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Update: Players who declined and up-to-date point rankings, Players who are tied in ranks outside of Top 64 will have Wild Cards to join based on this:
+ Show Spoiler +다만, 차기 순위자가 동점자일 경우는 개막전에 와일드 카드전으로 순위 결정전을 치르겠습니다. From this page
The announcement for the GOMTV Super Tournament taken from the gomtv.net site with some alterations:
"Dear GOMTV.net users: What could be more super than a GOMTV Super Tournament? Do you remember the 3 seasons of GSL Open Season from last year? Fierce battles erupted here and there thanks to the Ro64 tournament format following the open preliminaries. Super Tournament will bring you that exciting moment once again plus more. Code S and Code A players will meet on the battleground and not at the comfort of Up and Down matches. Just like our World Championship, Super Tournament is a regular tournament featured as a part of our 2011 GSL Tour. Date : May 23rd ~ June 18th, 2011Location : South Korea (Mok-dong GOMTV Studio / Venue for the Final TBA) Qualification : Top 64 players in terms of 2011 Regular Season Point Ranking Prize Pool:![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/28129.png) + Show Spoiler +The Grand Champion wins 93 000 USD by the current exchange! (Google exhange rate calculator on 5/3) ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/28128.jpg) Format:Ro64 Full Tournament Ro64 ~ 16 : Bo3 Ro8 ~ Semi : Bo5 Final : Bo7 Thanks!"
Original Link
GSL League Rankings for Top 62 (Taken straight from the 2Ji_Hwan's GSL link to a recent update for more information on how the rankings work, please consult the Liquipedia II GSL Ranking page):
Ranks 1-33:
+ Show Spoiler +Thanks to Shinshady and salle for PMing me on how I could post ranks!! ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.com/upload/1304/9207/7622/555419.jpg)
Do work, MVP. Jeez.
제넥스 = ZeNEX
스타테일 = Startale
슬에이어스 = SlayerS
Ranks 34-68:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.com/upload/1304/9208/6075/337160.jpg) Man, there are a lot of SlayerS here! Emperor protects, indeed.
제넥스 = ZeNEX
스타테일 = Startale
슬에이어스 = SlayerS
Ranks 70-76:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.com/upload/1304/9208/7288/725014.jpg) Gogo Haypro! Hope you get in!
제넥스 = ZeNEX
스타테일 = Startale
슬에이어스 = SlayerS
없음 = No team
기니피그 - Guineapig
길자 - Gilja (Not sure what this is  )
It will be incredibly exciting to watch the Code S and Code a player match ups and all of the inevitable upsets! Memories harken back to the era of impossible Zerg Grand Finalists:  FruitDealer from GSL Open Season 1 and NesTea from GSL Open Season 2. However, let's not forget the mastery of  oGsMC shown in the Season 3 Grand Finals!!
Foreigners, fighting!
Possible Further Updates to come:
+ Show Spoiler +- Further formatting
- perhaps banners
- A TLPDed list of Players instead of the current images
- A Foreigner Ranking spotlight
- PM me if I have neglected anything!
Major Edits:
+ Show Spoiler +[list] [*] [5/3]Specified that calculated Grand Prize is the [i]total winnings from that tournament [*] [5/3]Corrected Grand Finalist winnings error (believed the Finalist would accumulate winnings equal to each round to total that incredible sum .) [*] [5/4] Added GSL Rank Listing Tables and smaller formatting [*] [5/4] Replaced with 2Ji_Hwan's charts, Team name translations [*] [5/9]Updated Charts with new Rankings, Foreigner declines and Wildcard rule. Taken from Korean site
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The Grand Champion wins 137 640 USD by the current exchange! (Google exhange rate calculator)
Its actually less, not the total 148million :p 100million for the winnner which is less then 100,000 USD~
Been waiting for this, really want to see some Code A players vs Code S and see who comes out on top because Code A is quite powerful too!
+ Show Spoiler +Winner: 100,000,000 KRW (aprox. $85,700 USD)
Runner-Up: 30,000,000 KRW (aprox. $25,700 USD)
Semi-Finalists: 10,000,000 KRW (aprox. $8,600 USD)
Quarter-Finalists: 4,000,000 KRW (aprox. $3,400 USD)
Round of 16: 2,000,000 KRW (aprox. $1710 USD)
Round of 32: 500,000 KRW (aprox. $430 USD)
Round of 64: 300,000 KRW (aprox. $260 USD)
^ Prize money looks same as previous open seasons for the top end and slightly more for the bottom end. (currency translations are probably incorrect I didn't bother readjusting them but should give a rough estimate anyway).
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Holy moly 137k dollars !
Also which month is this tourny ? And as i understand its for all Code A and Code S players so Jinro and HuK will definetly be in this i hope
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That's a lot of cash man
This tourney will determine material 
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holy shit that's alot of money !
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Sounds like it's gonna be amazing! Can't wait!
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49507 Posts
its the same amount of cash from the open seasons.
oh wait,its more.
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So it's the top 32 Code S and the top 32 Code A? Niceeeeeeee
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I hope this will show which of the code S players really are Code S material.
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United States1692 Posts
Google says:
1e+08 South Korean won = 93049.2000 US dollars
Did you convert the total prize pool instead of first?
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On May 04 2011 18:18 SweetAs wrote:
So it's the top 32 Code S and the top 32 Code A? Niceeeeeeee
Not sure about that, they said the top 64 ranked players in terms of the previous GSLs, so I thikn there may be some that are not currently in any code but will make it in (eg. leenock? etc..)
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The sad thing about the prize money is, just for being in the ro32 on this tournament you early 2/3 of the amount the Code A champion recieves :< And the same amount for 2nd place Code A
On May 04 2011 18:21 dc302 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 18:18 SweetAs wrote:
So it's the top 32 Code S and the top 32 Code A? Niceeeeeeee Not sure about that, they said the top 64 ranked players in terms of the previous GSLs, so I thikn there may be some that are not currently in any code but will make it in (eg. leenock? etc..)
Ya it's based off of points, dunno if it's been posted by GOM anywhere. So even though leenock is in Code B he's been in Code S and code A for a while and probably has enough points to qualify for this.
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Its "only" 93k US dollars.
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huge torney.... I think IdrA should still get the invite imo....
GJ GOM. You are awesome! *tear*
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hmmmm GSL not having matches on MLG days. On twitter i saw the sundance said he was working something out with GSL for player invitations. Maybe we might see koreans at Columbus?
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Germany1287 Posts
ZeNEXLiveForever joined the army, so his #45 rank will open up one more spot, which puts in MVPviOlet and MVPKeen with 130 points each
Idra is still ranked #31, so depending on his participation we will see a tiebreaker for the last spot
Source: Liquipedia (Bomber and Ryung are listed at 130 points, too, but they accumulated more points due to their advancement to CodeA Ro4 this season already)
Edit: Nevermind, I forgot that Keen is also in Ro4 this season, so only viOlet's participation depends on Idra's decision to travel to Korea once again
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Would be cool if IdrA went out for the tourament but I doubt that he would :<
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On May 04 2011 18:32 SenorChang wrote:
Would be cool if IdrA went out for the tourament but I doubt that he would :<
Yeah it would be. The potential total is obviously way more than the mlg event that occurs in the middle of it. But in order to at least match the first place money from mlg you would have to make ro4 in this gsl tournament. So yeah, would doubt seeing Idra there.
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Awesome! This is a great system and an AWESOME way to see players we haven't seen in a while again (Maka and Moon come to mind)
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awesome that they a) made room for MLG and b) even included MLG into their schedule
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On May 04 2011 18:48 Keeler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 18:32 SenorChang wrote:
Would be cool if IdrA went out for the tourament but I doubt that he would :< Yeah it would be. The potential total is obviously way more than the mlg event that occurs in the middle of it. But in order to at least match the first place money from mlg you would have to make ro4 in this gsl tournament. So yeah, would doubt seeing Idra there.
From a "strictly business" point of view, you are certainly right. But it would be sad to by-pass the most competitive tournament in the world, and one that's going to be really significant to the fans, for the easy money of a NA based tournaments assorted with a bunch of good to very good European players. That's the difference between sportive competition and stealing candy from babies.
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On May 04 2011 18:48 Keeler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 18:32 SenorChang wrote:
Would be cool if IdrA went out for the tourament but I doubt that he would :< Yeah it would be. The potential total is obviously way more than the mlg event that occurs in the middle of it. But in order to at least match the first place money from mlg you would have to make ro4 in this gsl tournament. So yeah, would doubt seeing Idra there.
Because he's a shoe-in to win this MLG just like how he won the last MLG.
Edit: But then again he never got ro4 in GSL either. Self-owned.
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I am.. stunned.. that's sick!:D damn..
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would be nice if idra goes back for this
and this make the code a games super important as bomber and ryung is just outside the cut off. although with some absence in top 60, they would have made it anyway.
wondering if the players are seeded based on their points.
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Everyone wondering about IdrA, what about Ret =P?
I certainly hope he goes back as well.
If I've missed something and he's already announced it, don't hate ;>.
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List of the current top 64?
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I am STOKED for the super tournament. I wonder if the brackets will be based on GSL points. Can you imagine bomber being matchup up against a code S gosu? Oh the possibilities make me all giddy inside
On May 04 2011 20:52 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
List of the current top 64?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/Rankings
Fortunately Bomber and Keen have enough points to make it through, but unfortunately it seems Ryung is 65th and just barely on the outside looking in. As someone mentioned before LiveForever might be in the army so that might free up a spot. If Idra decides not to participate then violet gets in as well.
edit: ninja'd
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When they say "Top 64 players in terms of 2011 Regular Season Point Ranking", does that mean the first 3 GSL seasons from 2010 don't count?
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IPL/NASL/EG teamleague, and even DH if you make it to Super Tournament finals, conflict with this, so I'd say there's no chance whatsoever of Idra attending, even if he could technically play with his NASL/IPL games from Korea.
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I'd like to note, IdrA still qualifies.(31st place)
Will he play in it, it the question.
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On May 04 2011 21:01 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
When they say "Top 64 players in terms of 2011 Regular Season Point Ranking", does that mean the first 3 GSL seasons from 2010 don't count?
nope
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On May 04 2011 20:59 red4ce wrote:I am STOKED for the super tournament. I wonder if the brackets will be based on GSL points. Can you imagine bomber being matchup up against a code S gosu? Oh the possibilities make me all giddy inside http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/RankingsFortunately Bomber and Keen have enough points to make it through, but unfortunately it seems Ryung is 65th and just barely on the outside looking in. As someone mentioned before LiveForever might be in the army so that might free up a spot. If Idra decides not to participate then violet gets in as well. edit: ninja'd
I believe that GSL WC is counted the same as GSLs, with the exception that the WC points is not valid next year while the points from GSLs are accumulative from year to year.
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Assuming the list on liquipedia is up to date as of today (though I don't see the rankings changing anymore that could affect up to top64), we can assume only 3 or 4 players not participating:
Ret, Idra, and LiveForever. Might think Loner could be back in China, and I'm not sure if he attempted to qualify for the latest code A. Loner may have left, but I guess going back to Korea wouldn't seem unlikely for him.
Now, assuming at least those 3 are not going to show up then Keen, Violet, and a 3-way tie with Min, Creator and Nuts are up for the last 3 spots.
If Idra and Ret decide to participate, then only Keen gets bumped up.
Edit: Oh wait, no. If Violet and Keen make it through the Up and Downs they can knock someone out. Ryung is not safe if one of them advances and he does not.
