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On April 24 2011 18:08 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:31 Trowa127 wrote:On April 24 2011 16:52 LwReisen wrote:On April 24 2011 16:50 Reasonable wrote:On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
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wc3 players up
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But seriously, KAS is amazing and Thorzain took out the best protoss in the world.
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
It's not a dominance switch, its more of a catch up. MC is probably on drinking bout after losing so badly to both picks in GSL I've also noticed that Koreans don't take other tournaments seriously during GSLs. In fact, I doubt coaches train their players to play at non-Korean tournaments, it's probably mostly taken as practice. Well then that's their problem isn't it; arrogance. When foreigners start dominating Code S/A (it WILL happen), maybe then they'll take it seriously. Why are people like you allowed to post on TL? There has been no indication that foreigners 'WILL' dominate Code S or even A. They got some wins in the GSTL where there was no prize money, then got absolutely handled in the individual stages when money came into it. MC lost a series, but 4 - 0'd Kas - these things happen. He can't prepare for every single match up considering he plays in so many tournaments, so stop making bs statements that aren't back up with facts. well I think its more telling that MC lost games that he was actually able to prepare for. + Show Spoiler +He knew who he would be playing in TSL, GSL and NASL. Yet he lost in all three. Goes to a LAN where no one knows who they will play and he wins. Tyler is right. He plays risky. Given time to prepare for MC, he is certainly beatable and we are seeing that. And that goes for Koreans and foreigners. . Is there still a gap? Sure, but its pretty close. GSTL WC didn't even have the best foreigners in it. Yet they still took games off them, even when money was on the line. We will never see foreigners dominate Code S/A because it makes more sense to play in home leagues that offer great prize money too. Hell thats why MC is traveling outside Korea to these competitions, to win money.
LOL I'll take a few hundred thousand in my pocket compared to safe Tyler any day. Results speak for themselves everything else is just talk.
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Mc is jetlagged, playing on foreign computer and eating wierd food he isn't at all used to and that's IT, stop speculating so much lol. He's just out of his comfort zone THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BEING ABROAD EVER!.
Nublets.
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On April 24 2011 18:24 kalleralle wrote:
Mc is jetlagged, playing on foreign computer and eating wierd food he isn't at all used to and that's IT, stop speculating so much lol. He's just out of his comfort zone THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BEING ABROAD EVER!.
Nublets.
the excuses will never stop coming will they? 
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On April 24 2011 18:25 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:24 kalleralle wrote:
Mc is jetlagged, playing on foreign computer and eating wierd food he isn't at all used to and that's IT, stop speculating so much lol. He's just out of his comfort zone THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BEING ABROAD EVER!.
Nublets. the excuses will never stop coming will they?
and the people who ignore the fact hes won two gsl's and two european tournaments will never stop talking will they?
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I think the European Terrans are really close to Korean players in skill level at the moment. Those were great games played by Thorzain and MC I just watched, both players played really well with very few mistakes.
The only thing that concerns me is the lack of Zerg players from all 3 continents getting to the final 8 of these tourneys recently.
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On April 24 2011 17:43 freetgy wrote:"shouldn't" mech suck against Protoss?  Thorzain my favorite Terran by far, just for his creativity and metagame changing potential.
I found the creativity quite refreshing too, he showed at elast three distinct pvt builds (MMM,1/1/1, mass-thor), which were all pulled off pretty well. I think this is the way to go in any matchup, doing one standard strategy all the time, while it will be well honed, leads to people being able to poke holes in it. MC was really taken aback by the thor play in the final game I think and wan't ready for it. Where as MMM he has seen a billion times and knows how to counter it.
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On April 24 2011 18:24 kalleralle wrote:
Mc is jetlagged, playing on foreign computer and eating wierd food he isn't at all used to and that's IT, stop speculating so much lol. He's just out of his comfort zone THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BEING ABROAD EVER!.
Nublets.
Aah, the good ol "Weird food"-excuse.
I guess that explains why Jinro didn't win that faithful GSL, he had Kimchi instead of meatballs the night before the games....
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On April 24 2011 18:15 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 12:17 1Eris1 wrote:
Somehow I feel like Thorzain is going to get rolled by Kas.
But dam, taking out MC. dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 12:19 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ Sadly I think this is probably where the end of the line for him is. Kas' TvT is far more superior to what ThorZain's is. Sad though since he knocked out so many good player :/ I'm REALLY REALLY curious, how do you know this? There's no recent TvT on sc2rep.com, the last I saw was him taking out cloud in the semifinals of the qualifier. Could it be. Could it possibly be that you're just publishing your uninformed opinions for the world to see? I really loath when people do this. It doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever. If you know something the rest of us don't; then please do share. I'm willing to bet you don't however. If you trust statistics: Thorzain's TvT record in TLPD: 47.37%; Kas's TvT record in TLPD: 62.07%.
If you trust a player's own assessment of himself:From the post-ro32 interviewQ: Your next opponent will be the winner of Liquid`Tyler vs Strelok. What do you think of these players, and who would you rather face?I think that they are quite evenly matched but if I had to pick anyone I would expect Strelok to win just barely. I would much rather play against Tyler however, because TvT definitely is my weakest match up right now.
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On April 24 2011 18:17 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:08 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 24 2011 17:31 Trowa127 wrote:On April 24 2011 16:52 LwReisen wrote:On April 24 2011 16:50 Reasonable wrote:On April 24 2011 16:34 LwReisen wrote:
<troll>
wc3 players up
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But seriously, KAS is amazing and Thorzain took out the best protoss in the world.
