the other has bigger things on their plate it's no suprise the guy who's spending all his time to snipe his opponent wins. It's the same reason a guy like Thorzain did so well in TSL, that tournament was the biggest thing he's ever entered in his SC2 career and seen as he wasn't in NASL, IPL, GSL or anything else it's not suprise he did great where as people with other more important competitions or just other competitions period didn't do as well. This is one of the many reasons why GSL is the pinnacle, because Code S is every players World Cup final, no one is treating their Code S games as anything but the most important thing they're doing in Sc2.

I agree some of the Chinese players look great, but when they go to Korea and start qualifying for Code S or start winning major Euro LANS we can begin to talk about them being amongst the best Protoss players, because right now they're all potential and no follow through.

i got it
u're fan of korea and of "he won 1 game he's new legend" stuff. mc isn't innovation of the race, or u think bronze league 2 proxies 10gates in dh final game is innovation? he just have really good micro and know timings of other races and sometimes he do random sh1t like nexus before gateway on metalopolis PvT vs guy, who known by his 2racks openings vsP :/
TSL wasn't so important for all these guys that's why they lose? oh it's gonna be a big fat joke. Well then gsl not important for mc too that's why he lost to polt? or.... maybe... a couple TV games u won doesn't show that u're best in the world? Stop listen to Artosis with all that entertaiment stuff and play more in ML and GML, u will see real deal. not like "OH HE BEATS NADA AND GO TO FINALS HE'S ONE OF THE BEST PROTOSSES IN THE WORLD" (about inca obv). Pfff.


Obvious troll is obvious. Chinese players have not proven anything in the big leagues yet
Fojji
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom217 Posts
May 24 2011 02:28 GMT
#2331
Lyn vs MMA game 2 so heavly recommended but I thought it wasn't even good, wc3 fanboys up in ere???
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 24 2011 03:58 GMT
#2332
On May 24 2011 09:44 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 09:41 HQuality wrote:
On May 24 2011 08:11 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:59 HQuality wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:41 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:35 ChickenLips wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:
pretty awful matches tomorrow


How do you know? You've already seen them?



rain?

jookto?

thewind?

inca?

anypro?

games will not be good

and if they are, it's because both players make so many mistakes that it kind of balances itself out


Anypro is arguably the second best Protoss in the world, either way he's up there with Ace, Naniwa and San in the pack of people trailing behind MC.

by "in the world" u mean in Korea obv. Because we have chinese protosses, who MUCH better then korean atm


Well firstly MC is the best Protoss in the world by an absolute mile, he is light years ahead of any other Protoss player in terms of consistancy, innovation of the race and trophies in the cabinet.

The Chinese Toss players have proven nothing, their only games have come in a Chinese tournament. These games are the biggest games of their careers, they will be preparing every day for the Stars War tournament, their non Chinese opponents were not. When one player is doing that and the other has bigger things on their plate it's no suprise the guy who's spending all his time to snipe his opponent wins. It's the same reason a guy like Thorzain did so well in TSL, that tournament was the biggest thing he's ever entered in his SC2 career and seen as he wasn't in NASL, IPL, GSL or anything else it's not suprise he did great where as people with other more important competitions or just other competitions period didn't do as well. This is one of the many reasons why GSL is the pinnacle, because Code S is every players World Cup final, no one is treating their Code S games as anything but the most important thing they're doing in Sc2.

I agree some of the Chinese players look great, but when they go to Korea and start qualifying for Code S or start winning major Euro LANS we can begin to talk about them being amongst the best Protoss players, because right now they're all potential and no follow through.

i got it
u're fan of korea and of "he won 1 game he's new legend" stuff. mc isn't innovation of the race, or u think bronze league 2 proxies 10gates in dh final game is innovation? he just have really good micro and know timings of other races and sometimes he do random sh1t like nexus before gateway on metalopolis PvT vs guy, who known by his 2racks openings vsP :/
TSL wasn't so important for all these guys that's why they lose? oh it's gonna be a big fat joke. Well then gsl not important for mc too that's why he lost to polt? or.... maybe... a couple TV games u won doesn't show that u're best in the world? Stop listen to Artosis with all that entertaiment stuff and play more in ML and GML, u will see real deal. not like "OH HE BEATS NADA AND GO TO FINALS HE'S ONE OF THE BEST PROTOSSES IN THE WORLD" (about inca obv). Pfff.


Please let me know who has won more in Sc2 than MC. Winning is what matters, winning is in fact all that matters and MC is the biggest winner playing this game right now.

So, going back to one of your previous point, what exactly has Anypro won for you to laud him as second best Protoss in the world?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
May 24 2011 04:00 GMT
#2333
On May 23 2011 18:50 Daralii wrote:
Warp prism out for Creator, dunno what he's going to do with it.

EDIT: Hurray, I'm a reaver now. :3


OHHHHHH THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS! Woww can't believe I never noticed that before. And I've played a decent amount of BW Protoss, but it was so low-res I was completely convinced it was like a replica of the SC2 Terran Armor Upgrade for Infantry or something D:

On topic, all results I expected, but did not expect MVP/Creator (Creator is SOLID, expect to see some good things from him forthcoming) or MMA/Lyn to be so close (considering that MMA beat MVP in a TvT, and that the games [from what I can tell of the match polls] were pretty close [haven't watched VODs])
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 04:21:55
May 24 2011 04:20 GMT
#2334
On May 24 2011 09:41 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 08:11 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 24 2011 07:59 HQuality wrote:
On May 24 2011 05:41 Blasphemi wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:35 ChickenLips wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On May 23 2011 21:32 ChickenLips wrote:
pretty awful matches tomorrow


How do you know? You've already seen them?



rain?

jookto?

thewind?

inca?

anypro?

games will not be good

and if they are, it's because both players make so many mistakes that it kind of balances itself out


Anypro is arguably the second best Protoss in the world, either way he's up there with Ace, Naniwa and San in the pack of people trailing behind MC.

by "in the world" u mean in Korea obv. Because we have chinese protosses, who MUCH better then korean atm


Well firstly MC is the best Protoss in the world by an absolute mile, he is light years ahead of any other Protoss player in terms of consistancy, innovation of the race and trophies in the cabinet.