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On May 04 2011 21:03 Seam wrote:
I'd like to note, IdrA still qualifies.(31st place)
Will he play in it, it the question.
Edit: nvm rereading is a good skill toi have
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On May 04 2011 18:23 Grummler wrote:
Its "only" 93k US dollars.
Yeah I'll take that money anyday for playing a tournament lol
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Man, this tournament is going to be absolutely amazing! Cant wait for it :D
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According to the liquipedia list,  MVP_Keen qualifies as well!
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Wow, that's a lot of money. I'm excited to see the Code S and A players duke it out. I like how GOM is mixing in different tournaments like the GSTL, World Championship and now the Super Tournament. Don't get me wrong, I like the GSL seasonal tournaments, but a little variety helps, too.
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The group drawing ceremony (if there is one) will be sick and full of suspense :D
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Idra's looking really unstoppable lately but i dont think he can take the huge amount of talent/skill in this tourney with his mentality atm.
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On May 04 2011 23:21 MrCon wrote:
The group drawing ceremony (if there is one) will be sick and full of suspense :D
Dont think this will be group based, since it says it was like the previous seasons before gsl code S, hence why it says ro64 is bo3 format.
And to be honest this format is just so much more awesome because every single match there's the impending doom of elimination hanging over the players heads, makes it so much more awesome to watch.
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Calgary25963 Posts
What's wrong with the normal GSL format? I'm barely able to follow the format for moving between Code S and Code A, and now there's this other one-off tournament that combines them together? I just don't get why they're doing this. Is this going to replace the entire GSL format or is it a one-time thing?
It will be cool to see some matchups of the greats who are in Code A.
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I am so excited....cannot wait..
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Would be nice for Idra to fly to Korea for this, would also be nice for some of the Koreans coming to MLG. :D
On May 05 2011 00:32 Chill wrote:
What's wrong with the normal GSL format? I'm barely able to follow the format for moving between Code S and Code A, and now there's this other one-off tournament that combines them together? I just don't get why they're doing this. Is this going to replace the entire GSL format or is it a one-time thing?
It will be cool to see some matchups of the greats who are in Code A.
One time thing (well, once per year).
The obvious answer is that they're trying to introduce some variety to the GSL season. Same reason they organised the GSTL and the GSWC. The GSL Super Tournament and The Blizzard Cup later this year round off the usual GSL format.
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On May 05 2011 00:32 Chill wrote:
What's wrong with the normal GSL format? I'm barely able to follow the format for moving between Code S and Code A, and now there's this other one-off tournament that combines them together? I just don't get why they're doing this. Is this going to replace the entire GSL format or is it a one-time thing?
It will be cool to see some matchups of the greats who are in Code A.
I think it's just a one time (once a year?) thing. It's basically the old GSL open format but instead of a huge qaulifying tournament the top 64 of the gsl rankings are invited. Correct me if I'm wrong!
I would think the reasoning is to give the Code A players a shot at some big money without having to get through the fairly brutal path into code S, thats just my assumptions though.
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
Very nice announcement OP
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This is goint to be absolutely.. *shades*.. super!!
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On May 05 2011 00:38 pieman819 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 00:32 Chill wrote:
What's wrong with the normal GSL format? I'm barely able to follow the format for moving between Code S and Code A, and now there's this other one-off tournament that combines them together? I just don't get why they're doing this. Is this going to replace the entire GSL format or is it a one-time thing?
It will be cool to see some matchups of the greats who are in Code A. I think it's just a one time (once a year?) thing. It's basically the old GSL open format but instead of a huge qaulifying tournament the top 64 of the gsl rankings are invited. Correct me if I'm wrong! I would think the reasoning is to give the Code A players a shot at some big money without having to get through the fairly brutal path into code S, thats just my assumptions though.
The always put a special event in between GSL Code A/S seasons, whether it is teamleagues or this thing or the blizz event later, it's just something nice to do to break from non-stop code a/s.
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I guess Tasteless wanted to announce this on SOTG but had to keep it shut until GOM officially announced it
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Omg thats huge, I take it Day9 aint doing MLG then?
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the smell of cheese is going to be so strong in the early rounds
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Wouldn't be surprising, Day9 loved the Korean scene in BW.
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On May 05 2011 01:00 Benjef wrote:Omg thats huge, I take it Day9 aint doing MLG then?
IDK about that, could be something else.
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Day mentioned he was going to Korea last night on StoG... I actually would assume this might be true.
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On May 05 2011 01:00 Benjef wrote:Omg thats huge, I take it Day9 aint doing MLG then?
I don't think the 2011 MLG Columbus casters have been officially been announced, but the GTSL tournament does have an explicit break for MLG.
Regardless, nothing says if Day9 casts the GTSL that he has to cast all of it, so he just could fly back to the USA after casting the first 2 weeks.
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Does winning or going far in this tournament reward code S to code A players?
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And god damn this is during my Exam period in the UK A levels  . Guess I will be watching very very little of it .
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If day9 cast this I will problaby go to corea just to watch this live.
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On May 05 2011 00:32 Chill wrote:
What's wrong with the normal GSL format? I'm barely able to follow the format for moving between Code S and Code A, and now there's this other one-off tournament that combines them together? I just don't get why they're doing this. Is this going to replace the entire GSL format or is it a one-time thing?
It will be cool to see some matchups of the greats who are in Code A.
This is announced from the beginning, I can't find it but there's a yearly GSL schedule, which include some special events like this one or the world championship.
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Ha, found it
2011 GSL Tour Views: 13,580| Posted Date: 2010.12.23 14:47:31
2011 GSL Tour
- Code S : 32 players ranked from 1~32
- Code A : 32 players ranked from 33~64(4 recommended foreign players will be seeded, mainly winners of other worldwide tournaments)
- Code B : 172 players that are not in Code S or Code A and are the top ranked players from the Diamond League in the Korean Battle.net server. (Foreign players can always compete in the Preliminary Rounds for Code A disregarding their ladder point.)
- Interaction between Code A and Code S : Up and Down matches
- Interaction between Code B and Code A : Preliminary Rounds for Code A
Broadcast
- Code S : Starts 8pm KST (GMT+9)
- Code A : Starts 6pm KST (GMT+9)
Point Ranking
- Every players start at 0 from the start of 2011.
- Points are given to players after each tournament depending on each players results
- Points are accumulated as the years go by, but for Blizzard Cup and World Championship only the points from that year are applied.
Leagues of 2011 GSL Tour
1. GSL Sponsorship League
2. Super Tournament
3. World Championship
4. GSTL
5. Blizzard Cup
1) GSL Sponsorship League (7 tournaments a year)
Code S
- Ro32 ~ Ro16 Group League
- The 32 highest ranking players of 2010 will be divided into 8 groups of 4.
- The players in each group will play one another and the 1st and 2nd place players will advance to Ro16. (The 3rd and 4th player will have to play in the ‘Up and Down Match’.)
- Ro8 ~ Finals Tournament (Ro8 : best of 3, Semifinals : best of 5, Finals : best of 7)
- One group will play each day.
- Players who advance to Ro16 will remain in Code S.
- The 16 players who fail to qualify for Ro16 will have to play in the ‘Up and Down Match’
- The group will be determined by a public lottery which will be held on the following Monday of each GSL Sponsorship League.
Code A
- Ro32 Full Tournament
- Ro32 ~ Semifinals : Best of 3, Finals : Best of 7
- 4 recommended foreign players will be seeded(Mainly winners of other worldwide tournaments)
- If there are no recommended foreign players, more players will be brought in through the Preliminary Rounds for Code A.
- Players who advance to Ro8 will play in the ‘Up and Down Match’
- Players who advance to Ro16 will remain in Code A.
- Players who fail to qualify for Ro16 will have to go through the Preliminary Rounds for Code A.
Code B
- 172 players that are not in Code S or Code A and are the top ranked players from the Diamond League in the Korean Battle.net server. (Foreign players can always compete in the Preliminary Rounds for Code A disregarding their ladder point.)
- They will play in the Preliminary rounds for Code A.
Up and Down Matches
- Bottom 16 players from Code S and the top 8 players from Code A will compete.
- There will be 8 groups of 3. (2 Code S players and 1 Code A players per group.)
- Champion and the runner-up of the Code A tournament gets to pick their group, the rest of the groups will be randomly selected.
- The 3rd place player from the group league of Code S will play the Code A player in a best of 3 matches. (Winner will be in Code S.)
- The loser of the match will play the 4th place player from the group league of Code S in a best of 3 matches.
- So if you are the 4th place player of each group from the group league of Code S, you only have one opportunity to remain in Code S.
Preliminary Rounds for Code A
- Bottom 16 players of Code A, 172 players from Code B and 4 recommended foreign players will compete. (192 players tournament)
- The top 12 players from the tournament will compete in the following Code A tournament.
- Registration for the Preliminary Rounds for Code A will start a week before each Preliminary Rounds.
2) Super Tournament (1 tournament a year in May)
- Ro64 Full Tournament (Code S 32 + Code A 32)
- Only tournament of the year when all the players from Code S and A compete against each other.
- Same format as the GSL Pre-Season Tournaments.
- Ro64 ~ Ro16 : best of 3, Ro8 ~ Semifinals : best of 5, Finals : best of 7
3) World Championship (1 tournament a year in September) – Invitational
- We invite the best players from all around the world to compete in a Ro16 tournament.
- 2 players from North America, 2 from Europe, 2 from Taiwan, 2 from China and 8 players from Korea will compete.
- The Korean players will be the top 8 players of the point ranking accumulated up to that month.
4) GSTL (Global SC II Team League) – 6 tournaments a year
- 8 teams will participate in the tournament
- 8 teams will be selected by the added points of their team members in Code S and Code A.
- Two teams will match up and two players from each team will play against each other one by one and the winner will continue playing while the loser gets replaced.
- Ro8 ~ Semifinals : first to reach 3 wins, Finals, first to reach 5 wins
5) Blizzard Cup (1 tournament a year in December) – Invitational
- The top 10 players of the point ranking of that year will play in a play-off type tournament.
- Day 1 : 10th place vs. 9th place, Day 2 : Winner vs. 8th place and so on.
- There will be 1 best of 7 matches a day
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors1/news/52018
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On May 04 2011 18:26 SushilS wrote:
huge torney.... I think IdrA should still get the invite imo....
GJ GOM. You are awesome! *tear*
Its only for CODE A + CODE S players. NO INVITES.
( 64 players = 32 code A + 32 Code S )
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omg this is crazy. so much mooolah
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On May 05 2011 01:59 FXOpen wrote:
moonglade was invited
Wasn't it cuz he was in Code A?
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This tournament is going to be awesome. Basically the one of the most competitive sc2 tournaments ever.
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On May 05 2011 01:51 DirtYLOu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 18:26 SushilS wrote:
huge torney.... I think IdrA should still get the invite imo....
GJ GOM. You are awesome! *tear* Its only for CODE A + CODE S players. NO INVITES.( 64 players = 32 code A + 32 Code S )
Please read the thread before you reply. It's not the 64 players currently in Code S & A. The OP says: "Top 64 players in terms of 2011 Regular Season Point Ranking". Not reading the whole thread is one thing, but not even reading the OP...
(And idra is one of those. So it's up to him if he decides to compete.)
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Whoa that is very cool! I actually thought at first that it was completely open like the first 3 seasons (which I would have actually preferred, because then players from around the world could fly in for this specific event and have a chance to win the GSL without Code A obstacles) but this is still really awesome.
