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On April 22 2011 20:03 MBH wrote:
The VOD's location is a little bit weird, under ipl/videos, i could only find the first game of each series, but when i clicked the "HD" button in the match, i got to a youtube-like player with all the games, it is in some kind of window and when you click on it it simply closes hehe...fullscreen works fine though.
Maybe i am too dump to find the "correct" way to play the vods though...
The vod page is just a crappy layout.... I hope IGN is reading this...
To find the other games in a set, you have to click on "HD" which will open the current game's page in a window within the current window. Game 2 and 3 is on the sidebar of the new frame.
This is done in a retarded way (I mean that in the most constructive way possible). The new window/frame is not very maneuverable, I can't use the mouse wheel to scroll down, I can't click on the arrow/empty spot on the scroll bar so the only way for me to scroll down is to drag the scroll bar around.
Also the menu button shrinks the video size.
I'm was glad that IGN has their own VOD service instead of relying on justin.tv, but their video system is suprisingly buggy too. O_o
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On April 22 2011 20:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:32 SicPro wrote:
Really? Maybe at the events like MLG when he's paired with someone who is doing all the analysis, and maybe in his earlier videos, but in his most recent work he absolutely goes into builds along with the different options they offer strategically. You're right it may not be deep analytical thought. BUT ITS SOME ANALYTICAL THOUGHT I question your definition of analytical thought if you can apply it to Husky's casts and not to mine. I also went into builds, the different options and possibilities, the economic situation, potential future plays as well as breaking down why each fight ended the way it did. I was also able to frequently predict what was going to happen and explain why it lead up to that point, admittedly in a fairly basic fashion. I didn't do it indepth, I don't have the knowledge to do that and I am earnestly working on improving that part of my casting, but to claim it is not there entirely simply isn't true. This is the biggest problem I've had with your posts so far, you tend towards hyperbole and twisting the truth, which is not positive for this discussion.
Question it all you like. But why would I twist the truth, you act like I'm out to get you. I'm not I just want to see the best format possible. And I only even came on here to express that because IPL was so close to perfect. Like the other guy above me just said, you ruined the idra game for me. Sorry man nothing personal but if there's something for me to speak out on.... I'm gonna speak out.
Its pritty easy to see without looking too far why your analysis didn't stick with me. Probably because there's just so much to take in... you flooded me with lings mixed in with one or two roaches. How was I supposed to appreciate those two roaches when I have 9million lings barreling down my ear drums?
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I love the overview in the end of every game.
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TB!
in my oppinion you did a great job and ive never been a huge fan but i think you have improved alot since the last time i watched one of your casts, although i did somewhat enjoy the Luxx showmatches recently as well ^^
I totally understand that the demographic for your casts is completely different then your average TL user looking to become a better gamer. I think that through more in game experience/ talking with other analytical casters you could mix in a bit more analytical casting to appeal to an even greater audience though. I think its gotten alot better to be honest though, alot of people just have a problem because they think of you as a silver leaguer and silver leaguers in SC2 forums get no respect whoever they are let alone an sc2 caster (i dont know if your still in silver league but you were a couple of months ago) and they think they know so much more about the game then you. I beleive someone could be a good SC2 caster without even playing the game if they did enough research/ watched enough games though so i am not of that oppinion.
One thing i would like to stress is the importance of keeping up with the current Metagame, if you can not identify builds as they are coming that actually is kind of a problem for a caster as it feels like you do not know what is going on in the game (im not saying you were doing this today im just stressing the importance of it) beyond that i think you did a great job and look forward to listening to more of your casts.
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On April 22 2011 20:37 crazeman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:03 MBH wrote:
The VOD's location is a little bit weird, under ipl/videos, i could only find the first game of each series, but when i clicked the "HD" button in the match, i got to a youtube-like player with all the games, it is in some kind of window and when you click on it it simply closes hehe...fullscreen works fine though.
