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kawaiiryuko
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:23:12
April 14 2011 00:18 GMT
#12141
On April 14 2011 08:53 sleigh bells wrote:
they should play a game while hiding who is who. people won't know whether to be upset or marvel at the gutsy play by "player 1"


Because we'll never figure out who is who in that Idra vs MC match, right?

MC just tweeted:

누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고

난 프로니까 이기는 게임을 한것뿐 그리고 지금은 비행기가 늦어져서 터키에서 헉과 진로와 기다리는중.. ㅜㅜ 빨리 한국 가고싶어

재밌는 사실은 나랑 진로는 터키에 비자없이 들어왔는데 헉은 비자를 만들었다 쌩돈 20만원가량을 날린셈 ㅋㅋ 진로는 스웨덴에서 사기도 당하고 오늘 일진참 사나웠다

(which according to google translate is:

Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me complaining that I wish White had five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul build I did was build with it, the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo

I'm a professional, but did win the game, and now the delay in the flight path and Waiting heokgwa in Turkey .. ㅜ ㅜ Korea want to go fast

Career interesting fact with me that I've been to Turkey without a visa for a visa made ​​heokeun to about 200,000 won nalrinsem ssaengdon ㅋ ㅋ career also been buying in Sweden today, or was iljincham)

Anyone wanna provide a better translation?

EDIT: to add in most recent tweet)
hugge
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden19 Posts
April 14 2011 00:35 GMT
#12142
Sup community, ive snapped a few pictures from the event itself and also a few shots from the afterparty with all the players, crew and the audience. Sorry for the mediocre image-quality but my camera and i wasnt really feeling it.

Feel free to contact me if you spot yourself anywhere and want the original high-res photo without watermarks, no fee ofc.

Pictures can be found at

https://picasaweb.google.com/113356004451140684512/DreamhackStockholmInvitational#

and if you missed my pictures from the Jinro Meetup at arlanda they can be found at the link below.

https://picasaweb.google.com/113356004451140684512/WelcomeHomeJinro#

Enjoy.
arumi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 00:47:31
April 14 2011 00:40 GMT
#12143
On April 14 2011 09:18 kawaiiryuko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 08:53 sleigh bells wrote:
they should play a game while hiding who is who. people won't know whether to be upset or marvel at the gutsy play by "player 1"


Because we'll never figure out who is who in that Idra vs MC match, right?

MC just tweeted:

누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고

난 프로니까 이기는 게임을 한것뿐 그리고 지금은 비행기가 늦어져서 터키에서 헉과 진로와 기다리는중.. ㅜㅜ 빨리 한국 가고싶어

재밌는 사실은 나랑 진로는 터키에 비자없이 들어왔는데 헉은 비자를 만들었다 쌩돈 20만원가량을 날린셈 ㅋㅋ 진로는 스웨덴에서 사기도 당하고 오늘 일진참 사나웠다

(which according to google translate is:

Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me complaining that I wish White had five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul build I did was build with it, the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo

I'm a professional, but did win the game, and now the delay in the flight path and Waiting heokgwa in Turkey .. ㅜ ㅜ Korea want to go fast

Career interesting fact with me that I've been to Turkey without a visa for a visa made ​​heokeun to about 200,000 won nalrinsem ssaengdon ㅋ ㅋ career also been buying in Sweden today, or was iljincham)

Anyone wanna provide a better translation?

EDIT: to add in most recent tweet)


MC just tweeted:
I wish somebody to translate what I'm tweeting now for the foreign fans who are BM'ing me.
White-Ra kept using the same starting build 5 consecutive times, and I just couldn't help countering it. What's wrong with this? I did the proxy 'cause I knew White-ra wouldn't produce the first zealot at all. Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game? I was so confident about the proxy at that moment.

I only did the best to win the game since I'm a pro. BTW the airplane has been delayed and I've been waiting here Turkey with Jinro and Huk. TT I can't wait to return to my home country.

