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ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
April 11 2011 09:41 GMT
#3321
NaDa recently won a showmatch against MC, he's definetely not lacking in training otherwise he would never pull that off against a two-time GSL champion, that of course doesn't mean that other things didn't take their tool.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 11 2011 09:50 GMT
#3322
On April 11 2011 18:41 ftd.rain wrote:
NaDa recently won a showmatch against MC, he's definetely not lacking in training otherwise he would never pull that off against a two-time GSL champion, that of course doesn't mean that other things didn't take their tool.

woot? where? how did i even miss that?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 11 2011 09:51 GMT
#3323
On April 11 2011 18:50 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 18:41 ftd.rain wrote:
NaDa recently won a showmatch against MC, he's definetely not lacking in training otherwise he would never pull that off against a two-time GSL champion, that of course doesn't mean that other things didn't take their tool.

woot? where? how did i even miss that?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208004
Prostak
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland192 Posts
April 11 2011 10:00 GMT
#3324
Kas ♥ Thorzain ♥
superb class!
Go!
♥ EmpireHappy, roxkisBratOK, imbaFXOStrelok EmpireNerchio, MǂStephano, mTwDIMAGA dignitasNaniwa, aTnSocke, DuckloadRa ♥
Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
April 11 2011 10:06 GMT
#3325
On April 11 2011 18:41 ftd.rain wrote:
NaDa recently won a showmatch against MC, he's definetely not lacking in training otherwise he would never pull that off against a two-time GSL champion, that of course doesn't mean that other things didn't take their tool.

You can't be serious considering that as a feat for Nada right? Did you watch those games?
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
April 11 2011 10:31 GMT
#3326
On April 11 2011 19:06 Resolve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 18:41 ftd.rain wrote:
NaDa recently won a showmatch against MC, he's definetely not lacking in training otherwise he would never pull that off against a two-time GSL champion, that of course doesn't mean that other things didn't take their tool.

You can't be serious considering that as a feat for Nada right? Did you watch those games?


Can you summarize the match, please?

(I didn't watch them.)
PoisedYeTi
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia167 Posts
April 11 2011 10:36 GMT
#3327
Wow, didn't expect empire.Kas to take that series
Great matches today.
"Just read game like book" -WhiteRa
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
April 11 2011 10:38 GMT
#3328
On April 11 2011 19:31 MrSexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 19:06 Resolve wrote:
On April 11 2011 18:41 ftd.rain wrote:
NaDa recently won a showmatch against MC, he's definetely not lacking in training otherwise he would never pull that off against a two-time GSL champion, that of course doesn't mean that other things didn't take their tool.

You can't be serious considering that as a feat for Nada right? Did you watch those games?


Can you summarize the match, please?

(I didn't watch them.)


Can't remember everything that happened but the fact MC went for 1 base carrier + mothership in the deciding game should tell you how serious he was taking it.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
April 11 2011 10:54 GMT
#3329
On April 11 2011 16:20 BryanSC wrote:
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On April 11 2011 16:03 Ezekyle wrote:
On April 11 2011 13:53 Daz89 wrote:
Must say, I haven't seen a huge amount of Kas' games before, but he played incredibly well. People are trying to downplay it saying Nada played badly (which I'll admit, he didn't play his best), but I'd say that was more a factor of the pressure Kas was putting on. Give credit where credit is due.


No, that was just Nada playing really badly. This is someone who can macro pretty much perfectly in BW, which is much harder than SC2, while microing his vultures to kill every drone on the map, and we saw him getting repeatedly supply blocked and not building SCVs, even at times when there was no pressure at all. I really don't think his macro failures were because of Kas being a genius aggressor. Kas outplayed Nada, yes, but that's because Nada played terribly. I'm not saying Kas isn't a good player, mind you, and I'd love to see him play against someone who isn't completely off his game, but you can't just look at him winning in these games and say he played incredibly well - anyone can look unstoppable when their opponent is bad.