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I think the best way to think about this is like the FA Cup or Copa Del Rey; one off tourneys that have little to no bearing with the main league tournament.
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Oh damn Alsmost we got to see BitByBit.Prime, ranked 70 :D.
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On May 04 2011 20:49 Fyzar wrote:
Everyone wondering about IdrA, what about Ret =P?
I certainly hope he goes back as well.
If I've missed something and he's already announced it, don't hate ;>.
Ret is at 61st without an update on the rankings, therefore he would be ~65th as Ryung, Bomber, Keen, and Violet all should be moving up in the rankings to surpass.
It's funny Jookto and Legalmind are going to be in it though.. lol
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Im about 90% Sure IdrA cannot play in this because:
EG Masters cup: "The season will last from May 1st - June 17th"
GS: Super Tournament: "May 23rd ~ June 18th, 2011"
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The prize structure is ridiculously top-heavy. I really don't think that having 1st place > 3x 2nd place is that good. Still should be a sick tournament, and love the MLG considerations.
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The prize distribution is so bad, one guy take 50% of the total cash. The runner up should get 50% of the winner's prize (60k won) and increase the others.
The current system makes 1% of the players very well off, while the others get really low amount and barely gets motivated to continue playing.
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On May 05 2011 01:41 Kznn wrote:
If day9 cast this I will problaby go to corea just to watch this live.
Actually, you'll have to go to Korea to watch it live 
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On May 05 2011 02:48 Drey wrote:
The prize distribution is so bad, one guy take 50% of the total cash. The runner up should get 50% of the winner's prize (60k won) and increase the others.
The current system makes 1% of the players very well off, while the others get really low amount and barely gets motivated to continue playing.
Its like this for every GSL, the open seasons and even Code S proportionally.
Doesn't mean anyone has stopped playing. If anything, they'd play harder to place higher, versus being content getting a ro8/ro16 each time and scooping in more money than they actually deserve. The top heavy end motivates these players to strive to win each time, rather than simply being satifiied with an average placing.
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$ 93,000 O.O wow, this is just amazing!! I hope we get an MC vs MVP finals!!
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On May 05 2011 02:48 Drey wrote:
The prize distribution is so bad, one guy take 50% of the total cash. The runner up should get 50% of the winner's prize (60k won) and increase the others.
The current system makes 1% of the players very well off, while the others get really low amount and barely gets motivated to continue playing.
Thats good actually. Why? Because the winner is fairly rewarded. There are so many touraments around the world that has almost the same amount of money for all first three places which is funny.
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I'm also going to have the agree that the prize distribution is pretty terrible for most SC2 tournaments... with most having 50 or 100% of the prize pool going to the winner, which is way too top heavy. I think IPL had it right with 2500/1500/1000 for top three. Hopefully their $50K tournament doesn't award $25K for first.
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On May 04 2011 20:49 Fyzar wrote:
Everyone wondering about IdrA, what about Ret =P?
I certainly hope he goes back as well.
If I've missed something and he's already announced it, don't hate ;>.
Ret doesn't have the points to qualify.
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This is going to be an awesome tournament.
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That's a lot of money - can't wait for player list!
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another huge GSL tournament!
GSL remains the leader in the sc2 scene
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Can they atleast think of a better name, Super Tournament is really lame lol
This is awesome tho since a GSL is kinda diminishing in the foreign view because of all the big tournaments here
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Holy guacamole. that's ridiculous. I hope GOMTV finds success with this.
It would be awesome for idra to go out though lol.
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damn. Either Ryung or Keen wont be in it.
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So this is what Tasteless didn't want to leak last night at SotG. Quite excited for this!
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Do they get all this money mainly from sponsorships?? Wow!
Because I don't see the season ticks being that much of revenue..
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So cool, i actually miss the old style 64 straight up style tournament. Just feel like it allows better players to go through.
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This tourny looks awesome but I wish the prize pool wasn't so top heavy. Awesome for the guy who wins but makes it hard for any of the other pro gamers to actually make a living. Not good for the esports scene IMO
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So this is going to be super exciting. I cannot wait to see the crazy matches, and there are bound to be so many of them! :D
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I think Idra would stand to benefit in participating in this Super tournament just to show the Koreans what they are missing and prove a point that he made the right choice in leaving, ie he doesn't need them but in actual fact they need him (to bring in the international viewership).
Especially now that he has overcome his weakness, ie ZvP, I think he can win this or show that foreigners are competing at a high level overseas cos lets face it the foreigners left in GSL are in a slump of late. It would also make a good storyline, The Return of the Gracken! I think it will be one of the main storylines in Korea if Idra were to go back and participate.
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Watch it be another MVP v MKP finals.
MKP has been improving vs MVP. He went from a 4-0 to a 4-2 loss. Maybe 4-3 next time?
(or gasp: 3-4 with the victory to MKP!!!)
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re: chill
my guess is that they have lost some viewers recently and want to go back to the older format. maybe i'm wrong. maybe they are just experimenting?
i think they are trying to find the right formula to get the most viewers
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I'm a bit confused about this tournament. Is it the top 64 players by GSL points? Or is it just Code S+Code A at that particular month?
It would be incredible if Day9 ends up casting it. He mentioned on SotG last night that he is going to visit his brother in korea in a couple weeks. JP also asked tasteless if he wanted to make an announcement about GSL, but tasteless said he had to wait until GSL announces it. Rumor rumor rumor...
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Koreans at Columbus yes please!
whoops never mind, I misunderstood the format
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IdrA missed the last two GSL's... wonder if there's any possiblity of him drawing an invite?
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This will be amazing once they rename it from the Super Tournament haha
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On May 05 2011 10:19 Datum wrote:
IdrA missed the last two GSL's... wonder if there's any possiblity of him drawing an invite?
he's ~30th on points
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I normally don't have a problem with lopsided prize distributions since prize money is not the primary source of income for most progamers, but since many Korean pros don't have incomes and don't stream/coach I do wish first place didn't pay out so much.
On May 05 2011 09:59 price wrote:
re: chill
my guess is that they have lost some viewers recently and want to go back to the older format. maybe i'm wrong. maybe they are just experimenting?
i think they are trying to find the right formula to get the most viewers
The super tournament was planned way back at the beginning of the year, before NASL, IPL, etc were even announced. It's just a once per year thing for the sake of adding variety. This announcement is only specifying the details and schedule.
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On May 05 2011 10:19 Datum wrote:
IdrA missed the last two GSL's... wonder if there's any possiblity of him drawing an invite?
I don't think it matters, he did well enough in the GSLs that he participated in that he has enough points to play. It just comes down to whether or not he wants to go to Korea for like a month.
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On May 04 2011 18:26 doihy wrote:
hmmmm GSL not having matches on MLG days. On twitter i saw the sundance said he was working something out with GSL for player invitations. Maybe we might see koreans at Columbus?
I'm going to MLG Columbus, and this would make my life
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Imo, Idra returns to the GSL and rofl stomps everyone.
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This is going to be exciting. i love the GSL.
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On May 05 2011 12:07 SweetAs wrote:
Imo, Idra returns to the GSL and rofl stomps everyone.
I can just picture idra reading this thread and laughing because he's the only one who knows if he will go back for the super tournament. (which I think he should personally)
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On May 05 2011 12:01 Authweight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2011 18:26 doihy wrote:
hmmmm GSL not having matches on MLG days. On twitter i saw the sundance said he was working something out with GSL for player invitations. Maybe we might see koreans at Columbus? I'm going to MLG Columbus, and this would make my life
Also Sundance already gave away the secret about Tastosis being at Columbus.....
I'm envious of everyone going to Columbus
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Korea might only have the gsl for their proscene but my gosh their tourneys pay well and come often.
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Didn't IdrA say he wanted to go back to Korea in that steelseries article? I could be wrong??? :/
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glad they scheduled around MLG =D
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This will be epic!
Also, yeah very awesome they made room for MLG :D
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Nice. Code A in fact looks stronger than Code S atm. This tournament, with its grand prize pool, should be very interesting indeed.
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On May 05 2011 12:07 SweetAs wrote:
Imo, Idra returns to the GSL and rofl stomps everyone.
Because he was just owning so much face in those first 4 tries
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That is how you do it with the prize pool! That's the stuff. Can't wait to see the fight for those millions.
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On May 05 2011 11:22 proxY_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:19 Datum wrote:
IdrA missed the last two GSL's... wonder if there's any possiblity of him drawing an invite? I don't think it matters, he did well enough in the GSLs that he participated in that he has enough points to play. It just comes down to whether or not he wants to go to Korea for like a month.
hopefully GOM accommodates his play schedule this time around and let him play on the initial or final day of the RO32, so that he could still win MLG.
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On May 05 2011 02:23 OOAK wrote:
Oh damn Alsmost we got to see BitByBit.Prime, ranked 70 :D. If he made a San-like return and dominated everyone it would be the greatest thing ever.
Super pumped about this. I think I've read everything but have they mentioned anything about whether or not there are tickets, and prices if there are? I'll pay for it either way. I like this style of tournament better anyway, it feels way more intense than two smaller tournaments.
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Somebody get Ret on the phone.
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On May 05 2011 14:24 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 11:22 proxY_ wrote:On May 05 2011 10:19 Datum wrote:
IdrA missed the last two GSL's... wonder if there's any possiblity of him drawing an invite? I don't think it matters, he did well enough in the GSLs that he participated in that he has enough points to play. It just comes down to whether or not he wants to go to Korea for like a month. hopefully GOM accommodates his play schedule this time around and let him play on the initial or final day of the RO32, so that he could still win MLG.
gomsupertournament> mlg. it has like 20x the prize money. why would he miss that for mlg
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This is so cool! GomTV just showing up every other tournament out there with the variety of their tournaments. :D I cannot waittttttttttttt.
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On May 05 2011 14:32 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 14:24 eggs wrote:On May 05 2011 11:22 proxY_ wrote:On May 05 2011 10:19 Datum wrote:
IdrA missed the last two GSL's... wonder if there's any possiblity of him drawing an invite? I don't think it matters, he did well enough in the GSLs that he participated in that he has enough points to play. It just comes down to whether or not he wants to go to Korea for like a month. hopefully GOM accommodates his play schedule this time around and let him play on the initial or final day of the RO32, so that he could still win MLG. gomsupertournament> mlg. it has like 20x the prize money. why would he miss that for mlg
last time GSL and MLG conflicted, IdrA tried to get his play schedule for GSL changed ahead of time so he could do both, but they didn't do it.
MLG is pretty important for NA SC2, and EG. it would be a shame if he couldn't do both (assuming he wants to do both).
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On May 05 2011 14:41 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 14:32 Looky wrote:On May 05 2011 14:24 eggs wrote:On May 05 2011 11:22 proxY_ wrote:On May 05 2011 10:19 Datum wrote:
IdrA missed the last two GSL's... wonder if there's any possiblity of him drawing an invite? I don't think it matters, he did well enough in the GSLs that he participated in that he has enough points to play. It just comes down to whether or not he wants to go to Korea for like a month. hopefully GOM accommodates his play schedule this time around and let him play on the initial or final day of the RO32, so that he could still win MLG. gomsupertournament> mlg. it has like 20x the prize money. why would he miss that for mlg last time GSL and MLG conflicted, IdrA tried to get his play schedule for GSL changed ahead of time so he could do both, but they didn't do it. MLG is pretty important for NA SC2, and EG. it would be a shame if he couldn't do both (assuming he wants to do both).
