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zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
April 14 2011 09:07 GMT
#12181
Seriously stop mentioning that he scouted the wrong base first. It would have been too late anyways even if he scouted it becoz he sent the probe after 13 gate ._.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 09:12:20
April 14 2011 09:11 GMT
#12182
On April 14 2011 16:25 tarath wrote:
omg so epic. MC is such a boss.

Great casting as well, apollo + dimaga are as good as any pair of casters out there. I really think I like apollo casting a ton, him + day9 was assume too.

Casting was bias as hell but whatever. Just listen to DEMUSLIM get all excited about proxy 2 until he realizes MC is doing it LOL. At first he thought it was whitera and genius move then is like oh its MC. Not to mention saying MC was destroyed first 2 when white won by skin of his teeth.
MC for president
exltus
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic100 Posts
April 14 2011 09:17 GMT
#12183
where are all vods? like MC vs idra or MC vs whitera?
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
April 14 2011 09:25 GMT
#12184
Congrats to MC and the tournament looked great. Would have been better if the casting wasn't so bias.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 09:32:25
April 14 2011 09:30 GMT
#12185
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/spela/article12872243.ab

Aftonbladet just released the vods of the grand finals, and in the comment session the publisher said that they had the most views of the whole paper when they where live, and seeing aftonbladet gets around 1-2 millions unique hits everyday, i would say that pretty good :D


Edit: this is what he said: "Väldigt, väldigt många. Vi var störst på hela sajten igår."

Translation, "Very, very many, we were the biggest on the whole site yesterday"

The question was something like: "How many hits did you have yesterday?"
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
April 14 2011 09:35 GMT
#12186
On April 14 2011 18:30 aderum wrote:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/spela/article12872243.ab

Aftonbladet just released the vods of the grand finals, and in the comment session the publisher said that they had the most views of the whole paper when they where live, and seeing aftonbladet gets around 1-2 millions unique hits everyday, i would say that pretty good :D


Edit: this is what he said: "Väldigt, väldigt många. Vi var störst på hela sajten igår."

Translation, "Very, very many, we were the biggest on the whole site yesterday"

The question was something like: "How many hits did you have yesterday?"

Terrible quality, much better at justin
MC for president
towel
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden156 Posts
April 14 2011 09:43 GMT
#12187
yeah hit justin instead
"Sir we are surrounded! - Exelent, then we can attack in every direction!"
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
April 14 2011 09:54 GMT
#12188
On April 14 2011 17:20 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:24 wxwx wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:08 Stanlot wrote:
On April 14 2011 13:45 Krehlmar wrote:
On April 14 2011 13:11 Ocedic wrote:
On April 14 2011 03:31 Krehlmar wrote:
I don't care what anyone says.

MC did a bullshit move at the end, he was afraid of fighting White-Ra and resorted to cheese instead of doing a controllable game.
Pure bullshit.


You don't care what anyone says because you're wrong. Stop whining, MC won fair and square. Unless you think punishing the same build 5 consecutive times in a row is 'bullshit,' in which case I don't know what to tell you.

I recognize him doing it to win, what is it people don't get about this: Hardly anyone argues he did it in a controlled and tactical fashion. I still think it's an insult to a fellow progamer that you claim you can beat in a skilled fashion and then just circumvent it.

Had MC had some honor or pride he'd had a real game versus White-Ra not a coin flip. It might've been a controlled and anticipated coinflip but it was still a damned coinflip.

Don't blame him for doing whatever it takes to win, but in doing so he's treading the same path as TSL_Rain: It produces boring games and as a spectator what I want is good and exciting games. Having the last game of an awesome tournaments awesome finals be a 3 minute coinflip is not what I as a spectator want and I honestly doupt anyone does.

What? That is exactly not what a coinflip is. Anyone with a pro's level of game sense would have seen White-Ra doing the same build four times in a row. MC had reasonable belief that White-Ra would not deviate in the 5th game and he didn't. Had it been a blind 2 gate proxy on the first game against someone he had never played, then I would agree that it was risky move, but he had 4 games to notice White-Ra's general style of play in addition to their recent TSL games. MC did not blindly pull a cheesy build. White-Ra is an amazing player and one of my favorites but it's his fault and nobody else's that he played predictably and lost the ace match because of it.


Hilarious that some people are believing MC's explanation.

When you proxygate like that, you don't lose when your opponent makes a zealot after core. You lose when your opponent scouts it. And this is MC leaving the game to luck. Luck was on his side because White-Ra did not know that the 3p spawn map became a 2p spawn map.

I will explain it further for some who are still confused...

If you proxy gate, and your opponent makes a zealot, it doesn't matter! He spent money on gas/cybercore while you are pumping zealots in his base out of 2 gateways. You still win.

Do you see Proxy-gates on 4p maps such as Lost temple, tal'darim, terminus RE? No! How can you proxy gate if you don't know where your opponent spawns? This is the reason White-Ra lost the game. He thought a proxy-gate was outside the realm of possibility! He even checked the empty spawn with his scouting probe, not knowing this map had been edited to become a 2p map!



Well then, WhiteRa thought wrong. Who's fault is that? lol

Just for the record, I seriously doubt WhiteRa would've changed up his build or his scouting pattern if he had known the map was a fixed spawn. I mean, he's done it four times in a row in previous games, so why change now? MC played the game as it's designed to do, which is to play the strategy that gives you the best chance of winning, period.