Agreed. The fact is that in this series (Kas vs. Nada), Kas got completely outclassed by Nada because Nada was playing like lower class so that means that Nada was stronger in lower classness than Kas, so Kas, in class level, is higher than Nada, although I'm not ready to put Kas as one of the elite players of the world who have a membership in high class. Sup.


Sums it up pretty well
Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
April 11 2011 10:58 GMT
#3330
So didn't expect NaDa to get 3-0'd.
I have a beard. I'm unprofessional.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
April 11 2011 11:02 GMT
#3331
I dont know why everyones so surprised, european TvT has never really looked inferior to korean TvT.
I didnt expect the 3-0 but I didnt think Nada was favourite.
beep boop
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
April 11 2011 11:30 GMT
#3332
On April 11 2011 18:16 Alexl wrote:Unbeatable offline? No offence but he didn't do so well at the only lan i saw him attend (IEM europe, he won his group but then choked iirc) while Adel has every french lan he attended bar two (that were won by lalush and ToD) with a top3 at assembly and top8 at dreamhack (losing 2-1 to ogsTOP)

I made a mistake "Online", sorry dude

I totally agree with your comment on Adelscott:

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Sami`
Profile Joined March 2011
89 Posts
April 11 2011 11:55 GMT
#3333
I was surprised how often qxc was using drops when Adelscott had blink stalkers - seemed rather wreckless.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
April 11 2011 12:14 GMT
#3334
I can feel quite smug that these results were nearly exactly what I expected. I thought Kas would win 3-1, but I was confused by a lot of people thinking him to be the underdog.
Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
April 11 2011 12:17 GMT
#3335
damn nada played incredibly bad..

just watched the vods and it was absolutely frustrating. very bad micro very bad decision making. painful to watch
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
April 11 2011 12:53 GMT
#3336
All Kas needs is more LAN experience imo, hes nearly unbeatable online, but i think he chokes at LANs (IEM - raped group but choked later). When u look at him playing he never looks in danger, a lot like a terran Nestea haha. He expands at reasonable times, gets up turrets at good timings (game 1) and just do not look like he could lose at any point in the game :oo
(>*-*)><( *-* )><(*-*<) DoDTimber on Bnet
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
April 11 2011 13:08 GMT
#3337
On April 11 2011 21:14 The KY wrote:
I can feel quite smug that these results were nearly exactly what I expected. I thought Kas would win 3-1, but I was confused by a lot of people thinking him to be the underdog.


Yeah me too. I did fail the tyler liquibet, but that one was a 50/50 for me so I just went with tyler because he is protoss *trollface*. The others I was pretty sure who would win and all turned out true
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
Starp
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada199 Posts
April 11 2011 13:09 GMT
#3338
After having recently watched a few of EmpireKas' games, it would be great to see him participate in the GSL. He is so good...I'm so impressed. He is very experienced and knowlegeable...a super human computer machine. He would go far without much doubt.
"I am wasting away here...click me" - a big Thor
dragoonier
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany154 Posts
April 11 2011 13:11 GMT
#3339
Kas play was definatly the most refined play I have seen outside from Korea. Everything he did made sense. You could see that he prepared very well on small things like the reaper sniping the scv who was buidling the command center or building the command center outside when he knew that Nada wouldn't attack. Apart from some micro blunders I didn't see any mistakes in his play.
That beeing said, Nada played the worst I've seen by huge margin. His macro was always lacking behind Kas especially in the last game which is very unusal for Nada.
That sums up most of the experience in the Tsl 3 so far. Sure I mostly root for Korean players because I follow the Gsl the most but I don't mind it too much if they lose. But it was very frustrating to watch because most Koreans played like 2 league under normal play.
I hope the next TSL will be better in that regard but there won't be an easy solution except Blizard does somthing which I would not count on.
DoubleB
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany870 Posts
April 11 2011 13:19 GMT
#3340
Yea, the first time I got 100% Liquidbet on Ro16 Day1 and Day2
Im so happy :D I was like: Damn noone voted for ThroZain/Kas but now I'm just glad.
BELIEVE in the EUROPE :D
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