Don't forget that if he skips MLG Columbus, he will not be seeded in the following MLG Anaheim, and will be forced to play through the Open Bracket. I would consider Anaheim to have the highest competition level out of all the Opens due to its location and gamer density in the LA area. MLG is really rewarding for the top 16 who are consistent, but the drawback is that they must participate in basically every MLG event.
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wow wow! This is tournament is gonna be super nice.
Really looking forward to it!
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this going to be just the top 64 ranked in korea or international too?
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So idra just has to win 1 bo3 to get almost a thousand dollars? I hope he goes and I hope EG ponies up the money to buy him a ticket to go.
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thats a whole lot of cash, and would love to see idra go back to the land of starcraft
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On May 05 2011 12:07 SweetAs wrote:
Imo, Idra returns to the GSL and rofl stomps everyone.
roflstomps? I'm sure he'll do extremely well but roflstomp? rofl bro
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Don't see any reason a player can't do both. Looks like GSL went out of their way to schedule a break during the MLG days. Very cool of them.
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On May 05 2011 09:50 Bart wrote:
I think Idra would stand to benefit in participating in this Super tournament just to show the Koreans what they are missing and prove a point that he made the right choice in leaving, ie he doesn't need them but in actual fact they need him (to bring in the international viewership).
Especially now that he has overcome his weakness, ie ZvP, I think he can win this or show that foreigners are competing at a high level overseas cos lets face it the foreigners left in GSL are in a slump of late. It would also make a good storyline, The Return of the Gracken! I think it will be one of the main storylines in Korea if Idra were to go back and participate.
Why, did Idra got kicked-out of Korea, why the combative attitude? GOM even has an apartment for foreigners so I don’t understand this anti-Idra/anti-foreigner that you’re trying to get at. If GOM can’t reschedule and give someone preferential treatment it’s understandable, as I don’t expect MLG or other major tourneys/leagues rescheduling for players and other tourneys/leagues because organizing these events is no joke.
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On May 05 2011 14:26 Ben... wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 02:23 OOAK wrote:
Oh damn Alsmost we got to see BitByBit.Prime, ranked 70 :D. If he made a San-like return and dominated everyone it would be the greatest thing ever.
Man, I would LOVE to see that, but I'm pretty sure BitByBit quit progaming.
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might be cute to see makaprime again
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I highly doubt Koreans would be at MLG. Unfortunately, the prize pool isn't worth it. The top Korean players who could take MLG (MC, MVP, MKP, etc) will be playing in the GSL. The teams wouldn't want to invest a plane ticket + other expenses for a $5000 (?) first place prize. It's much cheaper to fly to europe than the us.
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On May 05 2011 15:47 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 14:26 Ben... wrote:On May 05 2011 02:23 OOAK wrote:
Oh damn Alsmost we got to see BitByBit.Prime, ranked 70 :D. If he made a San-like return and dominated everyone it would be the greatest thing ever. Man, I would LOVE to see that, but I'm pretty sure BitByBit quit progaming.
That's what he wants us to think!
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Major major money.
Would be hard for Idra not to return to Korea to compete in this. I suppose it will depend on the state of zerg tho.
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On May 05 2011 15:05 EZR-Aeron wrote:
this going to be just the top 64 ranked in korea or international too?
Did you even bother reading the post? :p Its the Top64 from the GSL 2011 Ranking (most points in the GSL Jan, March, April) - so yeah, its some foreigners too, but just the the ones who competed in the GSL...
IdrA... Actually hope that he will be there^^
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I really like that GOM is mixing it up with regular GSLs, GSTL, WC and now the super tournament.
But I think it would be better if they gave at least some spots (8 or so) to an open qualifier.
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Another amazing tournament, SC2 <3!
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93000 US dollars! is this a joke! that is FREAKIN HUGEEEEEEEEEEE!
LETS GET STARTED ON HYPING THIS UP!!!
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Great news. Interesting to see the huge 100million Won prize pool again.
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Sick! Now Jinro doesnt have to deal with group stages =>
I realy hope Idra and Ret goes, it seems stupid not to with such a huge prize pool.
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Hello guys I'm Korean SC2 fan, I linked GSL Point Ranking.
It is official cause these image created by Mr.Chae.
If player doesn't want to participate this tournament, opportunity goes below level player.
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On May 05 2011 17:40 2_JiHwan wrote:Hello guys I'm Korean SC2 fan, I linked GSL Point Ranking. It is official cause these image created by Mr.Chae. If player doesn't want to participate this tournament, opportunity goes below level player.
WC players got points !? Wow!!!!!!!! More Foreigners in GSL :D, thats if they take the place and sponsors pay for the visit :D
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Big opportunity for foreigners here. I hope they all choose to participate in this.
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WoW sounds epic really looking forward for Idra,Huk,Jinros matches !!!!
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On May 05 2011 16:03 On_Slaught wrote:
Major major money.
Would be hard for Idra not to return to Korea to compete in this. I suppose it will depend on the state of zerg tho.
Lol, according to Idra, the state of zerg is constant and it is %$@#
Still, he must now feel like a clown after abandoning GSL.
Here is Idra:
organizers - In America we will be opening a major tournament with a prize pool of 400k USD
Idra - *happyface* *jumpingonajet*
organizers - however, the first season will be 100k and it will drag for 6 month *Trollface*
Idra - *FFFFUUU*
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Holy crap WC granted points. Awesome.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ah so they gave points for the world championships. Great initiative by GOM to try to attract some more foreigners to the Super Tournament. Even though it saddens me that this will force Ryung, Keen, and others out, many more viewers would tune in if White-ra, Morrow, and co. attended. IMO most of the non-Koreans will still opt to forego the Super Tournament given that you get nothing if you lose in the first round, but I hope they take the risk and play for the sake of e-sports.
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This is the style of tournament that it should be anyway in my opinion. Maybe keep Code S and Code A, but just do straight tournaments with best of 3 firs rounds. Keep the seeds aswell so for example MC and MVP being ranked 1 and 2 will be opposite ends of bracket etc. Anyone (at pro level) can win a 1 game match, so i never think we get to see who really is good until the round of 16 in code S.
Whoever wins this super tournament will be a good player and will be deservingly called the best in Korea.
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Wow if at least half the foriegners on that list accept (not including HuK and jinro since they'd be there already :p) that would be amazing. I already was so excited bout the tournament but now I just don't wanna wait anymore~!!
sad thing about that list is that Mvp is so far ahead in points but he's code A atm lol. (not for long though it seems :D)
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This is going to be a great tourney.
p.s. idra, go compete brotha!
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Really hope we see some more foreigners in this tournament. Go Dimaga!
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great to see that the may be more foreigners involved because of wc!!! thank god!!!!
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aw, the only thing that sucks about the WC points is that Ret got bumped down.
Still, though, I hope all the foreigners participate!
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This is the problem with GOM tourneys... players don't want to have to sit in korea most of a month for one tourney. Things like Dreamhack/IEM are like weekends that koreans can fly over and participate in easily -.-
Oh well... will be fun regardless.
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Hm, not sure how I feel about the GSL WC granting 450 points just for showing up.
Of course I'm glad there will be more foreigners, but I think it's unfair that many good Koreans will be bumped out for foreigners who didn't win a single game in the GSL.
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Awesome, hope to see Sen again, thx for the post!
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On May 05 2011 18:22 kNightLite wrote:
Hm, not sure how I feel about the GSL WC granting 450 points just for showing up.
Of course I'm glad there will be more foreigners, but I think it's unfair that many good Koreans will be bumped out for foreigners who didn't win a single game in the GSL.
agreed. i can imagine this to spread some bad blood between koreans and foreigners
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I added some colors 4 2011 GSL Tour Point Ranking, so it can be notice players grades.
Code S : Blue
Code A : Orange
W.C. : Green
S.S. : (will be) Ocean Blue
Thick colors are good grades. You guys can notice players grades by colors.
I will post these image weekly. So... I hope you nerds(and I'm nerd too.) write some replies.
and if you can't see these image properly download the image.
(I'm sorry for size of these image.)
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Going to be awesome can't wait for this, whoever wins this tournament is truly going to be nerd baller, NesTea fighting!
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I think Ret/Ryung/Keen have a decent shot of getting in due to players above them not participating.
(inactivity, army, etc)
Not so much for viOlet/Nuts/Creator/Min unless some foreigners from GSL WC declines.
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Wow, what a prizepool. :o
I will definitely be looking forward to it.
I hope those foreigners from the World Championship participating will kick some ass!
Some of the just won a bo3 against a single opponent (in the qualification) to obtain those points.
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It's nice that there are so many foreigners in the top64 (counted 10) but will they be willing to come to Korea for this tournament? I'm especially interested in IdrA's participation.
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Besides being super excited to see more foreigners getting a shot in Korea, I'm really excited to see Maka back in the GSL.
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On May 05 2011 18:22 kNightLite wrote:
Hm, not sure how I feel about the GSL WC granting 450 points just for showing up.
Of course I'm glad there will be more foreigners, but I think it's unfair that many good Koreans will be bumped out for foreigners who didn't win a single game in the GSL.
I was thinking the same. Being in Code S ro16 is way more difficult than just showing up at WC. Most of the foreigners will get crushed in ro64 anyway.
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motherfucking whiteraaa!!!! and dimaga got an invite too, amazing!
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MVP should start selling some of his points
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GSL still the best tournament by far 
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June 18th finals? Uh oh. That might mean the next GSL won't end until August, which doesn't bode well for July.
This tournament looks sweet. I imagine several foreigners won't be making the three week trip to Korea, which will shake up the entry list a bit. Still, it'll be fun.
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On May 05 2011 21:32 Kanil wrote:
June 18th finals? Uh oh. That might mean the next GSL won't end until August, which doesn't bode well for July.
I don't understand what shouldn't bode well.? Here's the upcoming GSL schedule:
May 16th - May 19th
-GSTL 3
May 23rd - June 18th
-GSL Super Tournament
Late June - Mid/Late-July
-GSL July 2011 ("GSL 7")
Late July
-GSTL 4
August
-GSL August 2011 ("GSL 8")
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welp, there goes another set of pants.
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I wonder which of the foreigners is actually gonna play in this GSL.
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oh my god. Why is GOM so amazing?
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i really hope some of the foreigners from the gslwc will show up there. especially dimaga impressed me and we dont get to see him much in big tournaments lately for different reasons.
only thing i can complain about is the topheavy prizemoney. would prefer a wider distribution for the sake of the participants. with that calibre of players and the current state of the game literally anyone can be knocked out in the ro32.
other than that i love how gomtv manages to bring us constant variety at the highest level of entertainment and competition.
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On May 05 2011 22:19 zere wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 21:32 Kanil wrote:
June 18th finals? Uh oh. That might mean the next GSL won't end until August, which doesn't bode well for July. I don't understand what shouldn't bode well.? Here's the upcoming GSL schedule:
What is the month between June and August?
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On May 04 2011 18:22 SenorChang wrote:
The sad thing about the prize money is, just for being in the ro32 on this tournament you early 2/3 of the amount the Code A champion recieves :< And the same amount for 2nd place Code A
On the other hand, Code S/Code A operates under the assumption that Code S are the best 32 players and Code A the second best. Therefore, winning Code A may be a grueling achievement, but it means you're ranked 33 of the GSL (at that exact time). Looking at it like that it puts it all in perspective and it makes sense that just ranking top 32 is enough to win you (almost) as much as winning code A!