Yes! Exactly my point! The game was entirely White-Ra's fault. The result of the game rested upon White-Ra. If he had known it was 2p spawn, it would have been completely different. A lot of people take a short detour with their 12 gate scout to check for proxies in 2p maps.
noaki
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany145 Posts
April 14 2011 10:09 GMT
#12189
well yeah, skipping a zealot every time is pretty risky/cheesy, too.

on mc's twitter he postet sth about it, but the google translation isn't that clear. maybe sb could translate his post?

+ Show Spoiler +
누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고


chrome translates to:

+ Show Spoiler +
Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me, complaining that five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul white, and I hope that it did was build with the build of the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 14 2011 10:40 GMT
#12190
On April 14 2011 19:09 noaki wrote:
well yeah, skipping a zealot every time is pretty risky/cheesy, too.

on mc's twitter he postet sth about it, but the google translation isn't that clear. maybe sb could translate his post?

+ Show Spoiler +
누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고


chrome translates to:

+ Show Spoiler +
Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me, complaining that five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul white, and I hope that it did was build with the build of the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo


MC just tweeted:
I wish somebody to translate what I'm tweeting now for the foreign fans who are BM'ing me.
White-Ra kept using the same starting build 5 consecutive times, and I just couldn't help countering it. What's wrong with this? I did the proxy 'cause I knew White-ra wouldn't produce the first zealot at all. Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game? I was so confident about the proxy at that moment.

I only did the best to win the game since I'm a pro. BTW the airplane has been delayed and I've been waiting here Turkey with Jinro and Huk. TT I can't wait to return to my home country.

A funny thing is, Jinro and I came here without a Visa while Huk made one, which had Huk waste $200. lol. Jinro also was cheated in Sweden. What a bad day for them.



From an earlier post.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 11:52:27
April 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#12191
Dreamhack showing how proper streaming and event management is done.

Like a boss! All those american leaques/tournaments can learn ALOT from these guys.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Skydancer
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 11:56:27
April 14 2011 11:56 GMT
#12192
Go MC you are the best... why the rest of the world QQ you win every tournay!
What a boss! GGOGOGOGOGO

There's nobody like you that push SC2 so forward to perfection! It's up to blizzard change eventualy the game, not to players!

They simply had to play at their best to win.
MMA | MC | Dear
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
April 14 2011 12:08 GMT
#12193
MC 6:2 Ra in real game
Bomber 8:2 Ra in real game ($225)

and Mc EVEN tried not to use 4gate for fans + whitera have never held Mc's 4gate before.

simply Ra isn't on the same level. he lost to every top Korean.
You know what I'm talking about
epik151
Profile Joined February 2008
312 Posts
April 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#12194
Things get lost in translation.

I hope someone tells MC that his foreign fans are on his side it's only the inbreds who are whining about it.
Nifel
Profile Joined June 2010
706 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 12:21:34
April 14 2011 12:20 GMT
#12195
On April 14 2011 21:08 namedplayer wrote:
MC 6:2 Ra in real game
Bomber 8:2 Ra in real game ($225)

and Mc EVEN tried not to use 4gate for fans + whitera have never held Mc's 4gate before.

simply Ra isn't on the same level. he lost to every top Korean.


No foreigner is. But yeah, I'm sure that deep inside most people already knew that. White-Ra is such a likable fellow though. All things considered he's had it pretty rough. Constantly being in the top but never seem to reach all the way in the largest tournaments. As much as I am impressed by and respect the Korean players, at least this time I cheered for and put my hopes on White-Ra. What little common sense I had tried its best to tell me it was in vain. :D
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
April 14 2011 12:26 GMT
#12196
On April 14 2011 21:20 Nifel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 21:08 namedplayer wrote:
MC 6:2 Ra in real game
Bomber 8:2 Ra in real game ($225)

and Mc EVEN tried not to use 4gate for fans + whitera have never held Mc's 4gate before.

simply Ra isn't on the same level. he lost to every top Korean.


No foreigner is. But yeah, I'm sure that deep inside most people already knew that. White-Ra is such a likable fellow though. All things considered he's had it pretty rough. Constantly being in the top but never seem to reach all the way in the largest tournaments. As much as I am impressed by and respect the Korean players, at least this time I cheered for and put my hopes on White-Ra. What little common sense I had tried its best to tell me it was in vain. :D


No korean is either
ANd congrats to MC, your the man!! :D
Always look on the bright side of life
Darthigor
Profile Joined March 2011
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 12:39:39
April 14 2011 12:29 GMT
#12197
Damn, because of those fanboys stupid whining, a good impression which White-Ra left in dreamhack with his love to community and good manners with the opponents is now gone
White-Ra played good enough in this tournament, 2-0 every opponent, and 3-2 in final match. Thats impressive result! Yea, it's unfortunate that he lost, but lose is lose, he should practice more PvP next time and show us even better games ^^

And gratz to MC, he is really a protoss god
Great tournament overall!
vebis
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 12:31:23
April 14 2011 12:31 GMT
#12198
I would like to thank the host, casters, the crew and of course the players for this great piece of entertainment!
Coolwhip
Profile Joined March 2011
927 Posts
April 14 2011 12:38 GMT
#12199
I think everything has been said by now. I just want to add that I hate the word 'cheese' in general (not on pizza). It's all in the game.

If everyone would do a standard macro game every time, do you know how freaking boring that would be?
shappens
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)137 Posts
April 14 2011 12:47 GMT
#12200
Game is game. No objection for MC played to win it.
But TBH seeing Whaite-Ra's face is a tense.

Is he surely OK for living even without that 15K?
With his lovely wife??

He looks like a man living next door, white^^ though~~~

Heard he has another normal job, correct?
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