The Chinese Toss players have proven nothing, their only games have come in a Chinese tournament. These games are the biggest games of their careers, they will be preparing every day for the Stars War tournament, their non Chinese opponents were not. When one player is doing that and the other has bigger things on their plate it's no suprise the guy who's spending all his time to snipe his opponent wins. It's the same reason a guy like Thorzain did so well in TSL, that tournament was the biggest thing he's ever entered in his SC2 career and seen as he wasn't in NASL, IPL, GSL or anything else it's not suprise he did great where as people with other more important competitions or just other competitions period didn't do as well. This is one of the many reasons why GSL is the pinnacle, because Code S is every players World Cup final, no one is treating their Code S games as anything but the most important thing they're doing in Sc2.

I agree some of the Chinese players look great, but when they go to Korea and start qualifying for Code S or start winning major Euro LANS we can begin to talk about them being amongst the best Protoss players, because right now they're all potential and no follow through.

i got it
u're fan of korea and of "he won 1 game he's new legend" stuff. mc isn't innovation of the race, or u think bronze league 2 proxies 10gates in dh final game is innovation? he just have really good micro and know timings of other races and sometimes he do random sh1t like nexus before gateway on metalopolis PvT vs guy, who known by his 2racks openings vsP :/
TSL wasn't so important for all these guys that's why they lose? oh it's gonna be a big fat joke. Well then gsl not important for mc too that's why he lost to polt? or.... maybe... a couple TV games u won doesn't show that u're best in the world? Stop listen to Artosis with all that entertaiment stuff and play more in ML and GML, u will see real deal. not like "OH HE BEATS NADA AND GO TO FINALS HE'S ONE OF THE BEST PROTOSSES IN THE WORLD" (about inca obv). Pfff.


HQuality? Jeez, I mean if your name is gonna be that, at least back it up by typing something useful. He gave a great and well-reasoned answer to the original post about the Chinese which does have a legitimate point in of itself, you respond by trolling him. MC proxy two-gating that game has been discussed to death, and it has been established it was a brilliant, albeit slightly lame from a spectator's standpoint, tactical move.

MC has also innovated the race more than anyone else. Played against July building ONE OR TWO collosus the whole game when Laser Toss was the complete and only standard, one of the populators of mass gateway vs. Zerg. 6 gate sentry timing push vs. Terran, MC 4 gate vs. Zerg and now Terran as demonstrated by Inca (Both ridiculously good in boX play). Combined with the fact that there are no games I can think of off the top of my head where he's lost once he's gotten a third base established. (Did not watch all MC vs. Thorzain VODs so there may be a game or two in there), but that points to his strong macro abilities as well. He is not Inca in the way that he has way more achievements to back himself up, and almost noone considers Inca a seriously high level protoss.

Also, consistency does not mean a player wins everything. You point out a few specific cases where MC loses in fashions where he shouldn't. It is also acknowledged that his losses to Polt and others around that time and DRG are a result of overconfidence, by him specifically and that he is working on this. By your standard, Nestea and MVP/Bomber/MKP/Nada are not at the top of their respect races by their sometimes stupid losses, like Nestea vs. Rain S3, MVP to Code A vs. July, Alicia, and Genius, MKP in his visit to up/down last season, and Nada's cheese loss to Inca.

You point out a few instances and instantly try to make that the basis of all your assumptions about a player, but actually, you are limiting your perspective. The Chinese protosses are yes, good, but until the put up some results on the GSL or MLG scale, noone really knows exactly how well they scale to the Koreans or the rest of the foreigners.
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
sleigh bells
Profile Joined April 2011
United States358 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 04:46:53
May 24 2011 04:39 GMT
#2335
lol what's with the xelnaga tower being on a countdown then exploding?

also for VODs, if i click to game 3, it will show the ad for game 1 and game 3...simultaneously (well a few seconds off each other). this is EXTREMELY annoying. i know i am saving $10 by not paying for ad-free, and i am fine with watching an ad or even two, but two at once so that they are just incomprehensible. anyone else have this problem?
Sup son? ¯\__(ツ)__/¯
icouldcareless
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
May 24 2011 04:50 GMT
#2336
On May 24 2011 11:28 Fojji wrote:
Lyn vs MMA game 2 so heavly recommended but I thought it wasn't even good, wc3 fanboys up in ere???


It was probably overly high since the previous games were terrible and that one had a nice comeback.
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
May 24 2011 05:03 GMT
#2337
Kinda surprising MVP and MMA both dropped games here.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
May 24 2011 05:05 GMT
#2338
On May 24 2011 13:39 sleigh bells wrote:
lol what's with the xelnaga tower being on a countdown then exploding?

also for VODs, if i click to game 3, it will show the ad for game 1 and game 3...simultaneously (well a few seconds off each other). this is EXTREMELY annoying. i know i am saving $10 by not paying for ad-free, and i am fine with watching an ad or even two, but two at once so that they are just incomprehensible. anyone else have this problem?

You actually listen to the ads? Just mute your computer for 30 seconds...
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On May 24 2011 14:03 I)etox wrote:
Kinda surprising MVP and MMA both dropped games here.


But a nice surprise, since it made Lyn and Creator look good. I like watching new talent rise
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