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On May 06 2011 00:00 NexUmbra wrote:
What is the month between June and August?
:facepalm: Thank god, I understand now! But, don't worry, there will be a GSL that ends in his month
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On May 06 2011 00:00 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 22:19 zere wrote:On May 05 2011 21:32 Kanil wrote:
June 18th finals? Uh oh. That might mean the next GSL won't end until August, which doesn't bode well for July. I don't understand what shouldn't bode well.? Here's the upcoming GSL schedule: What is the month between June and August?
The month in which JulyZerg will reign supreme? But in all seriousness, can we allow our Korean pro gamers a month of holidays please? All other sports have multiple months of downtime for the players to recuperate.
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On May 05 2011 18:48 2_JiHwan wrote:I added some colors 4 2011 GSL Tour Point Ranking, so it can be notice players grades. Code S : Blue Code A : Orange W.C. : Green S.S. : (will be) Ocean Blue Thick colors are good grades. You guys can notice players grades by colors. I will post these image weekly. So... I hope you nerds(and I'm nerd too.) write some replies. and if you can't see these image properly download the image. (I'm sorry for size of these image.)
Thanks for posting these, they're super informative!
Greatly looking forward to see this tournament, here's hoping lots of the NA/KR/EU players fly over to compete. Seriously, 64 man tournament for +$180.000 dollars? Yes please!
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btw TT1 totally had Zlasher brackets to be seeded in this.
Beats Painuser, beats Moonglade = get ranked ahead of most Code A players. >_>
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Liveforever is in the army, so his spot is definitely open.
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I hope ALL foreigners that are in top64 will go to Korea. This will be such an epic event if this happens and will bring is sooo many foreign viewers. Do you read this GOM? Contact them and pressure them to come, if some of them are uncertain that might sway their minds!
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Is Idra hwaiting? And go BOXER this is your chance to show the world how good u are!
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Seems Incredible AWESOME :D.
Foreigners fighting!
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Man, I hope all of the foreigners (especially idrA and Dimaga) can show up. Dimaga was amazing in the WC, and idrA is idrA.
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Sorry, why does it say foreigners fighting? Am I just being blind to where it says more about this?
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I hope IdrA Dimaga and whitera attend this, definetly the most awesome foreigners
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Gom are being very helpful to the WC foreigners, especially the likes of morrow who went to korea and didn't win a game. Compared to Keen who made the Code A semis and probably won't get in to the supertournament
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That's the one thing that doesn't make sense, they are giving equal points to the world event tournament as Code S, so every foreigner who was in that is now higher ranked than up and coming Code A's who had to go through a lot more to get there. Doesn't seem right, players such as SlayerSRyung, MVPKeen, IMNuts, SlayerSMin etc seem more fitting / deserving. I guess they are just too new to the GSL scene to be in it even if they are showing to be better. Another example LegalMind who hasn't been very competitive as of late is locked in around 40th spot, because of past glory.
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You know guys if I have the money I would make a deal with White-Ra and I would give him some money for the tourney, and he pay me back when he'll win it, serously the guy can win thw all thing.
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100,000 US for first place
hope boxer takes it
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On May 05 2011 18:48 2_JiHwan wrote:I added some colors 4 2011 GSL Tour Point Ranking, so it can be notice players grades. Code S : Blue Code A : Orange W.C. : Green S.S. : (will be) Ocean Blue Thick colors are good grades. You guys can notice players grades by colors. I will post these image weekly. So... I hope you nerds(and I'm nerd too.) write some replies. and if you can't see these image properly download the image. (I'm sorry for size of these image.)
Shouldn't IdrA have the 300 points for code S Ro32 in GSL March? He was technically in that tournament, even if he didn't play.
Also, are we sure that the world championship counts for points? And that the points are equal to the regular season?
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Really nice to see that Huk got in, going to be a great tournament.
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On May 06 2011 05:31 Treadmill wrote:
Shouldn't IdrA have the 300 points for code S Ro32 in GSL March? He was technically in that tournament, even if he didn't play.
Also, are we sure that the world championship counts for points? And that the points are equal to the regular season?
I just added some colors for your notification, and these points are "Official".
I checked this image and excel 20 times to compare official records.
But if you doesn't get it, check out the 1st page and see some point ranking image.
That is created by Mr.Chae who is Head of GSL Management Team and also Korean commentator.
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Looks like we might have a nice amount of foreigners in this tournament. With a little luck Ret just might be able to participate!
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World championship counting for points changes everything, and even though I don't really agree with that usage, it makes the playing field a lot more interesting.
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So damn epic cant wait like old times
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On May 05 2011 01:10 LambtrOn wrote:Day mentioned he was going to Korea last night on StoG... I actually would assume this might be true.
oh shit you are right, he did say he was gonna visit Tasteless soon
he might cast GSL with tasteless? that would be so sick
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yeah, its kinda weird that the invites give so many points, but it gives a great opportunity for some of the foreigners. Up to 9 foreigners in a singe GSL, how cool would that be?
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GoGo Foreigners
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phew. boxer barely made it.
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On May 06 2011 06:41 Sayril wrote:
phew. boxer barely made it.
64 player tour not 32
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On May 06 2011 06:44 Killmouse wrote:64 player tour not 32
oh my bad. haha.
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Where's LosirA at? not even in the top 100 from what I can see..
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Idra just said on his stream he won't participate, not that there was any doubt
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IdrA just said on his stream, that he will not participate in the Super Tournament
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On May 06 2011 06:55 benco wrote:Where's LosirA at? not even in the top 100 from what I can see..
#26
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On May 06 2011 06:55 benco wrote:Where's LosirA at? not even in the top 100 from what I can see..
According to JiHwan's post, Losira is #26.
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Any foreigner who participates will have a month of nothing to play for a small chance of winning :/
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On May 06 2011 04:28 Devise wrote:
That's the one thing that doesn't make sense, they are giving equal points to the world event tournament as Code S, so every foreigner who was in that is now higher ranked than up and coming Code A's who had to go through a lot more to get there. Doesn't seem right, players such as SlayerSRyung, MVPKeen, IMNuts, SlayerSMin etc seem more fitting / deserving. I guess they are just too new to the GSL scene to be in it even if they are showing to be better. Another example LegalMind who hasn't been very competitive as of late is locked in around 40th spot, because of past glory.
Well they gotta sort the top 64 by some means. They can't say "A guy is better than B guy so he gets more points." Either sort it by all current code A/S players, but whats the point of having a super tournament if it's exactly the same people + 2 rounds - group stage? Seems boring. So they sort it by points. Maybe it's wrong that Code A final gets less points than S32 or world championship, but GSL gains SOOOO much from having foreigners in the competition. Smart move by them, great move for us, bad move for up and coming players indeed. I think it's the best solution.
EDIT: ro64 losers don't get anything?
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Thanks for adding 2_JiHwan's charts in the OP, very helpful.
I understand that it may be hard for foreigners to come to Korea in order to participate in this tournament, but the truth is that these live and local area tournaments are really the best format. This is my opinion as a spectator.
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I love that like Dimaga, White-ra etc are got points, I'd love to see them go over for it.
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On May 06 2011 07:35 Deadeight wrote:
I love that like Dimaga, White-ra etc are got points, I'd love to see them go over for it.
It would mean they miss a lot of foreigner tourneys.
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On May 06 2011 06:10 2_JiHwan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 05:31 Treadmill wrote:
Shouldn't IdrA have the 300 points for code S Ro32 in GSL March? He was technically in that tournament, even if he didn't play.
Also, are we sure that the world championship counts for points? And that the points are equal to the regular season? I just added some colors for your notification, and these points are "Official". I checked this image and excel 20 times to compare official records. But if you doesn't get it, check out the 1st page and see some point ranking image. That is created by Mr.Chae who is Head of GSL Management Team and also Korean commentator.
Didn't see your earlier post, sorry. Thanks!
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On May 06 2011 07:36 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 07:35 Deadeight wrote:
I love that like Dimaga, White-ra etc are got points, I'd love to see them go over for it. It would mean they miss a lot of foreigner tourneys.
it would probably also mean that they would get more GSL ranking points for the chance at staying in the running for future GSL events aswell
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On May 06 2011 07:40 pieman819 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 07:36 Mailing wrote:On May 06 2011 07:35 Deadeight wrote:
I love that like Dimaga, White-ra etc are got points, I'd love to see them go over for it. It would mean they miss a lot of foreigner tourneys. it would probably also mean that they would get more GSL ranking points for the chance at staying in the running for future GSL events aswell
What's the incentive though? Jinro has been in korea for what, 5 months going now?
A lot of Europeans are passing him in winnings.
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On May 06 2011 07:42 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 07:40 pieman819 wrote:On May 06 2011 07:36 Mailing wrote:On May 06 2011 07:35 Deadeight wrote:
I love that like Dimaga, White-ra etc are got points, I'd love to see them go over for it. It would mean they miss a lot of foreigner tourneys. it would probably also mean that they would get more GSL ranking points for the chance at staying in the running for future GSL events aswell What's the incentive though? Jinro has been in korea for what, 5 months going now? A lot of Europeans are passing him in winnings.
No they aren't.
The only European with more in winnings than Jinro is Sjow. WhiteRa isn't foo far behind, then it drops like $5k to Naama (who's mostly got his from one big lan win @ dreamhack), and $10k to MorroW.
I'm very hopeful we do see some of the foreign players going back out to play again, I really feel Dimaga at least is very deserving of it after his performance both in the team match and the individual tournament.
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Oh my science... this is huge, that is so much money... It is nice to see that they are considering other tournaments and adjusting their schedule accordingly.
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White-ra Dimaga gonna do great
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I don't mean for staying to participate in Code S/A but the getting some points so maybe they can get an invite to the next Super Tournament equivalent.
At worst they spend 2 weeks in korea and lose their first or second match.
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Time to buy the Season ticket again. I passed on the previous two.
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Hi, anyone know who will be casting for the English stream?
+ Show Spoiler + Please don't give me guesses : ]
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Can any nerd ballers break down the race composition of the announced players?
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it's gonna be awesome! looking forward to it.
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woooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww :-)
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Biggest prize pool to date!
I'd like to thing MC has been on an MVP-like skid lately and will bounce back like MVP in the World Championship, but I like MVP to take it.
Also I love that they're taking time off of for MLG.
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Oh wow, didn't realize all the foreigners from the wc were top 64. I really hope at least one will take the risk to go over! Dimaga and idra especially would do well.
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Idra please go to korea to compete in this tourny!!!
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On May 06 2011 13:27 Marcus420 wrote:
Idra please go to korea to compete in this tourny!!!
Idra said on his stream today that he won't be participating.
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this is going to be awesome! go foreigners!
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http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors3/news/65230
UPDATE OP PLEASE, this was just posted on twitter by gom.
From the looks of it WC counts so Dimaga and other WC guys will be in Super tournament.
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oh you guys cheated and took the rankings form korean gom website, ohh well.
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On May 06 2011 13:29 Truefire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 13:27 Marcus420 wrote:
Idra please go to korea to compete in this tourny!!! Idra said on his stream today that he won't be participating.
This is legit depressing.
Where's my bottle of whiskey...
