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Steelavocado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2123 Posts
June 16 2011 09:42 GMT
#4041
Holy guacamole (see what I did there)! Gratz MILL for taking down the new COL lineup. Hopefully stephano can participate in more and more tournys, however, the rate he wins tournies/improves depends on his school effort?(dont quote me on that).
Either way, GG MILL!
BTW COL, Great new lineup, better luck next week!
MIRACLE IS YOUR TI7 CHAMP
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 16 2011 15:20 GMT
#4042
col should just go with Catz + Drewbie as a 2v2 team, that's what they're really good at.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
June 16 2011 15:29 GMT
#4043
On June 17 2011 00:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
col should just go with Catz + Drewbie as a 2v2 team, that's what they're really good at.


Doubt Drewbie was available to play seeing as he wasn't put in for the 1v1s.

Mill is very good, dunno if they're the best team in the league player-wise, but still very impressive.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
June 16 2011 15:59 GMT
#4044
Just watch the vod of game 1... Funny that Idra is saying that Root was extremely top heavy with Kiwi as a lone ace and the rest of player well below him. The same could be told about EG ^^
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
June 16 2011 16:00 GMT
#4045
On June 16 2011 16:35 SSLPrism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:12 Redox wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:08 SSLPrism wrote:
On June 16 2011 08:18 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 07:46 Bagi wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:17 Quintum_ wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:10 Mailing wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:09 haxard wrote:
they rely on idra so much lol


So?

That's what being an Ace means.

Kiwikaki was the IdrA of ROOT for example

A lot of teams have one


Ya i would have to say most foreign teams have only one S class player, with the rest being a bunch of A and B teamers. Not enough foreign talent at the very top of the pool.

Not really, EG and ROOT seem to be the biggest offenders.

I think teams like Dignitas, Mouz and Empire (why aren't they in this league?!) have solid overall lineups.


Dignitas has naniwa and select

The other teams are European and have a bigger pool of talent too choose from.

If all the top Na teams put out their best players on one Team it would be basically Empire's level >_>

I wish we had more top players


Disagree completely, empire is a solid team, but not at the level of say dignitas & mouz, the top NA players would easily be a better team than them with players like Major, Idra & Kiwikaki.

Lol I bet even the Dignitas and mouz players would disagree with you.
Everyone in europe has huge respect for the Empire guys. Yeah they are not at the big tournaments for various reasons, but that does not make them any less strong.

On June 16 2011 11:11 halvorg wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:10 Redox wrote:
Can anyone recap the results so far?


Diestar 2-0 minigun
Stephano 2-0 cruncher

Thanks man.



I didnt say they didnt respect them, don't misunderstand me, empire is a good, solid team, but they are simply not as good as dignitas & mouz, both of those teams are superior to empire, but empire is definetely a top european/foreign team, just not at the level of dignitas/mouz.

But what are you basing these stupid claims on, all you are saying is "yea they are just not better". Nerchio destroyed MorroW and Thorzain just last week Mouz two best players. Empire have played no team leagues at all. So concluding they are not as good like you have done is just stupid. Mouz and Dignitas are superior to IM and SlayerS because they have never played in a masters cup also herpderphpdperpphperpdperp
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
June 16 2011 16:37 GMT
#4046
On June 17 2011 01:00 toadyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 16:35 SSLPrism wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:12 Redox wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:08 SSLPrism wrote:
On June 16 2011 08:18 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 07:46 Bagi wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:17 Quintum_ wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:10 Mailing wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:09 haxard wrote:
they rely on idra so much lol


So?

That's what being an Ace means.

Kiwikaki was the IdrA of ROOT for example

A lot of teams have one


Ya i would have to say most foreign teams have only one S class player, with the rest being a bunch of A and B teamers. Not enough foreign talent at the very top of the pool.

Not really, EG and ROOT seem to be the biggest offenders.

I think teams like Dignitas, Mouz and Empire (why aren't they in this league?!) have solid overall lineups.


Dignitas has naniwa and select

The other teams are European and have a bigger pool of talent too choose from.

If all the top Na teams put out their best players on one Team it would be basically Empire's level >_>

I wish we had more top players


Disagree completely, empire is a solid team, but not at the level of say dignitas & mouz, the top NA players would easily be a better team than them with players like Major, Idra & Kiwikaki.