Maybe i am too dump to find the "correct" way to play the vods though... The vod page is just a crappy layout.... I hope IGN is reading this... To find the other games in a set, you have to click on "HD" which will open the current game's page in a window within the current window. Game 2 and 3 is on the sidebar of the new frame. This is done in a retarded way (I mean that in the most constructive way possible). The new window/frame is not very maneuverable, I can't use the mouse wheel to scroll down, I can't click on the arrow/empty spot on the scroll bar so the only way for me to scroll down is to drag the scroll bar around. Also the menu button shrinks the video size. I'm was glad that IGN has their own VOD service instead of relying on justin.tv, but their video system is suprisingly buggy too. O_o
First day im sure they will fix up the format, not like they dont have a shit ton of web designers working over at IGN prolly could fix it up in a few minutes with the amount of man power they have over there 
I agree though, i am also very happy they are hosting there own videos , i would expect nothing less though, NASL is just hella budget like that.
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On April 22 2011 20:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:32 SicPro wrote:
Really? Maybe at the events like MLG when he's paired with someone who is doing all the analysis, and maybe in his earlier videos, but in his most recent work he absolutely goes into builds along with the different options they offer strategically. You're right it may not be deep analytical thought. BUT ITS SOME ANALYTICAL THOUGHT I question your definition of analytical thought if you can apply it to Husky's casts and not to mine. I also went into builds, the different options and possibilities, the economic situation, potential future plays as well as breaking down why each fight ended the way it did. I was also able to frequently predict what was going to happen and explain why it lead up to that point, admittedly in a fairly basic fashion. I didn't do it indepth, I don't have the knowledge to do that and I am earnestly working on improving that part of my casting, but to claim it is not there entirely simply isn't true. This is the biggest problem I've had with your posts so far, you tend towards hyperbole and twisting the truth, which is not positive for this discussion.
You do know how pathetic you look when you're defending yourself here on TL?
You're a professional, act like one.
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On April 22 2011 20:51 rawe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2011 20:32 SicPro wrote:
Really? Maybe at the events like MLG when he's paired with someone who is doing all the analysis, and maybe in his earlier videos, but in his most recent work he absolutely goes into builds along with the different options they offer strategically. You're right it may not be deep analytical thought. BUT ITS SOME ANALYTICAL THOUGHT I question your definition of analytical thought if you can apply it to Husky's casts and not to mine. I also went into builds, the different options and possibilities, the economic situation, potential future plays as well as breaking down why each fight ended the way it did. I was also able to frequently predict what was going to happen and explain why it lead up to that point, admittedly in a fairly basic fashion. I didn't do it indepth, I don't have the knowledge to do that and I am earnestly working on improving that part of my casting, but to claim it is not there entirely simply isn't true. This is the biggest problem I've had with your posts so far, you tend towards hyperbole and twisting the truth, which is not positive for this discussion. You do know how pathetic you look when you're defending yourself here on TL? You're a professional, act like one.
A bit harsh. I don't think, nor ever thought, that TB looks "pathetic" from his responses here. I also do not consider it as highly unprofessional, nor even care if it isn't. I don't listen to his casts expecting to hear high professionalism. I listen to him to be entertained, which he does very well as many can attest.
I do agree though that TB doesn't need to defend himself at all. There is a vocal minority unhappy with his IPL solo casting. It's okay if not everyone likes it. Most of us do.
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Lol wish I knew VoDs were free before I went and spoiled it for myself. Oh well, I'll forget them in a min anyways.
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Out of curiosity, TB, are you trying to make yourself sound "extra" British when you were speaking? It sounds like you aren't just speaking with a British accent, but really trying to sound VERY different.
That, and I think you talk a little too fast. Please note that I didn't mind what you said at all, just the way you said it. I know people were comparing you to a sports commentator, but I watch a ton of sports on TV, and they calm down their speech a lot when nothing too interesting is happening. The extremely fast delivery works during battles, but please calm it down a little during smaller things.
That is, assuming you're willing to change anything at all without saying "you guys are a super tiny minority, I'm bringing e-sports to the world, I'm not changing anything!", in which case, I'd wonder why you're here at all?
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On April 22 2011 20:51 rawe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2011 20:32 SicPro wrote:
Really? Maybe at the events like MLG when he's paired with someone who is doing all the analysis, and maybe in his earlier videos, but in his most recent work he absolutely goes into builds along with the different options they offer strategically. You're right it may not be deep analytical thought. BUT ITS SOME ANALYTICAL THOUGHT I question your definition of analytical thought if you can apply it to Husky's casts and not to mine. I also went into builds, the different options and possibilities, the economic situation, potential future plays as well as breaking down why each fight ended the way it did. I was also able to frequently predict what was going to happen and explain why it lead up to that point, admittedly in a fairly basic fashion. I didn't do it indepth, I don't have the knowledge to do that and I am earnestly working on improving that part of my casting, but to claim it is not there entirely simply isn't true. This is the biggest problem I've had with your posts so far, you tend towards hyperbole and twisting the truth, which is not positive for this discussion. You do know how pathetic you look when you're defending yourself here on TL? You're a professional, act like one.