A funny thing is, Jinro and I came here without a Visa while Huk made one, which had Huk waste $200. lol. Jinro also was cheated in Sweden. What a bad day for them.



koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
April 14 2011 00:41 GMT
#12144
lol... whitera's pvt is good, but he got owned 2-8 against ST_bomber on the same korean server in 2 showmatches LOL, while MC 3-2'ed ST_bomber in another tournament
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
April 14 2011 01:07 GMT
#12145
Anyone else think that host guy was kind of a douchebag? I cringed every time he was on the screen.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 14 2011 01:10 GMT
#12146
On April 14 2011 09:40 arumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:18 kawaiiryuko wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:53 sleigh bells wrote:
they should play a game while hiding who is who. people won't know whether to be upset or marvel at the gutsy play by "player 1"


Because we'll never figure out who is who in that Idra vs MC match, right?

MC just tweeted:

누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고

난 프로니까 이기는 게임을 한것뿐 그리고 지금은 비행기가 늦어져서 터키에서 헉과 진로와 기다리는중.. ㅜㅜ 빨리 한국 가고싶어

재밌는 사실은 나랑 진로는 터키에 비자없이 들어왔는데 헉은 비자를 만들었다 쌩돈 20만원가량을 날린셈 ㅋㅋ 진로는 스웨덴에서 사기도 당하고 오늘 일진참 사나웠다

(which according to google translate is:

Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me complaining that I wish White had five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul build I did was build with it, the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo

I'm a professional, but did win the game, and now the delay in the flight path and Waiting heokgwa in Turkey .. ㅜ ㅜ Korea want to go fast

Career interesting fact with me that I've been to Turkey without a visa for a visa made ​​heokeun to about 200,000 won nalrinsem ssaengdon ㅋ ㅋ career also been buying in Sweden today, or was iljincham)

Anyone wanna provide a better translation?

EDIT: to add in most recent tweet)


MC just tweeted:
I wish somebody to translate what I'm tweeting now for the foreign fans who are BM'ing me.
White-Ra kept using the same starting build 5 consecutive times, and I just couldn't help countering it. What's wrong with this? I did the proxy 'cause I knew White-ra wouldn't produce the first zealot at all. Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game? I was so confident about the proxy at that moment.

I only did the best to win the game since I'm a pro. BTW the airplane has been delayed and I've been waiting here Turkey with Jinro and Huk. TT I can't wait to return to my home country.

A funny thing is, Jinro and I came here without a Visa while Huk made one, which had Huk waste $200. lol. Jinro also was cheated in Sweden. What a bad day for them.





Thanks for the translation. Nice to see MC pretty much confirm what any logical person has been saying to the naysayers since the final game.
fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
April 14 2011 01:20 GMT
#12147
I agree that the VOD times just added to the top of the thread should be spoilered. Also, thanks for the translation of MC's tweet.
kawaiiryuko
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States368 Posts
April 14 2011 01:26 GMT
#12148
On April 14 2011 09:40 arumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:18 kawaiiryuko wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:53 sleigh bells wrote:
they should play a game while hiding who is who. people won't know whether to be upset or marvel at the gutsy play by "player 1"


Because we'll never figure out who is who in that Idra vs MC match, right?

MC just tweeted:

누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고

난 프로니까 이기는 게임을 한것뿐 그리고 지금은 비행기가 늦어져서 터키에서 헉과 진로와 기다리는중.. ㅜㅜ 빨리 한국 가고싶어

재밌는 사실은 나랑 진로는 터키에 비자없이 들어왔는데 헉은 비자를 만들었다 쌩돈 20만원가량을 날린셈 ㅋㅋ 진로는 스웨덴에서 사기도 당하고 오늘 일진참 사나웠다

(which according to google translate is:

Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me complaining that I wish White had five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul build I did was build with it, the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo

I'm a professional, but did win the game, and now the delay in the flight path and Waiting heokgwa in Turkey .. ㅜ ㅜ Korea want to go fast

Career interesting fact with me that I've been to Turkey without a visa for a visa made ​​heokeun to about 200,000 won nalrinsem ssaengdon ㅋ ㅋ career also been buying in Sweden today, or was iljincham)

Anyone wanna provide a better translation?