Lol I bet even the Dignitas and mouz players would disagree with you.
Everyone in europe has huge respect for the Empire guys. Yeah they are not at the big tournaments for various reasons, but that does not make them any less strong.

On June 16 2011 11:11 halvorg wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:10 Redox wrote:
Can anyone recap the results so far?


Diestar 2-0 minigun
Stephano 2-0 cruncher

Thanks man.



I didnt say they didnt respect them, don't misunderstand me, empire is a good, solid team, but they are simply not as good as dignitas & mouz, both of those teams are superior to empire, but empire is definetely a top european/foreign team, just not at the level of dignitas/mouz.

But what are you basing these stupid claims on, all you are saying is "yea they are just not better". Nerchio destroyed MorroW and Thorzain just last week Mouz two best players. Empire have played no team leagues at all. So concluding they are not as good like you have done is just stupid. Mouz and Dignitas are superior to IM and SlayerS because they have never played in a masters cup also herpderphpdperpphperpdperp

Actuall Empire plays in iP Team League 2.
Link to it HERE
Sadly no one is streaming it in english
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
June 16 2011 16:47 GMT
#4047
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 16 2011 16:34 KamehameHoe wrote:
Happy Kas and Nerchio very well may be the most feared players on EU Server. They are dominating weekly cups they attend on a regular basis.

I would love to seem them on the big stage for once(i know kas has some problems when it comes to offline events).

Happy already was a beast in Wc3. He prob had the best micro of all including the koreans.

Just check this shit out =>



Getting sick to death of people posting that micro video. Congrats he can do marine splitting, it is one portion of the game and if your decision making, build order/strategy, macro aren't up to par then it is kind of irrelevant.

I'm sure Nerchio and Happy are amazing, but frankly only Kas of Empire has shown anything so far (Copenhagen and TSL qualify + placing). The other 2 need to give a performance at a major event (normally LAN, but large online tournament like TSL is good proof too) before we can say they're good. Yes, ladder is indicative but not everything, and smaller tournaments such as weekly cups only say that they're good at that style of competition (where it is even questionable whether the other players entering are any good, or try at all).
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
June 16 2011 16:50 GMT
#4048
On June 17 2011 01:47 bennyaus wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 16 2011 16:34 KamehameHoe wrote:
Happy Kas and Nerchio very well may be the most feared players on EU Server. They are dominating weekly cups they attend on a regular basis.

I would love to seem them on the big stage for once(i know kas has some problems when it comes to offline events).

Happy already was a beast in Wc3. He prob had the best micro of all including the koreans.

Just check this shit out => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA&feature=player_embedded



Getting sick to death of people posting that micro video. Congrats he can do marine splitting, it is one portion of the game and if your decision making, build order/strategy, macro aren't up to par then it is kind of irrelevant.

I'm sure Nerchio and Happy are amazing, but frankly only Kas of Empire has shown anything so far (Copenhagen and TSL qualify + placing). The other 2 need to give a performance at a major event (normally LAN, but large online tournament like TSL is good proof too) before we can say they're good. Yes, ladder is indicative but not everything, and smaller tournaments such as weekly cups only say that they're good at that style of competition (where it is even questionable whether the other players entering are any good, or try at all).

All i can say....
Enjoy reading
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233718
aphorism
Profile Joined February 2011
United States226 Posts
June 16 2011 16:56 GMT
#4049
On June 17 2011 01:50 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 01:47 bennyaus wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 16 2011 16:34 KamehameHoe wrote:
Happy Kas and Nerchio very well may be the most feared players on EU Server. They are dominating weekly cups they attend on a regular basis.

I would love to seem them on the big stage for once(i know kas has some problems when it comes to offline events).

Happy already was a beast in Wc3. He prob had the best micro of all including the koreans.

Just check this shit out => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA&feature=player_embedded



Getting sick to death of people posting that micro video. Congrats he can do marine splitting, it is one portion of the game and if your decision making, build order/strategy, macro aren't up to par then it is kind of irrelevant.

I'm sure Nerchio and Happy are amazing, but frankly only Kas of Empire has shown anything so far (Copenhagen and TSL qualify + placing). The other 2 need to give a performance at a major event (normally LAN, but large online tournament like TSL is good proof too) before we can say they're good. Yes, ladder is indicative but not everything, and smaller tournaments such as weekly cups only say that they're good at that style of competition (where it is even questionable whether the other players entering are any good, or try at all).

