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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 23 2011 04:24 GMT
#4381
You guys think that we know all the results of matches. You guys also have no idea how hard communicating with Fenix is He logged off right after the 2v2 and I couldn't reach him. Anyway, that's that.

GL guys, believe what you want
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
hydra21
Profile Joined November 2010
94 Posts
June 23 2011 04:24 GMT
#4382
On June 23 2011 13:22 yesplz wrote:
Makes perfect sense for MSI to lose. col is a weaker team than sixjax, so of course it would be better for col to advance. Of course it would be hilarious if this bit them in the ass and then MSI manages to lose to col in the playoffs...


lol I hate to sound mean but Col wasn't invited in the first place for a reason. Fnatic playing sen + fenix is almost a guaranteed win.
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
June 23 2011 04:24 GMT
#4383
On June 23 2011 13:21 hydra21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:17 Ansalem wrote:
On June 23 2011 12:58 Xeris wrote:
Well: we had NightEnD, TT1, and Sen at Dreamhack (this was played on Thursday, which is the day they all left). KawaiiRice had to leave right after his match because he had WCG qualifiers. JF had to leave right after, and Fenix logged off after the 2v2.

So I was literally the only player left. Also -- since we knew we were 100% guaranteed for the playoffs, and we were already +2 points for the match, why not!


Fenix logged off after the 2v2, but you don't give any reason he had to go. If you knew he was the only player around for an ace match, wouldn't it have been a good idea to have him stay online?

I feel sorry for Sixjax, whether this was a purposeful throw or not.


Yeah it seems strange to me. Fenix was in the 2v2 so he knew it was going to an ace... and it's not like they weren't in communication they were in the same game together :/


I'm not sure on this but I think a player can only play twice (one being 1v1 and other in the 2v2), fenix playing in the second match against drewbie and then for the 2v2.
you live and you learn
hydra21
Profile Joined November 2010
94 Posts
June 23 2011 04:25 GMT
#4384
On June 23 2011 13:23 illsick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:17 lucasesper wrote:
On June 23 2011 12:58 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well: we had NightEnD, TT1, and Sen at Dreamhack (this was played on Thursday, which is the day they all left). KawaiiRice had to leave right after his match because he had WCG qualifiers. JF had to leave right after, and Fenix logged off after the 2v2.

So I was literally the only player left. Also -- since we knew we were 100% guaranteed for the playoffs, and we were already +2 points for the match, why not!


If you can't get real players to play your matches, you have failed as a manager. Like that situation would ever happen if Fnatic needed a win to qualify. So, yes, you just "actually" threw a match.

"Why not"? Because its unprofessional. Because you must show respect for other e-sports organizations, their fans, your fans and your sponsors. Because its not OK to throw games, screw over a bunch of people and laugh about it. If coL wants to advance, make them sweat for it, like you would in any other round. That's what respect means.



stuff like this happens

if a NFL team already clinched a certain spot in playoffs, they rest their starters and play the reserves


You mean so they don't get physically injured and can't play in the finals? Did you even think out this comparison before you made it?
CocoA
Profile Joined May 2004
Panama169 Posts
June 23 2011 04:26 GMT
#4385
ROFL
vilg
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark413 Posts
June 23 2011 04:27 GMT
#4386
rage happening at the sixjax HQ right now
lucasesper
Profile Joined June 2010
Brazil181 Posts
June 23 2011 04:28 GMT
#4387
On June 23 2011 13:21 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
We were already in the playoffs. Not my fault. It's not like we know the results of other clanwars when we play. Why would I go chasing my players when we already were a lock for the playoffs. Didn't matter for us, so I played it. Not like I tried to lose. CatZ is just much better than me.


It would matter if you had any respect for other teams or for the spirit of competition. Fnatic just made a fool of itself, not sure how that is OK when they are associating their name with sponsors. Definitely lost a fan today and I enjoyed Fnatic even before sc2 was released. Oh well.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
June 23 2011 04:28 GMT
#4388
On June 23 2011 13:25 hydra21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:23 illsick wrote:
On June 23 2011 13:17 lucasesper wrote:
On June 23 2011 12:58 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well: we had NightEnD, TT1, and Sen at Dreamhack (this was played on Thursday, which is the day they all left). KawaiiRice had to leave right after his match because he had WCG qualifiers. JF had to leave right after, and Fenix logged off after the 2v2.

So I was literally the only player left. Also -- since we knew we were 100% guaranteed for the playoffs, and we were already +2 points for the match, why not!


If you can't get real players to play your matches, you have failed as a manager. Like that situation would ever happen if Fnatic needed a win to qualify. So, yes, you just "actually" threw a match.

