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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF!
Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy!
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
April 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#1341
On April 18 2011 04:06 MekTypro wrote:
Naniwa just lost a ton of fans...

You mean he just made a ton of new fans.
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#1342
Oh lawd, Husky's comment about Goody's face.
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
InteGrated
Profile Joined November 2010
United States259 Posts
April 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#1343
idk why people r hating on naniwa. goody's build was so vulnerable toa 4 gate on that map. the prize of this tourney is 15.

put it together. stop whining. all these people who complain when players "cheese" when its more just how they read into their opponent are annoying as fuck.

same shit with MC. naniwa proved he can beat goody with macro game 2 but when u know a disadvantage an opponent has in a build, why not take advantage. GOody had no fucking units and got greedy
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
April 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#1344
If naniwa truly proxies about 10% of the time then I'm pretty sure he's been in this situation before. The four gate was awesome decision making.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1345
On April 18 2011 04:09 SmoKim wrote:
no one reads the big white warning from the mod
I was just thinking this How do people miss that?
Administrator
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1346
On April 18 2011 04:07 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:06 MekTypro wrote:
Naniwa just lost a ton of fans...

why? because he played smart? dont be stupid, it was smart play, goody played bad.


It wasn't smart, it was desperation.
He literally could not do anything else because his nat got bunkered.
It would be smart if he saw Goody going for banshees+expansion, but the fact of the matter is that it was a BLIND 4gate out of desperation. It happened to work because Goody played too greedy going for tech and expo at the same time. :/
darkness overpowering
Dcamp0308
Profile Joined August 2010
United States87 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1347
Did Husky just call them ugly? XD
Havefa1th
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1348
Honestly that looks like me when I try and off-race as protoss.

"Terran is overpowered crap, let's cheese him

Oh snap this isn't gonna work well ok I'm a good player I'm gonna play standard

Oh snap he's pressuring me with a bunker what do i do what do i do

4 GATE AHHHHHH"

Naniwa just took a page out of my book :D
"Apparently I just needed to play the way I did... and realize he killed his own command center." - Idra
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1349
I'm actually really impressed with Husky's commentating lately, seeing really good improvements in play-by-play as well as analysis after the games.

Sean better keep up!
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1350
On April 18 2011 04:08 mizU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 teamsolid wrote:
Normally, I hate watching 4-gates, but that build was just genius. So many mind games going on there. Very good response from Naniwa.



Haha, what build?

The fail proxy gate, forget to cancel your proxy gate when it's getting killed, then expand, but cancel because 4 marines are coming, then 4 gate and win?

that build?

Silly game, you're better than this goody!


It's hard to tell whether it was a really elaborate build, trying to force the terran to overreact and get ahead just through that, or he just failed with cheese and took advantage of Goody overreacting and getting greedy.



Well actually yea, the way Nani just revealed his gates. Either that was the most stupid move ever, or the most genius move, depending on how you look at it

Still doubt it was intentional though :D
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1351
On April 18 2011 04:09 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:06 w_Ender_w wrote:
Proxy gate gets stopped? Sure.
Forget to cancel the gateway? Whatever.
Accidently stop mining? Who cares.
Try to expand and force it to get chanceled? No big deal.
Four gate anyway and win!

This is quite demoralizing. I hope someone makes some sort of analysis on this game and explains what happened, what did GoOdy do wrong and such.



Well you shouldn't fucking tech to banshee and get a 2nd cc on one base without knowing what the hell the protoss doing, while having overall 5 marine to defend, and 4 in his natural afkin in the bunker
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Juke290
Profile Joined March 2011
Egypt316 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1352
On April 18 2011 04:09 425kid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:08 Mordiford wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:06 Firebolt145 wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 mizU wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 najreteip wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote:
Now tell me toss isn't op...

toss isn't op


Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units.
4-gate = lots of units.

...He cancelled the expand though.


I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.

Goody should have figured that after that point, Naniwa would have had very few options, one of which would have been a 4 gate. He should have played defensively instead of getting greedy.

Throwing down an extra barracks, producing some marines or marauders and then throwing down that expansion might have been more effective, not sure.

he cancelled...


The Nexus was cancelled

The Command Center was not cancelled.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1353
On April 18 2011 04:08 getSome[703] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:07 Galcyon wrote:
What a crazy game.... 4 Gate hard counters everything?