All i can say....
Enjoy reading
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=233718


As far as major events go, I'd like to draw attention to Empire's results at the ESL dailymotion cup and the Shoutcraft invitational, both of which featured other great European players (e.g. White-ra, Strelok)
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
June 16 2011 21:32 GMT
#4050
On June 17 2011 01:47 bennyaus wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 16 2011 16:34 KamehameHoe wrote:
Happy Kas and Nerchio very well may be the most feared players on EU Server. They are dominating weekly cups they attend on a regular basis.

I would love to seem them on the big stage for once(i know kas has some problems when it comes to offline events).

Happy already was a beast in Wc3. He prob had the best micro of all including the koreans.

Just check this shit out => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA&feature=player_embedded



Getting sick to death of people posting that micro video. Congrats he can do marine splitting, it is one portion of the game and if your decision making, build order/strategy, macro aren't up to par then it is kind of irrelevant.

I'm sure Nerchio and Happy are amazing, but frankly only Kas of Empire has shown anything so far (Copenhagen and TSL qualify + placing). The other 2 need to give a performance at a major event (normally LAN, but large online tournament like TSL is good proof too) before we can say they're good. Yes, ladder is indicative but not everything, and smaller tournaments such as weekly cups only say that they're good at that style of competition (where it is even questionable whether the other players entering are any good, or try at all).

European daily and weekly cups are a great indication of how well someone is playing. Because the level of competition is always extremely high, the top European players are actually competing in a lot of them. I wish some NA players would take the time to compete in some of the European cups because I don't see anything on a daily / weekly basis on NA that rivals the level of competition top European players get almost everyday.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 16 2011 21:40 GMT
#4051
On June 17 2011 06:32 toadyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 01:47 bennyaus wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 16 2011 16:34 KamehameHoe wrote:
Happy Kas and Nerchio very well may be the most feared players on EU Server. They are dominating weekly cups they attend on a regular basis.

I would love to seem them on the big stage for once(i know kas has some problems when it comes to offline events).

Happy already was a beast in Wc3. He prob had the best micro of all including the koreans.

Just check this shit out => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA&feature=player_embedded



Getting sick to death of people posting that micro video. Congrats he can do marine splitting, it is one portion of the game and if your decision making, build order/strategy, macro aren't up to par then it is kind of irrelevant.

I'm sure Nerchio and Happy are amazing, but frankly only Kas of Empire has shown anything so far (Copenhagen and TSL qualify + placing). The other 2 need to give a performance at a major event (normally LAN, but large online tournament like TSL is good proof too) before we can say they're good. Yes, ladder is indicative but not everything, and smaller tournaments such as weekly cups only say that they're good at that style of competition (where it is even questionable whether the other players entering are any good, or try at all).

European daily and weekly cups are a great indication of how well someone is playing. Because the level of competition is always extremely high, the top European players are actually competing in a lot of them. I wish some NA players would take the time to compete in some of the European cups because I don't see anything on a daily / weekly basis on NA that rivals the level of competition top European players get almost everyday.


I think since a lot of stuff is midweek it's a bit hard for NA guys to get on in time. Also on the weekend there are some NA stuff isn't there?
TeMiL
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Peru545 Posts
June 16 2011 21:46 GMT
#4052
whre is the information about Season IV, III, etc?
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
June 16 2011 21:53 GMT
#4053
On June 16 2011 16:07 Chicane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 11:19 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:12 Redox wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:08 SSLPrism wrote:
On June 16 2011 08:18 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 07:46 Bagi wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:17 Quintum_ wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:10 Mailing wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:09 haxard wrote:
they rely on idra so much lol


So?

That's what being an Ace means.

Kiwikaki was the IdrA of ROOT for example

A lot of teams have one


Ya i would have to say most foreign teams have only one S class player, with the rest being a bunch of A and B teamers. Not enough foreign talent at the very top of the pool.

Not really, EG and ROOT seem to be the biggest offenders.

I think teams like Dignitas, Mouz and Empire (why aren't they in this league?!) have solid overall lineups.


Dignitas has naniwa and select

The other teams are European and have a bigger pool of talent too choose from.

If all the top Na teams put out their best players on one Team it would be basically Empire's level >_>

I wish we had more top players


Disagree completely, empire is a solid team, but not at the level of say dignitas & mouz, the top NA players would easily be a better team than them with players like Major, Idra & Kiwikaki.