"Why not"? Because its unprofessional. Because you must show respect for other e-sports organizations, their fans, your fans and your sponsors. Because its not OK to throw games, screw over a bunch of people and laugh about it. If coL wants to advance, make them sweat for it, like you would in any other round. That's what respect means.



stuff like this happens

if a NFL team already clinched a certain spot in playoffs, they rest their starters and play the reserves


You mean so they don't get physically injured and can't play in the finals? Did you even think out this comparison before you made it?


the analogy still applies. when your advancement is secured, you are not obliged to fill out a full team regardless of the impact on the rest of the ladder
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 23 2011 04:29 GMT
#4389
On June 23 2011 13:25 hydra21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:23 illsick wrote:
On June 23 2011 13:17 lucasesper wrote:
On June 23 2011 12:58 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well: we had NightEnD, TT1, and Sen at Dreamhack (this was played on Thursday, which is the day they all left). KawaiiRice had to leave right after his match because he had WCG qualifiers. JF had to leave right after, and Fenix logged off after the 2v2.

So I was literally the only player left. Also -- since we knew we were 100% guaranteed for the playoffs, and we were already +2 points for the match, why not!


If you can't get real players to play your matches, you have failed as a manager. Like that situation would ever happen if Fnatic needed a win to qualify. So, yes, you just "actually" threw a match.

"Why not"? Because its unprofessional. Because you must show respect for other e-sports organizations, their fans, your fans and your sponsors. Because its not OK to throw games, screw over a bunch of people and laugh about it. If coL wants to advance, make them sweat for it, like you would in any other round. That's what respect means.



stuff like this happens

if a NFL team already clinched a certain spot in playoffs, they rest their starters and play the reserves


You mean so they don't get physically injured and can't play in the finals? Did you even think out this comparison before you made it?


Carpal Tunnel Symdrone? =P

In all seriousness, I think people here on TL hate Xeris for whatever reason... maybe he should've realized the potential backlash, but it seems like he didn't notice the potential playoff implications for other teams. I can't blame him, that's like saying if MYM didn't bring out their top lineup in their last match vs dignitas (they didn't... SaSe didn't play, and Mondi didn't play)...... is that throwing a match too?

Anyway, in short, I think Xeris should've found a way to get someone involved, but at the same time, you guys are roasting him for something that doesn't seem intentional. Maybe it was a carefully calculated effort to get coL in over EG and sixjax or whatever, but we should have the presumption of innocence, no?
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
June 23 2011 04:29 GMT
#4390
On June 23 2011 13:25 hydra21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:23 illsick wrote:
On June 23 2011 13:17 lucasesper wrote:
On June 23 2011 12:58 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well: we had NightEnD, TT1, and Sen at Dreamhack (this was played on Thursday, which is the day they all left). KawaiiRice had to leave right after his match because he had WCG qualifiers. JF had to leave right after, and Fenix logged off after the 2v2.

So I was literally the only player left. Also -- since we knew we were 100% guaranteed for the playoffs, and we were already +2 points for the match, why not!


If you can't get real players to play your matches, you have failed as a manager. Like that situation would ever happen if Fnatic needed a win to qualify. So, yes, you just "actually" threw a match.

"Why not"? Because its unprofessional. Because you must show respect for other e-sports organizations, their fans, your fans and your sponsors. Because its not OK to throw games, screw over a bunch of people and laugh about it. If coL wants to advance, make them sweat for it, like you would in any other round. That's what respect means.



stuff like this happens

if a NFL team already clinched a certain spot in playoffs, they rest their starters and play the reserves


You mean so they don't get physically injured and can't play in the finals? Did you even think out this comparison before you made it?


But they aren't trying to win to be "professional" or show "respect" for their fans and sponsors either.
you live and you learn
Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
June 23 2011 04:30 GMT
#4391
On June 23 2011 13:28 lucasesper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:21 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
We were already in the playoffs. Not my fault. It's not like we know the results of other clanwars when we play. Why would I go chasing my players when we already were a lock for the playoffs. Didn't matter for us, so I played it. Not like I tried to lose. CatZ is just much better than me.


It would matter if you had any respect for other teams or for the spirit of competition. Fnatic just made a fool of itself, not sure how that is OK when they are associating their name with sponsors. Definitely lost a fan today and I enjoyed Fnatic even before sc2 was released. Oh well.

You're overreacting just like that FeelTheTension guy. I'm guessing you also hate Select and MC when they did their capital ship shenanagins in NASL ?
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
June 23 2011 04:30 GMT
#4392
CatZ ended the series out very awesomely, I can't wait to watch the VOD for what I missed while I worked.