He's posting in the thread of a league he participated on as a caster. He's also replying to remarks about him (like many pros do) Even if you don't agree with what he says, why should we drive him away and not allow him to post? Incontrol does the same thing in the NASL thread, although with a more apologetic tone.
On a different note, I appreciate TB's command of the English language. Being able to create excitement using words like "obliterated" instead of saying "rape, rape, rape" all the time makes the cast sound more mature.
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TB is actually an amazing caster, if he's paired with a more analytical caster, like Artosis or Day[9] it will be an amazing viewing experience (especially considering the fact that these guys are also funny as hell).
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the recommended games section actually spoils the results by telling you how many games were played in the bo3. might want to fix that up
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I wonder how many IPL threads are going to be TB v Haters. Love IPL, bringing me great games, wonderful production/stream and much lols in threads on unaffiliated websites.
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oh wow, i'm really impressed with the vods in basically every aspect!
Good work!
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On April 22 2011 20:51 rawe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2011 20:32 SicPro wrote:
Really? Maybe at the events like MLG when he's paired with someone who is doing all the analysis, and maybe in his earlier videos, but in his most recent work he absolutely goes into builds along with the different options they offer strategically. You're right it may not be deep analytical thought. BUT ITS SOME ANALYTICAL THOUGHT I question your definition of analytical thought if you can apply it to Husky's casts and not to mine. I also went into builds, the different options and possibilities, the economic situation, potential future plays as well as breaking down why each fight ended the way it did. I was also able to frequently predict what was going to happen and explain why it lead up to that point, admittedly in a fairly basic fashion. I didn't do it indepth, I don't have the knowledge to do that and I am earnestly working on improving that part of my casting, but to claim it is not there entirely simply isn't true. This is the biggest problem I've had with your posts so far, you tend towards hyperbole and twisting the truth, which is not positive for this discussion. You do know how pathetic you look when you're defending yourself here on TL? You're a professional, act like one.
So by definition, everyone at the NASL and all the pro-gammers who do the same are also pathetic?
LOL, do you feel pathetic?
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On April 22 2011 21:23 CursedRich wrote:
So by definition, everyone at the NASL and all the pro-gammers who do the same are also pathetic?
LOL, do you feel pathetic?
I think the question is, would people like casters/players/organisers who are open to criticism to engage with the community or would they like us to stay silent? Staying silent is very easy and saves time, but personally I think the community deserves the chance to get into an in-depth discussion with somebody they're criticising, to see if real improvements can be made. That to me, is called respecting somebody's opinion, to the point where you're willing to dedicate your own time to giving them an adequate response, even if it's one they might not like. The only people getting upset here are those who find that notion offensive.
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On April 22 2011 20:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 19:36 Kojaimea wrote:
So where do you draw the line between subjective opinion and constructive criticism? 'There are no facts, only interpretations' -Nietzsche. Opinion, or interpretation, is the basis of constructive criticism. You are making a distinction, subjective opinion vs constructive criticism, based on your own subjective opinion. To discount a huge swathe of valuable criticism, just because you don't deem it as such (for whatever reason), is not only foolish, but undermines the community you are a part of. There are no facts, only interpretations? I think you're misinterpreting the meaning of that quote, there are most certainly facts.
Way to take the quote literally...
Now then, let me frame this in a way you may bother to take seriously.
Complaint: I feel that your consistently hyperactive commentary detracts from the clarity and insight of the cast. Superfluous phrases distract from the more important points of the game. Flitting play-by-play means that a lot is remarked on, but nothing is given any meaning. You provide little to no explanation of the reasoning behind the things you notify the viewer of, and become a second set of eyes.
Evidence: Here is a short transcript from your IPL cast of Idra vs Fenix. I will highlight the parts I feel are examples of the problems I outlined above.