Lol I bet even the Dignitas and mouz players would disagree with you.
Everyone in europe has huge respect for the Empire guys. Yeah they are not at the big tournaments for various reasons, but that does not make them any less strong.

On June 16 2011 11:11 halvorg wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:10 Redox wrote:
Can anyone recap the results so far?


Diestar 2-0 minigun
Stephano 2-0 cruncher

Thanks man.



Yes Empire is good, but I think Major, Idra, Kiwi, HuK, Select, etc>>Happy, Nerchio, Kas, etc. Don't see how you could argue this


Is this post serious? First of all, you list a bunch of players from different teams, and say that those players are better... we are talking about teams here. Saying that HasuObs, Stephano and Select (just as an example, as all of them are in this league) are better than Happy Nerchio and Kas isn't even relevant... Just listing solid players from many team says nothing about a single team. What point were you even trying to get at?

Also, "Don't see how you could argue this." Seriously? How is it possible to be that sure that they are better, especially since I am VERY sure you haven't seen much of Nerchio or Happy recently.

...?



Um I was referring to a post where someone said that Empire>>the top players in NA. Try to read what I'm quoting before you jump off on my post.
And I'm not arguing Major>Happy, Select>Kas, Idra>Nerchio etc. I was arguing that the top NA players>the team of Empire. If you seriously think that Kas/Happy/Nerchio is enough to put Empire over the pinnacle of NA then you need to watch more NA play. Yes Europe is better, but not that better.

Try to read the whole argument before you attack one post
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 22:07:00
June 16 2011 22:06 GMT
#4054
On June 17 2011 06:46 TeMiL wrote:
whre is the information about Season IV, III, etc?

The Master's cup is a tournament series. There have been 2 SC2 1vs.1, 1 Quake Live and 1 CS tournament.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 16 2011 22:09 GMT
#4055
I haven't gotten an email about week 7... not sure how to contact complexity to organize our match @_@
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1238 Posts
June 16 2011 22:28 GMT
#4056
gogo skype duran parsi
Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
toadyy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom179 Posts
June 16 2011 22:31 GMT
#4057
On June 17 2011 06:53 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 16:07 Chicane wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:19 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:12 Redox wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:08 SSLPrism wrote:
On June 16 2011 08:18 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 07:46 Bagi wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:17 Quintum_ wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:10 Mailing wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:09 haxard wrote:
they rely on idra so much lol


So?

That's what being an Ace means.

Kiwikaki was the IdrA of ROOT for example

A lot of teams have one


Ya i would have to say most foreign teams have only one S class player, with the rest being a bunch of A and B teamers. Not enough foreign talent at the very top of the pool.

Not really, EG and ROOT seem to be the biggest offenders.

I think teams like Dignitas, Mouz and Empire (why aren't they in this league?!) have solid overall lineups.


Dignitas has naniwa and select

The other teams are European and have a bigger pool of talent too choose from.

If all the top Na teams put out their best players on one Team it would be basically Empire's level >_>

I wish we had more top players


Disagree completely, empire is a solid team, but not at the level of say dignitas & mouz, the top NA players would easily be a better team than them with players like Major, Idra & Kiwikaki.

Lol I bet even the Dignitas and mouz players would disagree with you.
Everyone in europe has huge respect for the Empire guys. Yeah they are not at the big tournaments for various reasons, but that does not make them any less strong.

On June 16 2011 11:11 halvorg wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:10 Redox wrote:
Can anyone recap the results so far?


Diestar 2-0 minigun
Stephano 2-0 cruncher

Thanks man.



Yes Empire is good, but I think Major, Idra, Kiwi, HuK, Select, etc>>Happy, Nerchio, Kas, etc. Don't see how you could argue this


Is this post serious? First of all, you list a bunch of players from different teams, and say that those players are better... we are talking about teams here. Saying that HasuObs, Stephano and Select (just as an example, as all of them are in this league) are better than Happy Nerchio and Kas isn't even relevant... Just listing solid players from many team says nothing about a single team. What point were you even trying to get at?

Also, "Don't see how you could argue this." Seriously? How is it possible to be that sure that they are better, especially since I am VERY sure you haven't seen much of Nerchio or Happy recently.

...?



Um I was referring to a post where someone said that Empire>>the top players in NA. Try to read what I'm quoting before you jump off on my post.
And I'm not arguing Major>Happy, Select>Kas, Idra>Nerchio etc. I was arguing that the top NA players>the team of Empire. If you seriously think that Kas/Happy/Nerchio is enough to put Empire over the pinnacle of NA then you need to watch more NA play. Yes Europe is better, but not that better.