I hope Dimaga etc can compete in this. >_<
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On May 06 2011 13:55 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 13:29 Truefire wrote:On May 06 2011 13:27 Marcus420 wrote:
Idra please go to korea to compete in this tourny!!! Idra said on his stream today that he won't be participating. This is legit depressing. Where's my bottle of whiskey... I hope Dimaga etc can compete in this. >_<
I wish he would go compete as well, but for himself, it's probably the better idea financially. Focusing on IGN and NASL seems to be the better option. The competition is way steeper in the GSL and I see it pulling apart more soon.
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Best of 3 Format? As always, rooting for MarineKingPrime.
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God there are so many great names in this list.
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disappointed idrA is not participating. Everyone knows that he has the best chance of winning as a foreigner. Guess it is not worth it to miss a lot of IPL and NASL since he did win IPL, it is unlikely :/
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:O So many foreigners eligible to compete, I hope some of them can make it.
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On May 06 2011 15:44 Suc wrote:
:O So many foreigners eligible to compete, I hope some of them can make it.
At the very least we have Jinro, Huk, and Moonglade (still living in Korea right?). Sen isn't too far away, he could probably fly over if he feels like it :p
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On May 04 2011 19:01 RPR_Tempest wrote:
Awesome! This is a great system and an AWESOME way to see players we haven't seen in a while again (Maka and Moon come to mind)
Is it? 'MAKAPRIME TIME!'
And also why doesn't Idra want to go? Theres a time gap for MLG, hes still a top player and it wasn't that long ago (January?) He was fighting Jinro on very terran favoured maps (Jungle Basin etc) in the RO8.
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Sucks to hear that IdrA won't be competing in this =(
Oh well, oGsNaDa fighting !!
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Would really like to see MKP to win his first GSL this time, especially since this is the biggest GSL of the year.
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I wonder who might be casting and how it might be arranged, since Tasteless and Artosis aren't keen on casting every day.
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On May 06 2011 14:03 Skipton wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 13:55 Goibon wrote:On May 06 2011 13:29 Truefire wrote:On May 06 2011 13:27 Marcus420 wrote:
Idra please go to korea to compete in this tourny!!! Idra said on his stream today that he won't be participating. This is legit depressing. Where's my bottle of whiskey... I hope Dimaga etc can compete in this. >_< I wish he would go compete as well, but for himself, it's probably the better idea financially. Focusing on IGN and NASL seems to be the better option. The competition is way steeper in the GSL and I see it pulling apart more soon.
This looks like the one great chance this year to test himself against the very best players
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On May 06 2011 16:25 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 14:03 Skipton wrote:On May 06 2011 13:55 Goibon wrote:On May 06 2011 13:29 Truefire wrote:On May 06 2011 13:27 Marcus420 wrote:
Idra please go to korea to compete in this tourny!!! Idra said on his stream today that he won't be participating. This is legit depressing. Where's my bottle of whiskey... I hope Dimaga etc can compete in this. >_< I wish he would go compete as well, but for himself, it's probably the better idea financially. Focusing on IGN and NASL seems to be the better option. The competition is way steeper in the GSL and I see it pulling apart more soon. This looks like the one great chance this year to test himself against the very best players
Yea, but I think if he was more concerned about doing that he wouldn't have left Korea in the first place. He has a much better chance winning in the IPL and NASL than trying to get through GSL.
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On May 06 2011 15:12 backtoback wrote:
disappointed idrA is not participating. Everyone knows that he has the best chance of winning as a foreigner. Guess it is not worth it to miss a lot of IPL and NASL since he did win IPL, it is unlikely :/
lol. Come back to reality plz
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On May 06 2011 16:32 Nerdslayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 15:12 backtoback wrote:
disappointed idrA is not participating. Everyone knows that he has the best chance of winning as a foreigner. Guess it is not worth it to miss a lot of IPL and NASL since he did win IPL, it is unlikely :/ lol. Come back to reality plz
He should stay in the U.S, if he went back to Korea he probably wouldn't make it pass the first round.
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So will the team league be on this month?
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The GSTL will be 1 week after(its how its been for the last 2 seasons) after the GSL Code S Finals.
I think Idra made a good decision to not attend the Super, not only re-traveling back to Korea would be counter intuitive in terms of prize money but it somewhat conflicts with NASL and IPL commitment and somewhat an extent for the upcoming MLG Columbus. Yes the payout is way larger if he wins the Super, but it order to be worth it he has to win it. You only receive winnings if you make it past the Round of 32, and if Idra loses before getting into the prize pool the trip is a total waste.
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The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC
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Is there any chance of white-Ra, dimaga, sen etc coming to Korea...?
really wanna see them again.
Come win and get the money!!!!
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On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC
I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away.
He really isnt that good compared to alot of people.
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On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC
jinro ! ! :D
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On May 07 2011 01 39 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 07 2011 01 39 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people.
Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player.
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On May 06 2011 20:40 Yang Wenli wrote:
The GSTL will be 1 week after(its how its been for the last 2 seasons) after the GSL Code S Finals.
I think Idra made a good decision to not attend the Super, not only re-traveling back to Korea would be counter intuitive in terms of prize money but it somewhat conflicts with NASL and IPL commitment and somewhat an extent for the upcoming MLG Columbus. Yes the payout is way larger if he wins the Super, but it order to be worth it he has to win it. You only receive winnings if you make it past the Round of 32, and if Idra loses before getting into the prize pool the trip is a total waste.
Maybe I'm just blind but to me it seems like getting into the Ro32 grants you pricemoney already. Also, I bet if IdrA wanted to participate, his games would not be scheduled too close to MLG. I'd love to see him there and it would be one of the few opportunities to show off his real skill against Koreans, and if he went out in the RO64 the trip really wouldn't take that long but I guess that isn't going to happen...
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Have any foreigners not in korea confirmed or denied yet? I know Idra apparently said he wasn't going to on his stream, but what about everyone else?
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On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player.
cool down.
I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think.
Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer.
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On May 07 2011 01:54 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player. cool down. I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think. Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer.
He's a god at PvP where he can't rely on "abuse"
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On May 07 2011 01:54 Marcus420 wrote:
Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer.
LOL
That's a lot of meaningless words you throw around like that.
"he relies on race abuse"
"his risky abusive style".
Is that the result of in depth analysis of MC:s playstyle compared to other protosses that you came to that conclusion?
Please do elaborate then why other protosses don't do the risky abusive style and race abusing to win GSL championships and other tourneys.
I guess they'd rather have "respect" from community members like yourself rather than high rankings and money?
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I will fly to korea If DIMAGA and IdrA are in.
I love them both.
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i just spoke with Gomtv. So far only confirmation they have so far is Jinro, Huk, Loner, and Sen. I will post up here when i get confirmation of other players.
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On May 07 2011 01 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player. cool down. I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think. Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer.
So what is required to be good then? MC has won far more than his closest rival MVP and no other Protoss in the world is even close to him in terms of tournaments won. He's the only player to win two GSL's (excluding the world championship which had a weaker player pool overall), the only Protoss player to reach a GSL final, the only player to win a major foreign tournament as well as a major Korean tournament and despite all the whine over Toss being overpowered only Huk, Ace and Naniwa have won major tournaments to my knowledge as Protoss and none of them are even close to MC's level.
He has basically defined the Protoss race in SC2. Before GSL open 3 most people considered Protoss the weakest race, then he turned up and crushed everyone, which he did again two seasons later and taught the world how to play Protoss.
I laugh so hard every time I see people call MC cheesy or lucky, quit listening to Nony (who has won exactly nothing) about Sc2 and start actually watching games, MC is a total beast who will continue to be the best Protoss in the world for the forseeable future.
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On May 07 2011 01:54 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player. cool down. I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think. Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer.
If so then at least he can "abuse" better than all other protoss players. If MC knows how to abuse his race and other protoss players don't, then they suck. A player that thinks up a way to abuse is much smarter than players that don't know how to abuse and only sit there and whine while the "abuser" just keeps cashing in.
I wish I can abuse my way to 2 GSL titles, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen title.
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i just spoke with Gomtv. So far only confirmation they have so far is Jinro, Huk, Loner, and Sen. I will post up here when i get confirmation of other players.
Awesome, thanks for keeping track of this!
Looking forward to Sen, that's for sure. Taiwan, represent!
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I'd be willing to bet on Bomber for this. I don't think anybody can beat him; he is completely unstoppable.
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On May 07 2011 04:47 Dexington wrote:
I'd be willing to bet on Bomber for this. I don't think anybody can beat him; he is completely unstoppable.
OMfg bomber is the bomb.
he is doing so well. he has a chance to take it i reckon. maybe like 50|50!!!!
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On May 07 2011 02:02 Inertia_EU wrote:
I will fly to korea If DIMAGA and IdrA are in.
I love them both.
idra already said on his stream that he is not attending this tournament.
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On May 07 2011 06:39 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 02:02 Inertia_EU wrote:
I will fly to korea If DIMAGA and IdrA are in.
I love them both. idra already said on his stream that he is not attending this tournament.
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Day9 will be in korea around this time right? So Daystosis might get back together once again and cast this
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On May 07 2011 04:47 Dexington wrote:
I'd be willing to bet on Bomber for this. I don't think anybody can beat him; he is completely unstoppable.
When did winning code a make you unstoppable? He lost to MC recently.
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On May 07 2011 07:40 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 04:47 Dexington wrote:
I'd be willing to bet on Bomber for this. I don't think anybody can beat him; he is completely unstoppable. When did winning code a make you unstoppable? He lost to MC recently.
when was this?
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On May 07 2011 06:39 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 02:02 Inertia_EU wrote:
I will fly to korea If DIMAGA and IdrA are in.
I love them both. idra already said on his stream that he is not attending this tournament.
Still hoping for Dimaga, and of course the beast from the east. I guess I'd like to see TT1 and Morrow go too. Hell all of team world should make an appearance
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This has the potential to be the most epic tournament since the beginning of SC2. Imagine if every qualified foreigner cleared scheduling conflicts and attended (that's Idra, Jinro, Huk, Dimaga, TT1, Whitera, Morrow, Moonglade, Sen) fighting with top Koreans (MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP, Nada, etc.), with GSL's production quality, Tastosis commentating (with the added chance of day9)... If everything adds up this will be freakin ridiculous
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Will IdrA be competing? I'm sure just showing up will pay for his trip to korea. But he may want to focus on NASL.
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On May 07 2011 08:34 GoKu` wrote:
Will IdrA be competing? I'm sure just showing up will pay for his trip to korea. But he may want to focus on NASL.
Apparently he said on his stream that he isn't going. Also, there's no prizes for 33rd-64th places, meaning that if he loses in the first round he gets nothing. And even if he makes it to Ro32, he gets only about $930 US.
On another note, not sure how they're going to handle tiebreak situations... which could very well be likely with LiveForever (military service) and the other unconfirmed foreigners not participating. Assuming only Loner and Sen are confirmed, that leaves 7 additional spaces up for grabs which extends the cut off line to #71. That's just after Keen and before Violet. In this case there's no need for a tiebreaker as Keen has 163 points and Violet has 130.
But what if one other foreigner wants to come and the cut off point is #70? Now the cut-off is between Ryung and Keen and both are on equal points, with similar performances (Code A Ro4 in the same season). It'll be interesting how they settle the tiebreakers which might arise, considering the tight schedule they have.
But either way looking forward to the tournament. Get to see names like Moon and Maka back... even though there's a highly likely chance they'll get eliminated early.
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Holy crapapples. That's alot of cash. Hope Jinro can get his game togheter for this one and win it!