EDIT: to add in most recent tweet)


MC just tweeted:
I wish somebody to translate what I'm tweeting now for the foreign fans who are BM'ing me.
White-Ra kept using the same starting build 5 consecutive times, and I just couldn't help countering it. What's wrong with this? I did the proxy 'cause I knew White-ra wouldn't produce the first zealot at all. Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game? I was so confident about the proxy at that moment.

I only did the best to win the game since I'm a pro. BTW the airplane has been delayed and I've been waiting here Turkey with Jinro and Huk. TT I can't wait to return to my home country.

A funny thing is, Jinro and I came here without a Visa while Huk made one, which had Huk waste $200. lol. Jinro also was cheated in Sweden. What a bad day for them.





Sweet! Thanks so much for the translation!
sleigh bells
Profile Joined April 2011
United States358 Posts
April 14 2011 01:31 GMT
#12149
On April 14 2011 10:07 AndAgain wrote:
Anyone else think that host guy was kind of a douchebag? I cringed every time he was on the screen.

yeah he has the same look as the MLG guy. not gonna complain about it much tho, so what if older total bros are sponsoring e-sports?
Sup son? ¯\__(ツ)__/¯
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
April 14 2011 01:48 GMT
#12150
just finished with the vods....simply amazing by far one of the best if not the best tournament to date. can't really name best so top 2-3 for sure :D can't wait for DH summer
champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
April 14 2011 02:12 GMT
#12151
On April 14 2011 09:40 arumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:18 kawaiiryuko wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:53 sleigh bells wrote:
they should play a game while hiding who is who. people won't know whether to be upset or marvel at the gutsy play by "player 1"


Because we'll never figure out who is who in that Idra vs MC match, right?

MC just tweeted:

누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고

난 프로니까 이기는 게임을 한것뿐 그리고 지금은 비행기가 늦어져서 터키에서 헉과 진로와 기다리는중.. ㅜㅜ 빨리 한국 가고싶어

재밌는 사실은 나랑 진로는 터키에 비자없이 들어왔는데 헉은 비자를 만들었다 쌩돈 20만원가량을 날린셈 ㅋㅋ 진로는 스웨덴에서 사기도 당하고 오늘 일진참 사나웠다

(which according to google translate is:

Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me complaining that I wish White had five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul build I did was build with it, the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo

I'm a professional, but did win the game, and now the delay in the flight path and Waiting heokgwa in Turkey .. ㅜ ㅜ Korea want to go fast

Career interesting fact with me that I've been to Turkey without a visa for a visa made ​​heokeun to about 200,000 won nalrinsem ssaengdon ㅋ ㅋ career also been buying in Sweden today, or was iljincham)

Anyone wanna provide a better translation?

EDIT: to add in most recent tweet)


MC just tweeted:
I wish somebody to translate what I'm tweeting now for the foreign fans who are BM'ing me.
White-Ra kept using the same starting build 5 consecutive times, and I just couldn't help countering it. What's wrong with this? I did the proxy 'cause I knew White-ra wouldn't produce the first zealot at all. Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game? I was so confident about the proxy at that moment.

I only did the best to win the game since I'm a pro. BTW the airplane has been delayed and I've been waiting here Turkey with Jinro and Huk. TT I can't wait to return to my home country.

A funny thing is, Jinro and I came here without a Visa while Huk made one, which had Huk waste $200. lol. Jinro also was cheated in Sweden. What a bad day for them.