Try to read the whole argument before you attack one post

Well if we are talking about top NA players that are actually performing well recently then yes almost certainly Empire>Top NA players. Name me a NA player that is currently playing up to and beyond peoples expectations. The only NA player that has impressed me this month is dde.
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
June 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#4058
On June 17 2011 07:31 toadyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2011 06:53 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 16 2011 16:07 Chicane wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:19 1Eris1 wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:12 Redox wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:08 SSLPrism wrote:
On June 16 2011 08:18 Mailing wrote:
On June 16 2011 07:46 Bagi wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:17 Quintum_ wrote:
On June 15 2011 13:10 Mailing wrote:
[quote]

So?

That's what being an Ace means.

Kiwikaki was the IdrA of ROOT for example

A lot of teams have one


Ya i would have to say most foreign teams have only one S class player, with the rest being a bunch of A and B teamers. Not enough foreign talent at the very top of the pool.

Not really, EG and ROOT seem to be the biggest offenders.

I think teams like Dignitas, Mouz and Empire (why aren't they in this league?!) have solid overall lineups.


Dignitas has naniwa and select

The other teams are European and have a bigger pool of talent too choose from.

If all the top Na teams put out their best players on one Team it would be basically Empire's level >_>

I wish we had more top players


Disagree completely, empire is a solid team, but not at the level of say dignitas & mouz, the top NA players would easily be a better team than them with players like Major, Idra & Kiwikaki.

Lol I bet even the Dignitas and mouz players would disagree with you.
Everyone in europe has huge respect for the Empire guys. Yeah they are not at the big tournaments for various reasons, but that does not make them any less strong.

On June 16 2011 11:11 halvorg wrote:
On June 16 2011 11:10 Redox wrote:
Can anyone recap the results so far?


Diestar 2-0 minigun
Stephano 2-0 cruncher

Thanks man.



Yes Empire is good, but I think Major, Idra, Kiwi, HuK, Select, etc>>Happy, Nerchio, Kas, etc. Don't see how you could argue this


Is this post serious? First of all, you list a bunch of players from different teams, and say that those players are better... we are talking about teams here. Saying that HasuObs, Stephano and Select (just as an example, as all of them are in this league) are better than Happy Nerchio and Kas isn't even relevant... Just listing solid players from many team says nothing about a single team. What point were you even trying to get at?

Also, "Don't see how you could argue this." Seriously? How is it possible to be that sure that they are better, especially since I am VERY sure you haven't seen much of Nerchio or Happy recently.

...?



Um I was referring to a post where someone said that Empire>>the top players in NA. Try to read what I'm quoting before you jump off on my post.
And I'm not arguing Major>Happy, Select>Kas, Idra>Nerchio etc. I was arguing that the top NA players>the team of Empire. If you seriously think that Kas/Happy/Nerchio is enough to put Empire over the pinnacle of NA then you need to watch more NA play. Yes Europe is better, but not that better.

Try to read the whole argument before you attack one post

Well if we are talking about top NA players that are actually performing well recently then yes almost certainly Empire>Top NA players. Name me a NA player that is currently playing up to and beyond peoples expectations. The only NA player that has impressed me this month is dde.


I agree DDE is very good atm, he has impressed me alot.
Alexl
Profile Joined January 2011
288 Posts
June 16 2011 22:55 GMT
#4059
On June 16 2011 18:42 Steelavocado wrote:
Holy guacamole (see what I did there)! Gratz MILL for taking down the new COL lineup. Hopefully stephano can participate in more and more tournys, however, the rate he wins tournies/improves depends on his school effort?(dont quote me on that).
Either way, GG MILL!
BTW COL, Great new lineup, better luck next week!

He's in med school (not as hardcore as US med school but still) so he obviously has less to devote to the game during exam periods such as now (which is why he had to skip dreamhack because he has exams on the following monday). The period where he won 3 or 4 go4sc2s ect was when he didn't havemuch going on and put his studies aside a bit.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
June 16 2011 23:04 GMT
#4060
On June 12 2011 13:51 Colbi wrote:
Updated OP with the results from Millenium vs. MYM and Dignitas vs. ROOT. I apologize for the delay.

Disappointing that the new 2v2 specialists from MYM immediately lose their first game. >_>
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