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Kas is playing horribly this game
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On May 08 2011 03:47 Niruz wrote:
Kas is playing horribly this game
Wait, what? Wrong thread, buddy.
Soooo hyped for this. Unfortunately my finals are during the first week of june, so I'll most likely miss the early rounds.
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Does bomber have enough now? If enough of the World Team come back, he can be pushed away.
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On May 07 2011 02:18 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 01 Marcus420 wrote:On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player. cool down. I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think. Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer. So what is required to be good then? MC has won far more than his closest rival MVP and no other Protoss in the world is even close to him in terms of tournaments won. He's the only player to win two GSL's (excluding the world championship which had a weaker player pool overall), the only Protoss player to reach a GSL final, the only player to win a major foreign tournament as well as a major Korean tournament and despite all the whine over Toss being overpowered only Huk, Ace and Naniwa have won major tournaments to my knowledge as Protoss and none of them are even close to MC's level. He has basically defined the Protoss race in SC2. Before GSL open 3 most people considered Protoss the weakest race, then he turned up and crushed everyone, which he did again two seasons later and taught the world how to play Protoss. I laugh so hard every time I see people call MC cheesy or lucky, quit listening to Nony (who has won exactly nothing) about Sc2 and start actually watching games, MC is a total beast who will continue to be the best Protoss in the world for the forseeable future.
Alright lets 5gate with 15 forcefields. Hes not that good. He 4 gated and 5 gated July in GSL which was a terrible finals.
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On May 08 2011 14:19 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 02:18 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 Marcus420 wrote:On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player. cool down. I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think. Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer. So what is required to be good then? MC has won far more than his closest rival MVP and no other Protoss in the world is even close to him in terms of tournaments won. He's the only player to win two GSL's (excluding the world championship which had a weaker player pool overall), the only Protoss player to reach a GSL final, the only player to win a major foreign tournament as well as a major Korean tournament and despite all the whine over Toss being overpowered only Huk, Ace and Naniwa have won major tournaments to my knowledge as Protoss and none of them are even close to MC's level. He has basically defined the Protoss race in SC2. Before GSL open 3 most people considered Protoss the weakest race, then he turned up and crushed everyone, which he did again two seasons later and taught the world how to play Protoss. I laugh so hard every time I see people call MC cheesy or lucky, quit listening to Nony (who has won exactly nothing) about Sc2 and start actually watching games, MC is a total beast who will continue to be the best Protoss in the world for the forseeable future. Alright lets 5gate with 15 forcefields. Hes not that good. He 4 gated and 5 gated July in GSL which was a terrible finals.
He's won 2 GSLs, Dreamhack all star tourney, and the Copenhagen tourney. No, he's not that good at all...
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On May 08 2011 14:19 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 02:18 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 Marcus420 wrote:On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player. cool down. I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think. Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer. So what is required to be good then? MC has won far more than his closest rival MVP and no other Protoss in the world is even close to him in terms of tournaments won. He's the only player to win two GSL's (excluding the world championship which had a weaker player pool overall), the only Protoss player to reach a GSL final, the only player to win a major foreign tournament as well as a major Korean tournament and despite all the whine over Toss being overpowered only Huk, Ace and Naniwa have won major tournaments to my knowledge as Protoss and none of them are even close to MC's level. He has basically defined the Protoss race in SC2. Before GSL open 3 most people considered Protoss the weakest race, then he turned up and crushed everyone, which he did again two seasons later and taught the world how to play Protoss. I laugh so hard every time I see people call MC cheesy or lucky, quit listening to Nony (who has won exactly nothing) about Sc2 and start actually watching games, MC is a total beast who will continue to be the best Protoss in the world for the forseeable future. Alright lets 5gate with 15 forcefields. Hes not that good. He 4 gated and 5 gated July in GSL which was a terrible finals.
If it was that easy to do everyone would do it. MC is the main reason people think toss is OP.
It's MC's execution, decision making and aggression which make him the best.
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this is ridiculous on people saying MC is "not as good".... He's still considered one of the best players in the world. protoss looks easy b/c MC made protoss OP
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mOOnGLaDe said on Twitter that he had to choose between this or MLG. No word on what he picked yet.
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I think what people mean when they say "MC is not that good" Is that he is not litarally a god. He's is very very good.. but he is not unstopable. He plays risky and gets punished for it.. Even someone like poltprime could punish his risky builds (note that I'm not saying that polt is bad.. just that no one really thought he'd have a chance against MC.. but he did).
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mOOnGLaDe is going to MLG
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Just me who thinks the name is stupid?
Super... Tournament? Super tournament? lolz
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Would be awesome if top3 from TSL would get a spot in this.
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On May 08 2011 18:30 FXOpen wrote:
mOOnGLaDe is going to MLG
Thanks ^_^
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On May 08 2011 19:33 Euronyme wrote:
Just me who thinks the name is stupid?
Super... Tournament? Super tournament? lolz
no, you are not alone.. but I guess when I look at some korean progamer IDs it's not very surprising.
but nevertheless this tournament will be awesome
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is idra/dimaga/TT1/morrow/sen/whitera/ret going to korea for the tournament?
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awww I was hoping for ryung and min to get in too ><
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On May 08 2011 20:03 Tofugrinder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 19:33 Euronyme wrote:
Just me who thinks the name is stupid?
Super... Tournament? Super tournament? lolz no, you are not alone.. but I guess when I look at some korean progamer IDs it's not very surprising. but nevertheless this tournament will be awesome
Haha I guess. I'm probably being racist here, but it's kind of true. Koreans seem to have a very different taste of what's cool and boss like
Hahaha supertournament :X
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On May 07 2011 01:54 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 01:42 Blasphemi wrote:On May 07 2011 01 39 Marcus420 wrote:On May 06 2011 20:54 wireninja wrote:
The prize pool is crazy... it will be interesting to see if anyone can beat MC I havea feeling MC is going to slowly fizzle away. He really isnt that good compared to alot of people. Yeah he's only won two GSL's, a Dreamhack and a Copenhagen games. Average player. cool down. I never said he was BAD. He just isnt as good as some people think. Really; he relies on race abuse to get by. People are figuring out his risky abusive style so i doubt he will be top of S class for much longer.
lol plz
MC is a god among mortals!
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is there any information about attending foreigners? (except Jinro + HuK i guess)
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If players have to chose between MLG and the super tournament why are is GOM not playing on the 3rd and 4th and have MLG in the schedule? Isn't that there so that everyone can go to MLG that weekend if they want?
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On May 09 2011 06:17 coolcor wrote:
If players have to chose between MLG and the super tournament why are is GOM not playing on the 3rd and 4th and have MLG in the schedule? Isn't that there so that everyone can go to MLG that weekend if they want?
You only have a couple of days to fly to Columbus and fly back to Seoul. Jetlag might be a key factor.
That and flying to Seoul just to get knocked out in the first or second rounds might not be very profitable.
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Wow bomber only just scraped in at 61, that means we could potentially have Bomber vs MC or MarineKing in the first round, and he'll certainly be playing one of the top 5
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Idra said on a Q&A on his stream he wouldn't be going.
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i hope the foriegners will show or a lot of them atleast
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On May 09 2011 02:42 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 20:03 Tofugrinder wrote:On May 08 2011 19:33 Euronyme wrote:
Just me who thinks the name is stupid?
Super... Tournament? Super tournament? lolz no, you are not alone.. but I guess when I look at some korean progamer IDs it's not very surprising. but nevertheless this tournament will be awesome Haha I guess. I'm probably being racist here, but it's kind of true. Koreans seem to have a very different taste of what's cool and boss like Hahaha supertournament :X
Not really, a lot of names in Asian languages sound really cool and have a lot of meaning and implication; but when they're translated to English they become silly names. So, it's English's fault,not that Koreans have silly name.
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I think they skipped MLG days for spectating reasons, not player reasons....
Still gonna be great.
May Finals this week, team league next week, then right into the super tournament!
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Ret, Morrow, and Sen are still there!
I really hope they can make it!
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If NesTea wins GSL he will be tied with MC for 2nd place in points, weird how similar their results have been.
I hope Sen doesn't decline, he should be done with the university at this time. and Lmfao for Sen's real name "Sen"
Sen could go far if he gets legalmind, JookTo, and Butterfly. He probably could beat August and Loner also.
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So that leaves MorroW (and Ret, I guess, but I doubt he'd show up) as the only foreigners who haven't confirmed/denied.
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On May 09 2011 15:09 Tanatos wrote:
Ret, Morrow, and Sen are still there!
I really hope they can make it!
Sen said he was going, apparently.
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I can't wait for this to start. This is going to be cool watching Code A players and how they stand up to Code S players, to be honest the state of the game right now between the skill between Code A and Code S is not really defined quite yet and I believe some Code A players, given the chance may be able to take on some of the Code S players that have no competed in the Up and Down Matches.
Btw will this tournament be charged or will it be free like the World Championships... and if so how much. cheers!
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On May 08 2011 18 preon wrote:
I think what people mean when they say "MC is not that good" Is that he is not litarally a god. He's is very very good.. but he is not unstopable. He plays risky and gets punished for it.. Even someone like poltprime could punish his risky builds (note that I'm not saying that polt is bad.. just that no one really thought he'd have a chance against MC.. but he did).
All good players take calculated risks, it's called strategy and it's why MC has won two GSL's and a player like IdrA won nothing at all between MLG and IGN, at which point he started taking risks. It really makes me laugh how many people spout that crap after hearing SOTG and think Tyler was actually right.
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Maybe the next time that they have the WC they should follow it up with the super tournament directly after because the foreigners would already be in korea? But that would mean a 1-2 month stay in korea anyway so dunno how realistic that would be!
Anyway, as a fan I'm disappointed that there won't be many foreigners in the super tournament but there are so many good players in the GSL I think I'll manage somehow :p
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On May 09 2011 17:06 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 18 preon wrote:
I think what people mean when they say "MC is not that good" Is that he is not litarally a god. He's is very very good.. but he is not unstopable. He plays risky and gets punished for it.. Even someone like poltprime could punish his risky builds (note that I'm not saying that polt is bad.. just that no one really thought he'd have a chance against MC.. but he did). All good players take calculated risks, it's called strategy and it's why MC has won two GSL's and a player like IdrA won nothing at all between MLG and IGN, at which point he started taking risks. It really makes me laugh how many people spout that crap after hearing SOTG and think Tyler was actually right.
I don't care what tyler said. Fact remains that if MC would play mega-safe and still win everything he'd be a god.. literally.. now he doesn't and looses to people like Polt which should say alot to the people thinking him beeing invincible to be honest. I'm not saying he's bad.. he might very well be the best player today but he is not invincible and I don't think it obvious that he'll win this tournament.
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Just like our World Championship, Super Tournament is a regular tournament featured as a part of our 2011 GSL Tour.
Does that mean it will be free to watch the Vods like the WC?
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That is an INSANE amount of money.
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Sen better plaaaaay. Someone ask him if he will in the Ask Sen Thread.
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Morrow fighting :D Awesome
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Can't wait for this tournament! Terrans fighting!!!
I'm glad to see some old favourites back as well... Too bad BitByBit didn't make it
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On May 11 2011 14:02 TT1 wrote:
sen is busy with school
nooooooooooooooooooo!
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Jinro, Huk, Morrow, Ret - FIGHTING!