Does anybody else feel that? That's sc dominance switching from KR to Europe..............
It's not a dominance switch, its more of a catch up. MC is probably on drinking bout after losing so badly to both picks in GSL I've also noticed that Koreans don't take other tournaments seriously during GSLs. In fact, I doubt coaches train their players to play at non-Korean tournaments, it's probably mostly taken as practice. Well then that's their problem isn't it; arrogance. When foreigners start dominating Code S/A (it WILL happen), maybe then they'll take it seriously. Why are people like you allowed to post on TL? There has been no indication that foreigners 'WILL' dominate Code S or even A. They got some wins in the GSTL where there was no prize money, then got absolutely handled in the individual stages when money came into it. MC lost a series, but 4 - 0'd Kas - these things happen. He can't prepare for every single match up considering he plays in so many tournaments, so stop making bs statements that aren't back up with facts. well I think its more telling that MC lost games that he was actually able to prepare for. + Show Spoiler +He knew who he would be playing in TSL, GSL and NASL. Yet he lost in all three. Goes to a LAN where no one knows who they will play and he wins. Tyler is right. He plays risky. Given time to prepare for MC, he is certainly beatable and we are seeing that. And that goes for Koreans and foreigners. . Is there still a gap? Sure, but its pretty close. GSTL WC didn't even have the best foreigners in it. Yet they still took games off them, even when money was on the line. We will never see foreigners dominate Code S/A because it makes more sense to play in home leagues that offer great prize money too. Hell thats why MC is traveling outside Korea to these competitions, to win money. LOL I'll take a few hundred thousand in my pocket compared to safe Tyler any day. Results speak for themselves everything else is just talk.
No one ever said he wasnt a great player. All they said was that he will be figured out. Recently the players who have had time to prepare for MC have done very well against him.
Also this wasn't MC's first time traveling as he was just at Dreamhack a few weeks ago.
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On April 24 2011 18:24 kalleralle wrote:
Mc is jetlagged, playing on foreign computer and eating wierd food he isn't at all used to and that's IT, stop speculating so much lol. He's just out of his comfort zone THIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BEING ABROAD EVER!.
Nublets.
By that logic the world team only lost because they had never been to korea and were jetlagged, so they should completely dominate the koreans if they were allowed to live there for a while
lol.
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Ah man - making mech work is very cool! This performance and NASL is pretty interesting; i mean MC didn't play standard in NASL but in this all i can say is well done Thorzain!
As for Kas - expected :D
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well played by thorzain! Impressed!
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On April 24 2011 18:24 kalleralle wrote:
Mc is jetlagged, playing on foreign computer and eating wieTHIS IS HIS FIRST TIME BEING ABROAD EVER!.
Nublets.
He was in Sweden like a week ago...
Nublet.
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On April 24 2011 18:05 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:24 pyro19 wrote:On April 24 2011 17:15 dunc wrote:On April 24 2011 17:05 Wargizmo wrote:On April 24 2011 16:51 LwReisen wrote:Eh, I consider Kas to be better than ThorZaiN. MC's hot streak has come to an end I feel. + Show Spoiler +He got smoked by Ret in NASL as well. Well... + Show Spoiler +
MC 4-0'd Kas in the copenhagen finals.... If the latest results say anything it's that anyone can beat anyone by any margin on any given day. MC is still damn good, just not invincible.
People are good and bad at certain matchups. Look at Thorzain, he is not a better player overall, he just has an amazing TvP while MC's PvT lacks. Whereas Kas is a much better allround player, his TvP wasn't good enough to beat MC. It"s funny how MC used to have a 95% Record against Terran when he won his first GSL. MC used to to 4/5/6 gate with sentry support now he doing more variance. Wish he'd go back to what works instead of trying to please.
He's not doing this anymore (at least against terrans) because this doesn't work anymore against terran. (or at least now terrans know how to play against this)
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Oh yeah....I believe Kas 4-0'd (or 3-0'd) Select in a TvT for the last spot into the TSL. He'll probably wipe the floor in the next TvT as well.
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On April 24 2011 19:35 StyLeD wrote:
Oh yeah....I believe Kas 4-0'd (or 3-0'd) Select in a TvT for the last spot into the TSL. He'll probably wipe the floor in the next TvT as well.
Unlikely? Kas won the very first qulaification tournament (iirc)...
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On April 24 2011 19:35 StyLeD wrote:
Oh yeah....I believe Kas 4-0'd (or 3-0'd) Select in a TvT for the last spot into the TSL. He'll probably wipe the floor in the next TvT as well.
Strelok beat Select for the last spot, but Kas TvT is better than Streloks.
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I think Kas or Naniwa ar now the favourites for TSL.
Online near no one is near to Kas. Just sad he couldn't show his skill against MC in Copenhagen.
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On April 24 2011 19:35 StyLeD wrote:
Oh yeah....I believe Kas 4-0'd (or 3-0'd) Select in a TvT for the last spot into the TSL. He'll probably wipe the floor in the next TvT as well.
That was Strelok I think.
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just baseless speculation, but it's crossed my mind that mc just started to fuck off and try random strategies instead of his death timings just because he can now. he's already won two gsls and a bunch of money with his tried and true style so maybe he's trying to showboat other strategies in tournaments now... although doing that in the NASL is silly with that fat cash prize... anyhow, slayers_alicia for protoss president
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