'Factory going down right there, replaces the barracks. The question is will he use it to do anything? All manner of different options available to him here. Starport going down, bear in mind that Fenix likes to do drops. Hellions a possibility. He starts off what he might go for the infernal preignitor once he has the gas to do so - certainly doesn't have it right now.'
Superfluous phrases, lack of clarity and lack of focus are all issues here.
Explanation:nd Think of some of the most famed and liked commentators in sports history. Here are a few examples; John Motson, Ritchie Benaud, Murray Walker, John Madden.
Though each has their individual style, they all share two traits i think you could improve upon.
1. Insight into their field. They do their research on the participants, and can provide knowledge that the layman doesn't hold, and give greater insight into the actions of the sport. Though you obviously have a superficial knowledge of the players, I feel you don't use this as a launch point for discussion of finer points of the game.
2. They understand commentary as a monologue. If you start at a level of intensity too high, you cannot build with the action. Each of these commentators adapt their tone in response to the intensity of the action. You start very fast, and there is often no-where to go when the action hots up, and this detracts from the immersion.
Development: Though you seem to think my criticism pointless, and may choose to ignore it, I feel these small adaptations could make you a much better caster, and widen your viewer base, and prevent you from excluding all but your current niche.
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Liked it, keep up the good work!
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On April 22 2011 21:40 Kojaimea wrote:
Now then, let me frame this in a way you may bother to take seriously.
Complaint: I feel that your consistently hyperactive commentary detracts from the clarity and insight of the cast. Superfluous phrases distract from the more important points of the game. Flitting play-by-play means that a lot is remarked on, but nothing is given any meaning. You provide little to no explanation of the reasoning behind the things you notify the viewer of, and become a second set of eyes.
Evidence: Here is a short transcript from your IPL cast of Idra vs Fenix. I will highlight the parts I feel are examples of the problems I outlined above.
'Factory going down right there, replaces the barracks. The question is will he use it to do anything? All manner of different options available to him here. Starport going down, bear in mind that Fenix likes to do drops. Hellions a possibility. He starts off what he might go for the infernal preignitor once he has the gas to do so - certainly doesn't have it right now.'
Superfluous phrases, lack of clarity and lack of focus are all issues here.
Explanation:nd Think of some of the most famed and liked commentators in sports history. Here are a few examples; John Motson, Ritchie Benaud, Murray Walker, John Madden.
Though each has their individual style, they all share two traits i think you could improve upon.
1. Insight into their field. They do their research on the participants, and can provide knowledge that the layman doesn't hold, and give greater insight into the actions of the sport. Though you obviously have a superficial knowledge of the players, I feel you don't use this as a launch point for discussion of finer points of the game.
2. They understand commentary as a monologue. If you start at a level of intensity too high, you cannot build with the action. Each of these commentators adapt their tone in response to the intensity of the action. You start very fast, and there is often no-where to go when the action hots up, and this detracts from the immersion.
Development: Though you seem to think my criticism pointless, and may choose to ignore it, I feel these small adaptations could make you a much better caster, and widen your viewer base, and prevent you from excluding all but your current niche.
Was that really so hard? I guess it probably is for some people but I do appreciate the time you took to lay out a cogent and worthwhile argument on the subject. Yes I've read it and yes it's given me plenty to think about.
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On April 22 2011 20:51 rawe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 20:36 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 22 2011 20:32 SicPro wrote:
Really? Maybe at the events like MLG when he's paired with someone who is doing all the analysis, and maybe in his earlier videos, but in his most recent work he absolutely goes into builds along with the different options they offer strategically. You're right it may not be deep analytical thought. BUT ITS SOME ANALYTICAL THOUGHT I question your definition of analytical thought if you can apply it to Husky's casts and not to mine. I also went into builds, the different options and possibilities, the economic situation, potential future plays as well as breaking down why each fight ended the way it did. I was also able to frequently predict what was going to happen and explain why it lead up to that point, admittedly in a fairly basic fashion. I didn't do it indepth, I don't have the knowledge to do that and I am earnestly working on improving that part of my casting, but to claim it is not there entirely simply isn't true. This is the biggest problem I've had with your posts so far, you tend towards hyperbole and twisting the truth, which is not positive for this discussion. You do know how pathetic you look when you're defending yourself here on TL? You're a professional, act like one.
No need to be a jackass dude. A lot of people, myself included really dug his casting, cut the guy some slack.
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