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On May 09 2011 19:47 preon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 17:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 18 preon wrote:
I think what people mean when they say "MC is not that good" Is that he is not litarally a god. He's is very very good.. but he is not unstopable. He plays risky and gets punished for it.. Even someone like poltprime could punish his risky builds (note that I'm not saying that polt is bad.. just that no one really thought he'd have a chance against MC.. but he did). All good players take calculated risks, it's called strategy and it's why MC has won two GSL's and a player like IdrA won nothing at all between MLG and IGN, at which point he started taking risks. It really makes me laugh how many people spout that crap after hearing SOTG and think Tyler was actually right. I don't care what tyler said. Fact remains that if MC would play mega-safe and still win everything he'd be a god.. literally.. now he doesn't and looses to people like Polt which should say alot to the people thinking him beeing invincible to be honest. I'm not saying he's bad.. he might very well be the best player today but he is not invincible and I don't think it obvious that he'll win this tournament.
Playing safe always wont win you the game. Its a strategy game.
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On May 11 2011 20:13 TooN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 19:47 preon wrote:On May 09 2011 17:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 18 preon wrote:
I think what people mean when they say "MC is not that good" Is that he is not litarally a god. He's is very very good.. but he is not unstopable. He plays risky and gets punished for it.. Even someone like poltprime could punish his risky builds (note that I'm not saying that polt is bad.. just that no one really thought he'd have a chance against MC.. but he did). All good players take calculated risks, it's called strategy and it's why MC has won two GSL's and a player like IdrA won nothing at all between MLG and IGN, at which point he started taking risks. It really makes me laugh how many people spout that crap after hearing SOTG and think Tyler was actually right. I don't care what tyler said. Fact remains that if MC would play mega-safe and still win everything he'd be a god.. literally.. now he doesn't and looses to people like Polt which should say alot to the people thinking him beeing invincible to be honest. I'm not saying he's bad.. he might very well be the best player today but he is not invincible and I don't think it obvious that he'll win this tournament. Playing safe always wont win you the game. Its a strategy game.
It will win you every game if you are much better than your opponent though.
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On May 14 2011 17:24 Chise wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 20:13 TooN wrote:On May 09 2011 19:47 preon wrote:On May 09 2011 17:06 Blasphemi wrote:On May 08 2011 18 preon wrote:
I think what people mean when they say "MC is not that good" Is that he is not litarally a god. He's is very very good.. but he is not unstopable. He plays risky and gets punished for it.. Even someone like poltprime could punish his risky builds (note that I'm not saying that polt is bad.. just that no one really thought he'd have a chance against MC.. but he did). All good players take calculated risks, it's called strategy and it's why MC has won two GSL's and a player like IdrA won nothing at all between MLG and IGN, at which point he started taking risks. It really makes me laugh how many people spout that crap after hearing SOTG and think Tyler was actually right. I don't care what tyler said. Fact remains that if MC would play mega-safe and still win everything he'd be a god.. literally.. now he doesn't and looses to people like Polt which should say alot to the people thinking him beeing invincible to be honest. I'm not saying he's bad.. he might very well be the best player today but he is not invincible and I don't think it obvious that he'll win this tournament. Playing safe always wont win you the game. Its a strategy game. It will win you every game if you are much better than your opponent though.
Yeah. See: NesTea and Mvp.
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Seems like Ret, Morrow, (Sen and Loner) also declined, their names are crossed of
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Aw, I thought Loner and Sen were confirmed!
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^seems like none of the foreigners are playing (outside of Jinro and Huk)
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a few months ago people travelled to Korea to have the chance to qualify for a 90k tournament. now they have a spot for sure and they decline. sucks :/
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![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/28634.png)
brackets are out.
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MKP gets another brutal first round opponent. Alicia vs MC is another painful first rounder.
Other than that its looking great!
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Most appear a little one sided, but the ones I'd be looking forward to straight up would be:
MMA vs Lyn
Inca vs Ryung
Rain vs Keen
Genius vs Boxer
Squrtle vs MKP
Alicia vs MC
Huk vs san
Those are the ones I'm personally looking forward to.
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there are definitely going to be a lot of great games we can learn from
this tournament will be amazing
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On May 18 2011 13:38 gideel wrote:
MKP gets another brutal first round opponent. Alicia vs MC is another painful first rounder.
Other than that its looking great!
Squirtle hasn't shown anything since like 2 or 3 gstl's ago. Seems like a 1 hit wonder but maybe I'm wrong. Mkp should take it easily.
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alicia vs mc is definitely going to be sad. i wanted to see more games out of both of them (which we have been lacking) and see what they can do. oh well
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Does that mean when Bomber and Nestea win their Ro64 matches they'll meet in the Ro32? I don't know if I'm happy that they'll play each other or sad that it'll be so early. =\
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it does suck that the will be no europeans but the ones that are currently already in Korea but what do you expect starting to get to the point where why would a foreign player want to go to Korea, to try to get into a stakced pool of players in Code A earning no money?? Not to mention of the payers invited through WC, maybe they cant just keep going to korea for one off tournaments, especially not when they will miss MLG as well as other leagues such as NASL etc...
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On May 18 2011 15:25 Robonord wrote:
Does that mean when Bomber and Nestea win their Ro64 matches they'll meet in the Ro32? I don't know if I'm happy that they'll play each other or sad that it'll be so early. =\
Assuming this is in order, sure. But is it in perfect order? If so, would love to actually just see a massive bracket image created so we can all do our "fantasy brackets" for GSL Super Tournament.
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Min vs July
Fruitdealer vs Ace
I am not pleased. They should have a non televised loser bracket.
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So only and Huk and Jinro to represent the foreigners then, hoping to see Huk go far in this. Going to have some awesome matchups to look forward too
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potentially boxer vs july in the second round!!
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On May 17 2011 06:00 Zeon0 wrote:
a few months ago people travelled to Korea to have the chance to qualify for a 90k tournament. now they have a spot for sure and they decline. sucks :/
The problem is that going to Ro16 only nets $1780, which barely covers the plane ticket. So with only Ro8 and up being profitable to foreigners, what's the point?
The prize structure is too top-heavy. Baseball players in the minors don't make the big bucks, but at least they make a living wage. Progamers don't get anything unless they're the elite of the elite.
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On May 19 2011 00:06 andrea20 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2011 06:00 Zeon0 wrote:
a few months ago people travelled to Korea to have the chance to qualify for a 90k tournament. now they have a spot for sure and they decline. sucks :/ The problem is that going to Ro16 only nets $1780, which barely covers the plane ticket. So with only Ro8 and up being profitable to foreigners, what's the point? The prize structure is too top-heavy. Baseball players in the minors don't make the big bucks, but at least they make a living wage. Progamers don't get anything unless they're the elite of the elite.
and you have to be top 2 in MLG to cover the cost of many europeans, so what's the point? It's that mentality that non koreans think they can't compete with the koreans. They should feel they are equally skilled... if you can make top 2 of MLG you should be able to get top 8 in super tournament. If you win the whole super tournament, it would pay off way better.
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HOLY SHIT 91k USD for the winner 27,570 for the runner up wow. Biggest Sc2 prize yet. They should really spread the prize pool more.
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On May 19 2011 00:44 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2011 00:06 andrea20 wrote:On May 17 2011 06:00 Zeon0 wrote:
a few months ago people travelled to Korea to have the chance to qualify for a 90k tournament. now they have a spot for sure and they decline. sucks :/ The problem is that going to Ro16 only nets $1780, which barely covers the plane ticket. So with only Ro8 and up being profitable to foreigners, what's the point? The prize structure is too top-heavy. Baseball players in the minors don't make the big bucks, but at least they make a living wage. Progamers don't get anything unless they're the elite of the elite. and you have to be top 2 in MLG to cover the cost of many europeans, so what's the point? It's that mentality that non koreans think they can't compete with the koreans. They should feel they are equally skilled... if you can make top 2 of MLG you should be able to get top 8 in super tournament. If you win the whole super tournament, it would pay off way better.
Highly doubt top 2 in MLG is comparable to top 8 in this super tournament. Getting top 8 in this thing is going to be much much harder with people preparing rigorously before matches. Hell winning MLG will be easier than top 8 IMO. Cept maybe if your Jinro, since he's got the easiest possible group.
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huk vs san. Let's see if huk's pvp has improved with the patch. If Huk wins the first round, i think he can get pretty deep.
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Whats the toughest bracket? I would say Mcs or nesteas. I think MVP has the easier road to a final four. It would be fun to have a marchmadness type pool for this.
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On May 20 2011 01:59 darmousseh wrote:
huk vs san. Let's see if huk's pvp has improved with the patch. If Huk wins the first round, i think he can get pretty deep.
As sad as it is to say, if HuK beats san he'll have an even harder time the round later. Unless Polt pulls something out his ass (or winner of 1 doesnt play 2 and 3 doesnt play 4) he plays Losira in the Ro32. tbh I don't think he has a chance against Losira
HuK fighting <333
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Looks pretty good for Jinro, he is definately capable of Ro8 here, meeting Nada in ro16 could get sticky though
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MKP has difficult matches but nothing he can't handle, I could see him getting up to the RO4.
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On May 20 2011 07:15 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2011 01:59 darmousseh wrote:
huk vs san. Let's see if huk's pvp has improved with the patch. If Huk wins the first round, i think he can get pretty deep. As sad as it is to say, if HuK beats san he'll have an even harder time the round later. Unless Polt pulls something out his ass (or winner of 1 doesnt play 2 and 3 doesnt play 4) he plays Losira in the Ro32. tbh I don't think he has a chance against Losira HuK fighting <333
I wouldn't have said Genius had a chance against LoSirA but Genius managed to beat him. LoSirA is VERY strong, but not invincible. HuK can do it. Then HuK goes against sCfOu (probably) which he can win as sC's weakest match-up is TvP. Unfortunately, it ends there for HuK, as his next opponent will be oGsMC.
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Well Genius against Losira was a strange game. Nestea said he shouldn't do the build but did it anyways. It was a bit silly by Losira to do it. Yes the heavy infestor zergling build has potential but it is really hard to pull off. If Losira plays his normal very aggressive style, Huk will have a very hard time because he very often makes micro mistakes in important games.
But if Huk gets his nerves together he could win.
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I'm going to be in South Korea during this tournament, does anyone know what time (local time of course) will these tournaments be held? Much appreciated.
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On May 21 2011 15:44 sohu86 wrote:
I'm going to be in South Korea during this tournament, does anyone know what time (local time of course) will these tournaments be held? Much appreciated.
I believe it's 1810 hours local time
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I see, that's pretty late. I thought tournaments were in the afternoons heh
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On May 22 2011 20:27 NHY wrote:An update on one of the maps used: Xel'Naga Fortress: The watch tower at the center of the map is destroyed after 7 minutes. Note that there is only one watch tower in XNF so there would be no watch tower after 7 minutes. Also it's 7 minutes game time. http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=1&msgid=15755&p=1
Woah, wild.
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If NesTea wins his ro32 he can get to the semifinals easily.
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Will tastosis grace us with their presence again?
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On May 22 2011 20:27 NHY wrote:An update on one of the maps used: Xel'Naga Fortress: The watch tower at the center of the map is destroyed after 7 minutes. Note that there is only one watch tower in XNF so there would be no watch tower after 7 minutes. Also it's 7 minutes game time. http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=1&msgid=15755&p=1
Makes controlling the centre with siege tanks a bit more difficult late game but at the same time allows for early map control. I like it.
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Hey, anybody going to be in Korea this weekend? im going to see this tournament and was wondering if anyone wants to hag out :^D
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