EPTOn April 26 2011 05:07 arb wrote:
tossgirl actually loses most of her games vs foreigners ..
shes reallllllllllllllly bad
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On April 26 2011 04:40 GinDo wrote:
Yeah, he's not exaggerating. Watch the last WCG and watch how flash roffle stomps the Foreigners. Koreans are so good even TossGirl could roffle stomp pretty much any foreigner in her sleep and she sucks compared to Flash or Jeadong.
On April 26 2011 01:35 MCDayC wrote:
That's just a massive exaggeration.
What this thread should be discussing is the awesomeness of the games that were played, and the awesomeness of the upcoming games. That's what matters.
On April 26 2011 00:39 gen.Sun wrote:
You have no idea what you're talking about bro.
A- on iccup is nowhere near competitive level, that's like saying all grandmasters are competitive. Bbbzzzz wrong.
Also the bonjwas sucked at bw in the timeline of MVP and mc.
You don't really understand the skill gap towards the higher end of bw. There's as much difference between TLO and Flash as there as between TLO and a bronze.
On April 25 2011 20:55 Kyo Yuy wrote:
Jinro was part of the Korean Brood War Dream.t clan that Jangbi was in.
TLO was A- in ICCUP before transferring to SC2.
Huk was one of the top players in Company of Heroes before joining SC2.
All of this information can be found on Liquipedia.
Also, there were quite a few foreigners who were part of BW pro teams aside from Idra, Tyler, and Ret. Draco, Elky, Giyom, and a few Chinese players were all part of Korean pro teams at some point.
I'm not going to make any argument is to which RTS is "the best," but I just wanted to make sure you got your facts straight.
As far as I know, the vast majority of known SC2 progamers DO have previous significant previous RTS experience. To say that Jinro, Huk, and TLO had no serious competitive background is incorrect.
In Korea, some of the best SC2 progamers were BW progamers who have very few accomplishments in BW (e.g. oGsMC, MVP, Nestea, MKP, and even FruitDealer). In contrast, the "bonjwas" and really well known players in BW have not been able to show strong consistent performances in the GSL (Boxer, July, Nada). Some of the best BW progamers from the U.S. are showing strong performances in SC2 nationally. It's Europe where we see the greatest representation of ex WC3 progamers, but even some European BW players like DIMAGA have shown amazing results outside of TSL (and Dimaga was banned from TSL3 due to TSL2 ladder abuse - who knows what might have happened if Dimaga had been allowed to enter)?
SC2, WC3, and BW are different games. You can have an opinion as to which game is the best, but ultimately they are separate games and experience in one doesn't dictate domination/skill in another. Judging from the wide representation of RTS backgrounds in SC2, I'd say the best SC2 players are determined based on how good those players are at SC2, and not based on what game they played prior to moving to SC2.
On April 25 2011 20:34 Talin wrote:
Well both of those statements are actually true. While having a WC3 background is certainly not a "flaw", it really isn't much of a benefit either. You have plenty of players with no serious competitive background that became very successful in SC2 as well (Jinro, HuK and TLO to name a few).
On April 25 2011 19:59 sleepingdog wrote:
Lol this post wins, it's spot on. In the beginning everyone was like "blah, once the game gets figured out, the former BW pros will pwn the previous wc3 players hard because wc3 players can't macro"
Now they are "blah, the wc3 players obviously worked very hard on overcoming their flaws from playing wc3 and are still barely keeping on because sc2 doesn't demand enough mechanical skill"
On April 25 2011 16:16 WAAA wrote:
^ so what you are saying is wc3 players won at the beginning because they played the game worse than everyone else, and now are winning because they are playing starcraft 2, not warcraft 3. You're right this discussion is pointless.
^ so what you are saying is wc3 players won at the beginning because they played the game worse than everyone else, and now are winning because they are playing starcraft 2, not warcraft 3. You're right this discussion is pointless.
Lol this post wins, it's spot on. In the beginning everyone was like "blah, once the game gets figured out, the former BW pros will pwn the previous wc3 players hard because wc3 players can't macro"
Now they are "blah, the wc3 players obviously worked very hard on overcoming their flaws from playing wc3 and are still barely keeping on because sc2 doesn't demand enough mechanical skill"
Well both of those statements are actually true. While having a WC3 background is certainly not a "flaw", it really isn't much of a benefit either. You have plenty of players with no serious competitive background that became very successful in SC2 as well (Jinro, HuK and TLO to name a few).
Jinro was part of the Korean Brood War Dream.t clan that Jangbi was in.
TLO was A- in ICCUP before transferring to SC2.
Huk was one of the top players in Company of Heroes before joining SC2.
All of this information can be found on Liquipedia.
Also, there were quite a few foreigners who were part of BW pro teams aside from Idra, Tyler, and Ret. Draco, Elky, Giyom, and a few Chinese players were all part of Korean pro teams at some point.
I'm not going to make any argument is to which RTS is "the best," but I just wanted to make sure you got your facts straight.
As far as I know, the vast majority of known SC2 progamers DO have previous significant previous RTS experience. To say that Jinro, Huk, and TLO had no serious competitive background is incorrect.
In Korea, some of the best SC2 progamers were BW progamers who have very few accomplishments in BW (e.g. oGsMC, MVP, Nestea, MKP, and even FruitDealer). In contrast, the "bonjwas" and really well known players in BW have not been able to show strong consistent performances in the GSL (Boxer, July, Nada). Some of the best BW progamers from the U.S. are showing strong performances in SC2 nationally. It's Europe where we see the greatest representation of ex WC3 progamers, but even some European BW players like DIMAGA have shown amazing results outside of TSL (and Dimaga was banned from TSL3 due to TSL2 ladder abuse - who knows what might have happened if Dimaga had been allowed to enter)?
SC2, WC3, and BW are different games. You can have an opinion as to which game is the best, but ultimately they are separate games and experience in one doesn't dictate domination/skill in another. Judging from the wide representation of RTS backgrounds in SC2, I'd say the best SC2 players are determined based on how good those players are at SC2, and not based on what game they played prior to moving to SC2.
You have no idea what you're talking about bro.
A- on iccup is nowhere near competitive level, that's like saying all grandmasters are competitive. Bbbzzzz wrong.
Also the bonjwas sucked at bw in the timeline of MVP and mc.
You don't really understand the skill gap towards the higher end of bw. There's as much difference between TLO and Flash as there as between TLO and a bronze.
That's just a massive exaggeration.
What this thread should be discussing is the awesomeness of the games that were played, and the awesomeness of the upcoming games. That's what matters.
Yeah, he's not exaggerating. Watch the last WCG and watch how flash roffle stomps the Foreigners. Koreans are so good even TossGirl could roffle stomp pretty much any foreigner in her sleep and she sucks compared to Flash or Jeadong.
tossgirl actually loses most of her games vs foreigners ..
shes reallllllllllllllly bad
I've seen her beat cloud with one hand tied to her back.. she's better than most foreigner methinks.
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