Thanks very much for translation! Good to see MC confirm what many people already speculated.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
April 14 2011 02:57 GMT
#12152
On April 14 2011 11:12 Stanlot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 09:40 arumi wrote:
On April 14 2011 09:18 kawaiiryuko wrote:
On April 14 2011 08:53 sleigh bells wrote:
they should play a game while hiding who is who. people won't know whether to be upset or marvel at the gutsy play by "player 1"


Because we'll never figure out who is who in that Idra vs MC match, right?

MC just tweeted:

누가 영어로 해석해서 나를 욕하는 외국인에게 보여줬으면 좋겠다 화이트라는 5판연속같은빌드를 했고 난 그 빌드의 카운터빌드를 했을뿐인데 그걸 가지고 치즈라니 질럿 안뽑고 시작하니까 전진게이트를 하지... 천칠백만원짜리 게임인데 확신이있으니깐 한거고

난 프로니까 이기는 게임을 한것뿐 그리고 지금은 비행기가 늦어져서 터키에서 헉과 진로와 기다리는중.. ㅜㅜ 빨리 한국 가고싶어

재밌는 사실은 나랑 진로는 터키에 비자없이 들어왔는데 헉은 비자를 만들었다 쌩돈 20만원가량을 날린셈 ㅋㅋ 진로는 스웨덴에서 사기도 당하고 오늘 일진참 사나웠다

(which according to google translate is:

Analysis of English and foreign, who showed it to me complaining that I wish White had five panyeonsokgateunbildeureul build I did was build with it, the cheese counter Rani anppopgo zealots start gate is not forward because ... Roll, the game is a sure cheonchilbaekmanwonjjari hangeogo

I'm a professional, but did win the game, and now the delay in the flight path and Waiting heokgwa in Turkey .. ㅜ ㅜ Korea want to go fast

Career interesting fact with me that I've been to Turkey without a visa for a visa made ​​heokeun to about 200,000 won nalrinsem ssaengdon ㅋ ㅋ career also been buying in Sweden today, or was iljincham)

Anyone wanna provide a better translation?

EDIT: to add in most recent tweet)


MC just tweeted:
I wish somebody to translate what I'm tweeting now for the foreign fans who are BM'ing me.
White-Ra kept using the same starting build 5 consecutive times, and I just couldn't help countering it. What's wrong with this? I did the proxy 'cause I knew White-ra wouldn't produce the first zealot at all. Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game? I was so confident about the proxy at that moment.

I only did the best to win the game since I'm a pro. BTW the airplane has been delayed and I've been waiting here Turkey with Jinro and Huk. TT I can't wait to return to my home country.

A funny thing is, Jinro and I came here without a Visa while Huk made one, which had Huk waste $200. lol. Jinro also was cheated in Sweden. What a bad day for them.




Thanks very much for translation! Good to see MC confirm what many people already speculated.


And I really hate to see MC realizes the undeserved hate he's getting from foreigner fans. I'll again point out the irony that he told the fans at Dreamhack that he wishes Korean fans were as enthusiastic. I guess MC is smart enough to realize there's trolls and haters everywhere.
AzureD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 03:34:29
April 14 2011 03:34 GMT
#12153
MC won that game because WhiteRa did a predictable build.

Would you be complaining if it was Nexus first every game that WhitRa did and he somehow lost doing it? WhiteRa had critical weaknesses in his very build which he showed to MC in 4 games prior. MC exploited the weaknesses of his build.

WhiteRa often makes late Gateways, scouts late, and often skips the first Zealot. Recipe for a proxy.
Although this was compounded by errors in his play that game by not scouting his base and scouting an area he could not be in.

MC doing that play was excellent and had a lot less risk than you may think. He did the build knowing his opponent.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
April 14 2011 04:11 GMT
#12154
On April 14 2011 03:31 Krehlmar wrote:
I don't care what anyone says.

MC did a bullshit move at the end, he was afraid of fighting White-Ra and resorted to cheese instead of doing a controllable game.
Pure bullshit.


