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On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote: Now tell me toss isn't op...
toss isn't op
Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units. 4-gate = lots of units.
...He cancelled the expand though.
I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote: Now tell me toss isn't op...
toss isn't op
Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units. 4-gate = lots of units.
...He cancelled the expand though.
I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.
Goody should have figured that after that point, Naniwa would have had very few options, one of which would have been a 4 gate. He should have played defensively instead of getting greedy.
Throwing down an extra barracks, producing some marines or marauders and then throwing down that expansion might have been more effective, not sure.
This isn't an issue with the 4gate...Goody was going expansion/banshee tech/siege tank tech vs 1 base 4 gate... He got greedy and didn't react accordingly when he saw the canceled nexus. Plus Goody's bunker placement was way off.
Lastly, Nani was all in on that attack...if his 4 gate fails, he loses.
On April 18 2011 04:06 Chainfire99 wrote: It takes no skill to 4 gate....that's how a lot of toss players got into diamond.
It takes little to no skill to defend a poorly executed 4gate. If you can't do it, go read the thousands of threads that will teach you how, rather than QQing here.
On April 18 2011 04:08 Azarkon wrote: Goody's problem is that he CAN'T go MMM, making him predictable. Protoss players can exploit the fact that they don't need to guard against MMM from him.
I dunno, it's not like Protoss players have never ever played against MMM before.
On April 18 2011 04:06 w_Ender_w wrote: Proxy gate gets stopped? Sure. Forget to cancel the gateway? Whatever. Accidently stop mining? Who cares. Try to expand and force it to get chanceled? No big deal. Four gate anyway and win!
Sure is balanced up in here.
Get Barracks up with even scv's against Protoss before he has Gateway? Nice! Cancel his expansion and start your own?! Very Nice Lose to 4gate you left half your army on the other side of the map...Lose
On April 18 2011 04:06 w_Ender_w wrote: Proxy gate gets stopped? Sure. Forget to cancel the gateway? Whatever. Accidently stop mining? Who cares. Try to expand and force it to get chanceled? No big deal. Four gate anyway and win!
Sure is balanced up in here.
Because GoOdy played perfectly right?
1 bunker and a tank and a banshee should be able to hold off 4 warpgtes imo......tech and expand for freeeeeeeeee
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote: Now tell me toss isn't op...
toss isn't op
Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units. 4-gate = lots of units.
...He cancelled the expand though.
I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.
Goody should have figured that after that point, Naniwa would have had very few options, one of which would have been a 4 gate. He should have played defensively instead of getting greedy.
Throwing down an extra barracks, producing some marines or marauders and then throwing down that expansion might have been more effective, not sure.
I cannot believe how bad Goody played that. The only option for Naniwa after that failed chesse is a fourgate and he makes the worst build against 4gate possible. I don't know what to say.
Can you guys stop CRYING about 4gate? They both played countering each others moves. Goody wanted to cancel the expand, expand himself - turtle - and get into his mech comfort zone. Naniwa being so behind with that gateway+ failed proxy rush + cancel the expo, he had only one option left. Goody should have been more prepared.