Good show djWHEAT, OneMoreGameTV staff, SirScoots, INcontrol. Thanks to the fans, for the good chat.
Support your esport!
leova
Profile Joined April 2011
266 Posts
June 23 2011 04:30 GMT
#4393
fell asleep watching the boring cast earlier today, glad i missed what apparently was some serious shenanigans from one of the teams
HuckIt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States9 Posts
June 23 2011 04:33 GMT
#4394
On June 23 2011 13:28 lucasesper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:21 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
We were already in the playoffs. Not my fault. It's not like we know the results of other clanwars when we play. Why would I go chasing my players when we already were a lock for the playoffs. Didn't matter for us, so I played it. Not like I tried to lose. CatZ is just much better than me.


It would matter if you had any respect for other teams or for the spirit of competition. Fnatic just made a fool of itself, not sure how that is OK when they are associating their name with sponsors. Definitely lost a fan today and I enjoyed Fnatic even before sc2 was released. Oh well.


I was looking for the right words to express my feelings, and this captures it very well. I've also been giving NASL the benefit of the doubt as much I could as well, as a season long subscriber and supporter, but it's hard to keep that up with the lack of professionalism (IMO) that I've been seeing from Xeris.
lucasesper
Profile Joined June 2010
Brazil181 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 04:42:24
June 23 2011 04:38 GMT
#4395
On June 23 2011 13:30 Kar98 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 13:28 lucasesper wrote:
On June 23 2011 13:21 Xeris wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
We were already in the playoffs. Not my fault. It's not like we know the results of other clanwars when we play. Why would I go chasing my players when we already were a lock for the playoffs. Didn't matter for us, so I played it. Not like I tried to lose. CatZ is just much better than me.


It would matter if you had any respect for other teams or for the spirit of competition. Fnatic just made a fool of itself, not sure how that is OK when they are associating their name with sponsors. Definitely lost a fan today and I enjoyed Fnatic even before sc2 was released. Oh well.


You're overreacting just like that FeelTheTension guy. I'm guessing you also hate Select and MC when they did their capital ship shenanagins in NASL ?


I had fun watching Select to be honest, mostly because the harm was minimal (he wasn't knocking anyone out) and entertainment value from the match was high.

But I think stuff like this, with games being thrown, create a bad precedent.

Anyone believes that throwing games is good for a spectator sport? How can that be desirable?

Sure it happens in NFL etc, but at least there is a good reason there. Throwing a sc2 game because you can't get a player to hang 30min more is completely different from risking a football player from injury.

As I said, "oh well", it's just a game anyways, no reason to get too upset about it.
spybreak
Profile Joined October 2010
United States684 Posts
June 23 2011 04:38 GMT
#4396
Sixjax manager's reaction to what happened tonight:

http://www.sixjaxgaming.com/wp/scii/2011/06/23/sixjax-gaming-and-mcsl-playoffs/#more-284
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
June 23 2011 04:43 GMT
#4397
Sixjax didn't qualify because they didn't win enough games. fnatic has nothing to do with that.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 23 2011 04:50 GMT
#4398
On June 23 2011 13:43 Soap wrote:
Sixjax didn't qualify because they didn't win enough games. fnatic has nothing to do with that.


This is my feeling (partially) too. fnatic could've done a bit better with playing. But sixjax could've won one more.

Like Idra said on DJwheat's show (not sure which one, not a fan of IdrA) re: NASL... sure, PainUser was essentially "throwing" matches, but if Idra had won more earlier, he wouldn't have been relying on a PainUser win vs Zenio anyway (not that it mattered... Idra lost to Boxer anyway lol).
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 04:51:18
June 23 2011 04:50 GMT
#4399
On June 23 2011 13:43 Soap wrote:
Sixjax didn't qualify because they didn't win enough games. fnatic has nothing to do with that.


This is basically the jist of it, people can theorize about backdoor deals between coL and Fnatic but I don't think they're there (the stream chat was pretty f'ing bad, lol), this just happened to play out in a pretty awkward manner because of so many players being at DreamHack (I know earlier in the EGMC because of timezones etc Fnatic has had trouble fielding the players they want to, poor Kawaii playing TvP in the ace match lol, and in this case the results simply didn't matter to them, no sane manager is going to try to force TTOne, NightEnd or Sen to play in games that don't matter when they're preparing for DreamHack), however IMO because of the rather unique situation of coL taking the place of ROOT, a tiebreak match would be great. Mostly great for me, because I want to see me games and there's a long time until July 2nd/3rd . Regardless, its a kinda sad/anticlimatic way to end the season. gogo tiebreak match!
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 23 2011 04:52 GMT
#4400
Ouch. I feel bad for SixJax. Considering I've played Xeris before, he obviously doesn't play at a very high level

Of course they could've won more games, but still it's not really ideal.
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