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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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woobsauce
United States491 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:50 Quanticfograw wrote: This is sickening.... I really wish that the punishments for this were a little worse but I guess it is not a perfect world and Coca is a good player.... I really think they should at least let him finish the Code S season. This entire incident is terrible, and CoCa absolutely deserves to be punished for his actions. However, having the GSL tournament instantly also suffer as a result seems both ironic and unncessary. | ||
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Desiderium
Belgium29 Posts
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BaLLz(SVK)
Netherlands42 Posts
On November 15 2011 15:44 Crushgroove wrote: Pretty big difference between match fixing and simple collusion.... losing so your team mate or chosen opponent makes a tourney is not the same as throwing a game for money... example: I'm playing someone I KNOW I can beat 9 times out of 10. If I lose, he gets a slot in GSL, which I already have. This increases the likelihood that I will play someone I have a very high chance to win against in a later tournament where it matters. Compare that to savior. Bets assloads of money against himself, then loses on purpose, in the biggest event. Two different levels of bad there... Very well said. Also, I don't know whether it has been discussed, but I seriously doubt Coca would "forfeit" his code S spot voluntarily. I agree that he should be punished, but I think people are overreacting. In no way should this be considered as match fixing or even compared to the severity of Savior's incident. | ||
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VeniVidiViciW
Netherlands20 Posts
but then again, what about the blizzcon finals then, even though it was not directly chatted about in-game ^^ | ||
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Jisira
470 Posts
I doubt that these kids planned it out as is evident by the in-game chat. Sad to see Coca go from Code S, he's a fun player to watch, but I guess it was the right move. | ||
Chessz
United States644 Posts
On November 15 2011 19:52 VeniVidiViciW wrote: Too bad indeed that coca had to leave the GSL, would have been nice matches indeed. But those kind of match fixing things should be dealt with to preserve pro gaming tournaments imo but then again, what about the blizzcon finals then, even though it was not directly chatted about in-game ^^ i'm pretty sure that was a result of just pooling 1st place/2nd place money and split it, combined with the korean sense of "wanting to put on a good show" | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:14 Chessz wrote: i'm pretty sure that was a result of just pooling 1st place/2nd place money and split it, combined with the korean sense of "wanting to put on a good show" After NesTea's play today you can't honestly still believe he threw Blizzcon. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
I never feel so bad. CoCa lost everything due to nothing. And I wonder if he won the 3rd game what will happen then? It is like CoCa just wanted to practice with Byun one game more and decided to gg 2 game. I am so crazy about the made decision. PS and for example in Korean Weekly we have a lot of matches when one player doesn't appear to play his game. For example KeeN vs Golden. KeeN didn't appear so it means he forfeited his match. In another example in http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Finals_3 GuMiho didn't play vs his teammate Sirius. GuMiho had GSL slot and Sirius no. Yes there was no chat but does it matter? | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
On November 15 2011 23:55 DiMano wrote: In another example in http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly/Finals_3 GuMiho didn't play vs his teammate Sirius. GuMiho had GSL slot and Sirius no. Yes there was no chat but does it matter? No proof, no punishment. | ||
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On November 15 2011 19:18 BaLLz(SVK) wrote: Very well said. Also, I don't know whether it has been discussed, but I seriously doubt Coca would "forfeit" his code S spot voluntarily. I agree that he should be punished, but I think people are overreacting. In no way should this be considered as match fixing or even compared to the severity of Savior's incident. I agree as well, while what Coca and Byun did was not pure as white, it wasn't as dark as night. There is a large difference between this and match fixing. While neither are acceptable, I feel the Korean community is taking this to level of severity that should be reserved for such things like match fixing. Also, I would hate to be Coca, I could not even imagine how bad it must be to have The Emperor look at you with disappointment. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
all this time i thought the coca/byun hoo hah was because the game was for a code A spot - whereas it was just a quarter final in one of the weeklies. while they're both dumb for doing so, obviously it's been blown exponentially out of proportion | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:24 sixfour wrote: oh sweet jesus all this time i thought the coca/byun hoo hah was because the game was for a code A spot - whereas it was just a quarter final in one of the weeklies. while they're both dumb for doing so, obviously it's been blown exponentially out of proportion It was Ro 32. All SlayerS Terrans chose to enjoy G-Star event instead of helping CoCa practice ZvT. SlayerS team should blame themselves for this. | ||
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bayaka
Canada102 Posts
On November 15 2011 16:50 Quanticfograw wrote: This is sickening.... I really wish that the punishments for this were a little worse but I guess it is not a perfect world and Coca is a good player.... Are you serious? He succumbed to peer pressure from an older friend and somebody he probably looks up to (CoCa is 17 I think.) If everybody is honest with themselves, especially if you see the extended chat, we could probably all see ourselves in CoCa's position and possibly doing roughly the same thing. I'm not saying he was right, but for a 17 year old to meet a bump in the road and not respond appropriately is pretty common. Also, how the HELL do you not have anybody to practice ZvT with when you are on SlayerS? His team more or less abandoned him apparently when he was fighting for a Ro8 spot against 3 Terran... Maybe it would be better if he joined some other team, I know plenty of teams would want him. | ||
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ranjutan
United States636 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:25 DiMano wrote: It was Ro 32. All SlayerS Terrans chose to enjoy G-Star event instead of helping CoCa practice ZvT. SlayerS team should blame themselves for this. Am I missing something? Shouldn't you be blaming Prime Clan for not helping Byun practice TvZ? Or blaming SlayerS for making CoCa too good ZvT? | ||
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bayaka
Canada102 Posts
On November 16 2011 02:05 ranjutan wrote: Am I missing something? Shouldn't you be blaming Prime Clan for not helping Byun practice TvZ? Or blaming SlayerS for making CoCa too good ZvT? There is an extended chat log I think. I'll try to find it and share it with an edit if I can. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Can a mod check for this event in the waiting for approval list? | ||
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AndyVN
United States10 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:13 Phobbers wrote: I agree as well, while what Coca and Byun did was not pure as white, it wasn't as dark as night. There is a large difference between this and match fixing. While neither are acceptable, I feel the Korean community is taking this to level of severity that should be reserved for such things like match fixing. Also, I would hate to be Coca, I could not even imagine how bad it must be to have The Emperor look at you with disappointment. I agree with the situation as of now. Slayers Management did the right thing to discipline Coca's actions regarding to ESV controversy (he is not kicked/banned from Slayers/GSL), but I do not think GSL should be taken into account in further punishing Coca's actions because it seems to be blown out of proportion. It will take time to quiet down before Coca is able to play again. It was wrong, but not to the point of illegal activity. People make mistakes and the kid is young. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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