You don't care what anyone says because you're wrong. Stop whining, MC won fair and square. Unless you think punishing the same build 5 consecutive times in a row is 'bullshit,' in which case I don't know what to tell you.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
April 14 2011 04:45 GMT
#12155
On April 14 2011 13:11 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 03:31 Krehlmar wrote:
I don't care what anyone says.

MC did a bullshit move at the end, he was afraid of fighting White-Ra and resorted to cheese instead of doing a controllable game.
Pure bullshit.


You don't care what anyone says because you're wrong. Stop whining, MC won fair and square. Unless you think punishing the same build 5 consecutive times in a row is 'bullshit,' in which case I don't know what to tell you.

I recognize him doing it to win, what is it people don't get about this: Hardly anyone argues he did it in a controlled and tactical fashion. I still think it's an insult to a fellow progamer that you claim you can beat in a skilled fashion and then just circumvent it.

Had MC had some honor or pride he'd had a real game versus White-Ra not a coin flip. It might've been a controlled and anticipated coinflip but it was still a damned coinflip.

Don't blame him for doing whatever it takes to win, but in doing so he's treading the same path as TSL_Rain: It produces boring games and as a spectator what I want is good and exciting games. Having the last game of an awesome tournaments awesome finals be a 3 minute coinflip is not what I as a spectator want and I honestly doupt anyone does.
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AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
April 14 2011 05:05 GMT
#12156
On April 14 2011 13:45 Krehlmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 13:11 Ocedic wrote:
On April 14 2011 03:31 Krehlmar wrote:
I don't care what anyone says.

MC did a bullshit move at the end, he was afraid of fighting White-Ra and resorted to cheese instead of doing a controllable game.
Pure bullshit.


You don't care what anyone says because you're wrong. Stop whining, MC won fair and square. Unless you think punishing the same build 5 consecutive times in a row is 'bullshit,' in which case I don't know what to tell you.

I recognize him doing it to win, what is it people don't get about this: Hardly anyone argues he did it in a controlled and tactical fashion. I still think it's an insult to a fellow progamer that you claim you can beat in a skilled fashion and then just circumvent it.

Had MC had some honor or pride he'd had a real game versus White-Ra not a coin flip. It might've been a controlled and anticipated coinflip but it was still a damned coinflip.

Don't blame him for doing whatever it takes to win, but in doing so he's treading the same path as TSL_Rain: It produces boring games and as a spectator what I want is good and exciting games. Having the last game of an awesome tournaments awesome finals be a 3 minute coinflip is not what I as a spectator want and I honestly doupt anyone does.


I think it's an insult to not use the strategy which you think will give you the highest chance of winning- which is obviously what MC believed about his cheese build. Also, great macro games have to come out naturally and not because of some arbitrary principles the players have set for themselves.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
April 14 2011 05:08 GMT
#12157
On April 14 2011 13:45 Krehlmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 13:11 Ocedic wrote:
On April 14 2011 03:31 Krehlmar wrote:
I don't care what anyone says.

MC did a bullshit move at the end, he was afraid of fighting White-Ra and resorted to cheese instead of doing a controllable game.
Pure bullshit.


You don't care what anyone says because you're wrong. Stop whining, MC won fair and square. Unless you think punishing the same build 5 consecutive times in a row is 'bullshit,' in which case I don't know what to tell you.

I recognize him doing it to win, what is it people don't get about this: Hardly anyone argues he did it in a controlled and tactical fashion. I still think it's an insult to a fellow progamer that you claim you can beat in a skilled fashion and then just circumvent it.

Had MC had some honor or pride he'd had a real game versus White-Ra not a coin flip. It might've been a controlled and anticipated coinflip but it was still a damned coinflip.

Don't blame him for doing whatever it takes to win, but in doing so he's treading the same path as TSL_Rain: It produces boring games and as a spectator what I want is good and exciting games. Having the last game of an awesome tournaments awesome finals be a 3 minute coinflip is not what I as a spectator want and I honestly doupt anyone does.

