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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1301
On April 18 2011 04:08 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:06 Firebolt145 wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 mizU wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 najreteip wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote:
Now tell me toss isn't op...

toss isn't op


Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units.
4-gate = lots of units.

...He cancelled the expand though.


I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.


naniwa cancelled his expand.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46206 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1302
On April 18 2011 04:08 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:06 Firebolt145 wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 mizU wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 najreteip wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote:
Now tell me toss isn't op...

toss isn't op


Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units.
4-gate = lots of units.

...He cancelled the expand though.


I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.

Goody should have figured that after that point, Naniwa would have had very few options, one of which would have been a 4 gate. He should have played defensively instead of getting greedy.

Throwing down an extra barracks, producing some marines or marauders and then throwing down that expansion might have been more effective, not sure.


Naniwa cancelled the expansion.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1303
This isn't an issue with the 4gate...Goody was going expansion/banshee tech/siege tank tech vs 1 base 4 gate... He got greedy and didn't react accordingly when he saw the canceled nexus. Plus Goody's bunker placement was way off.

Lastly, Nani was all in on that attack...if his 4 gate fails, he loses.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1304
On April 18 2011 04:06 MekTypro wrote:
Naniwa just lost a ton of fans...


lol what
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1305
On April 18 2011 04:06 Chainfire99 wrote:
It takes no skill to 4 gate....that's how a lot of toss players got into diamond.

It takes little to no skill to defend a poorly executed 4gate.
If you can't do it, go read the thousands of threads that will teach you how, rather than QQing here.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Sickworld
Profile Joined March 2011
437 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1306
On April 18 2011 04:06 MekTypro wrote:
Naniwa just lost a ton of fans...

i dont understand why you'd say that. cheesing from time to time is a good thing, versatility with opening strategies puts your opponent on your toes
Leave it to me
Sephimos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States144 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1307
I like how we're completely ignoring all the mistakes Goody made. Not killing an obvious pylon = useful talent toi have?
You see!! YOU SEEEEE!! -Sen
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1308
On April 18 2011 04:08 Azarkon wrote:
Goody's problem is that he CAN'T go MMM, making him predictable. Protoss players can exploit the fact that they don't need to guard against MMM from him.


I dunno, it's not like Protoss players have never ever played against MMM before.
skrillakid
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden20 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1309
Looked like a diamond player messing around in gold league or something like that. Goody just feels "slow".
stfu
Juke290
Profile Joined March 2011
Egypt316 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1310
On April 18 2011 04:08 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:06 w_Ender_w wrote:
Proxy gate gets stopped? Sure.
Forget to cancel the gateway? Whatever.
Accidently stop mining? Who cares.
Try to expand and force it to get chanceled? No big deal.
Four gate anyway and win!

Sure is balanced up in here.

Get Barracks up with even scv's against Protoss before he has Gateway? Nice!
Cancel his expansion and start your own?! Very Nice
Lose to 4gate you left half your army on the other side of the map...Lose


Very well said
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1311
On April 18 2011 04:07 VEReHrT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:06 w_Ender_w wrote:
Proxy gate gets stopped? Sure.
Forget to cancel the gateway? Whatever.
Accidently stop mining? Who cares.
Try to expand and force it to get chanceled? No big deal.
Four gate anyway and win!

Sure is balanced up in here.


Because GoOdy played perfectly right?



1 bunker and a tank and a banshee should be able to hold off 4 warpgtes imo......tech and expand for freeeeeeeeee
champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends.
skycaptain
Profile Joined October 2010
United States101 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1312
Proxy 2Gate into Fast Expand into 4Gate,

super standard.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1313
Great play by Nani.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
425kid
Profile Joined March 2011
416 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1314
On April 18 2011 04:08 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:06 Firebolt145 wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 mizU wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 najreteip wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote:
Now tell me toss isn't op...

toss isn't op


Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units.
4-gate = lots of units.

...He cancelled the expand though.


I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.

Goody should have figured that after that point, Naniwa would have had very few options, one of which would have been a 4 gate. He should have played defensively instead of getting greedy.

Throwing down an extra barracks, producing some marines or marauders and then throwing down that expansion might have been more effective, not sure.

he cancelled...
Jpn
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands5 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1315
Quick question, were there still marines inside that bunker near Naniwa's base?
Gl hf
Mahs
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands171 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1316
Crazy games like this might not bring amazing toplevel play, but the pure excitement and entertainment are dripping off it. Awesome stuff
I'll be in my bunk.
dragoonier
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany154 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1317
I cannot believe how bad Goody played that. The only option for Naniwa after that failed chesse is a fourgate and he makes the worst build against 4gate possible. I don't know what to say.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1318
Even as a Zerg player I think what Naniwa just did is hilarious and awesome. That was Goody's fault, not the meta-game's fault.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1319
--- Nuked ---
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
April 17 2011 19:09 GMT
#1320
Can you guys stop CRYING about 4gate? They both played countering each others moves. Goody wanted to cancel the expand, expand himself - turtle - and get into his mech comfort zone. Naniwa being so behind with that gateway+ failed proxy rush + cancel the expo, he had only one option left. Goody should have been more prepared.
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