4 gate tends to counter fast tech to banshees while getting tanks and expanding with five marines

3 Marines* at your base and 4 Marines in a Bunker on the otherside of the map.

But yeah...Tech/Expand at the same time and the people here actually think 4gate is the problem...this is like a new low :/

If Protoss went for Colossus the moment his expo went up and died to an SCV all-in then everyone would know why he lost, but when it happens to other races people here are so oblivious...
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1354
On April 18 2011 04:09 BroodjeBaller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:05 mizU wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 najreteip wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote:
Now tell me toss isn't op...

toss isn't op


Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units.
4-gate = lots of units.

but you dont tech when you 4gate?


Goody tried to tech and expand...
Naniwa 4-gated.

Goody didn't have many units.
Naniwa had a lot of units.

Toss is obviously OP cuz they win with more units... /sarcasm
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Tonkerchen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
680 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 19:11:36
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1355
;I
lol what did i just see? funny game hahaha gj both
though goody was too greedy... should've used a scan since there was no nexus at natural. 2 more bunker + mule abuse from 2nd CC = gg no re
The time is just an illusion... created by mankind... /// Lee Young Ho last Bonjwa on earth! /// «I'll... destroy everyone in 2009. Ok...? Thank you.» - Ma Jae Yoon - Maestro Of Zerg
starcraft2rush
Profile Joined February 2011
306 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1356
On April 18 2011 04:10 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:05 Zakarummx wrote:
Playing shit an still win

THIS IS 4GATE


1. Goody pulled all of his workers = no income for a good minute or two one of the gateway was cancelled = more money for toss
2. Goody pulls more scvs to go for the bunker rush = even less mining time
3. with minimal mining time and already at a disadvantage Goody tried to expand and tech at the same time...

So to you and all complaining about 4gate and imbalance, if Naniwa couldn't kill him with an all in giving those circumstances THEN they game would be imbalanced... Balance QQ in these threads is absolutely retarded. Biased idiots spewing bullshit and crying about balance, its fucking disgusting


i agree.. I thought moderators would be more on top of balance QQers dumbing down the convo in these LR threads.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1357
On April 18 2011 04:09 425kid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:08 Mordiford wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:06 Firebolt145 wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 mizU wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:05 najreteip wrote:
On April 18 2011 04:04 Art.FeeL wrote:
Now tell me toss isn't op...

toss isn't op


Generally when you try and tech and expand, you don't have many units.
4-gate = lots of units.

...He cancelled the expand though.


I don't think he cancelled the expansion, he had it completed but doing nothing because the units were at his front door, that's 400 minerals that could have been marines.

Goody should have figured that after that point, Naniwa would have had very few options, one of which would have been a 4 gate. He should have played defensively instead of getting greedy.

Throwing down an extra barracks, producing some marines or marauders and then throwing down that expansion might have been more effective, not sure.

he cancelled...


Naniwa cancelled his, I was talking about Goody, he had a Command Center sitting in his base being useless. I'm pretty sure, but I could be wrong.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 19:12:44
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1358
On April 18 2011 04:07 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:05 teamsolid wrote:
Normally, I hate watching 4-gates, but that build was just genius. So many mind games going on there. Very good response from Naniwa.



Haha, what build?

The fail proxy gate, forget to cancel your proxy gate when it's getting killed, then expand, but cancel because 4 marines are coming, then 4 gate and win?

that build?

Silly game, you're better than this goody!

It wasn't a failed proxy gate at all, seeing as how Goody's mining was interrupted for the whole 2-3 minutes at the cost of 1 gateway + pylon. The expand + cancel made Goody think Naniwa was going for another safe build like game 2. Also, the bunker + scv pull + 4 marines at the opposite end of the map.

It's like the MC 4-gate, the expansion is so deceptive.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1359
I can't believe people are derailling this awesome LR thread with such stupid balance comments...

o choro é livre
VEReHrT
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada121 Posts
April 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#1360
On April 18 2011 04:11 wo1fwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 04:09 SmoKim wrote:
no one reads the big white warning from the mod
I was just thinking this How do people miss that?


They don't, they just consider themselves above it.
As long as we keep our passion as progamers, we will always have an opportunity to meet again. On a purely personal note, I'd like to show him the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. SlayerS_BoxeR
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