What? That is exactly not what a coinflip is. Anyone with a pro's level of game sense would have seen White-Ra doing the same build four times in a row. MC had reasonable belief that White-Ra would not deviate in the 5th game and he didn't. Had it been a blind 2 gate proxy on the first game against someone he had never played, then I would agree that it was risky move, but he had 4 games to notice White-Ra's general style of play in addition to their recent TSL games. MC did not blindly pull a cheesy build. White-Ra is an amazing player and one of my favorites but it's his fault and nobody else's that he played predictably and lost the ace match because of it.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
April 14 2011 05:11 GMT
#12158
On April 14 2011 14:08 Stanlot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 13:45 Krehlmar wrote:
On April 14 2011 13:11 Ocedic wrote:
On April 14 2011 03:31 Krehlmar wrote:
I don't care what anyone says.

MC did a bullshit move at the end, he was afraid of fighting White-Ra and resorted to cheese instead of doing a controllable game.
Pure bullshit.


You don't care what anyone says because you're wrong. Stop whining, MC won fair and square. Unless you think punishing the same build 5 consecutive times in a row is 'bullshit,' in which case I don't know what to tell you.

I recognize him doing it to win, what is it people don't get about this: Hardly anyone argues he did it in a controlled and tactical fashion. I still think it's an insult to a fellow progamer that you claim you can beat in a skilled fashion and then just circumvent it.

Had MC had some honor or pride he'd had a real game versus White-Ra not a coin flip. It might've been a controlled and anticipated coinflip but it was still a damned coinflip.

Don't blame him for doing whatever it takes to win, but in doing so he's treading the same path as TSL_Rain: It produces boring games and as a spectator what I want is good and exciting games. Having the last game of an awesome tournaments awesome finals be a 3 minute coinflip is not what I as a spectator want and I honestly doupt anyone does.

What? That is exactly not what a coinflip is. Anyone with a pro's level of game sense would have seen White-Ra doing the same build four times in a row. MC had reasonable belief that White-Ra would not deviate in the 5th game and he didn't. Had it been a blind 2 gate proxy on the first game against someone he had never played, then I would agree that it was risky move, but he had 4 games to notice White-Ra's general style of play in addition to their recent TSL games. MC did not blindly pull a cheesy build. White-Ra is an amazing player and one of my favorites but it's his fault and nobody else's that he played predictably and lost the ace match because of it.

In what way, was it not a coinflip, when it all came down to MC hoping White-Ra would not scout it?
It wasn't "Risky" It was a godamned coinflip... stop defending MC as if he needs it, he's 15 000$ richer and happier for doing it. Still a dull game and a sad ending to what was else a superb tournament.
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DeathPengu
Profile Joined January 2011
Taiwan137 Posts
April 14 2011 05:13 GMT
#12159
On April 14 2011 09:40 arumi wrote:
MC just tweeted:
I wish somebody to translate what I'm tweeting now for the foreign fans who are BM'ing me.
White-Ra kept using the same starting build 5 consecutive times, and I just couldn't help countering it. What's wrong with this? I did the proxy 'cause I knew White-ra wouldn't produce the first zealot at all. Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game? I was so confident about the proxy at that moment.

I only did the best to win the game since I'm a pro. BTW the airplane has been delayed and I've been waiting here Turkey with Jinro and Huk. TT I can't wait to return to my home country.

A funny thing is, Jinro and I came here without a Visa while Huk made one, which had Huk waste $200. lol. Jinro also was cheated in Sweden. What a bad day for them.


Thank you so much for translation!

"Do you really think I just gambled in the $15000 game?" lol. MC, what a frank man. Not only a good protoss player, but also a good pro-player.
Welmu
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Finland3295 Posts
April 14 2011 05:17 GMT
#12160
WhiteRa's one weakness is his predictability. I have also done proxy gateways against him couple times since I know he will scout at 13 and doesn't scout usual proxy locations. Both times I just rolled him easily. I hope he starts mixing up his play ^_^
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