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On April 04 2011 09:23 cujo2k wrote:
O_O I like the extended series concept since it means that every single game in the tournament is meaningful, and throwing games or not revealing your full strategy would probably never be a good idea ><
Don't know why so many people are bitching about it since it's not like Naniwa hasn't earned his 2-0 lead vs Kiwi. I think it's a much better concept than automatically awarding someone a bo5 series lead since they're from the winners bracket instead of the losers bracket.
In the finals extended series are ok.
The problem is applying them in earlier rounds, when both players are in winners or losers bracket and they would only play one normal Bo3 otherwise.
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Poll: If nani wins will you switch to using mouse with left hand?NO (24) 59% YES (17) 41% 41 total votes Your vote: If nani wins will you switch to using mouse with left hand? (Vote): YES
(Vote): NO
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Hope the stream doesn't crash during the finals!
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On April 04 2011 09:18 FarbrorAbavna wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:16 Jnai wrote:
Why are people so down on PvP? There are a ton of strategies in a PvP match: Fun kinds of cheese, Offensive v. Defensive 4gates, 3-Stalker defenses, Blink Stalkers vs. Robo vs. DTs, great positioning wars with Collosi, and lots of "in the dark" play because observers are difficult to keep up.
I'm excited for a great PvP series. and most of all it arguably is the one matchup where micro is more important than any other
Yes, PvP is a much better MU for us spectators than PvT and PvZ. I do not really understand the complaints about PvP knowing how dreadful the PvT and PvZ are. Firstly, the game ends too quick for the Colos to get out which leads to much more fun games to spectate, and secondly there are a lot of micro. The games are intense, and seldomly it ends up with ball vs ball, aka the esports killer. Sure, it is not amazing to watch at all, but still it is not PvT.
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On April 04 2011 09:25 KASPpraetorianGuard wrote:
extended series is so anti-climatic for the final. I didn't see the 2 games they played so it's all new to me. I want to see a best of 7. Not best of WTF extended series.
Then go watch the vods next week.
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On April 04 2011 09:25 DayJP wrote:
you guys think HD or Husky or Psy or any other caster will be allowed to cast some of the MLG games on their youtube channells from the available replays?
I really would like to see more of the fan favorites like incontrol, ret, tyler, huk, idra, more of kiwikaki, etc, and I cant via replays because I dont have access to the MLG map pool =(
Yeah if the replays are released publicly i don't see why not?
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at this point I think question is more "Can KiwiKaki take a game off Naniwa" let alone win the series.
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On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:Poll: What's a better Final?1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106) 66% Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55) 34% 161 total votes Your vote: What's a better Final? (Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2
a bo7 actually A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.
Or get rid of this losers bracket extended series shit
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If Naniwa goes 26-0 it would be the sickest thing ever
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On April 04 2011 09:23 Ghoststrikes wrote:
YOu people don't understand, how fair would it be to Naniwa, if it weren't for the extended series, that he could have gone 24-0 until then finals then lose 2 out of 3 and be 2nd place? He needs to be awarded this sort of advantage, he deserves it, as everyone who comes out of the winner bracket in any tournament.
You know that if kiwi had won 2-0 over nani, but for some reason nani would have come through WB and kiwi LB. Kiwi would have had the lead 2-0 even tho he came from LB. Does that seem fair ?
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On April 04 2011 09:22 bkrow wrote:Seriously as much as i hate complaining; extended series kind of delegitimises this in my mind.. The final of a tournament for $5k and Nani is 2 games up from winners bracket round 1 hmm  If Kiwi pulls this off it will make it so much more epic though 
Well Nani hasn't lost a series and Kiwi has. So even w/o extended series Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3's
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On April 04 2011 09:25 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:23 cujo2k wrote:
O_O I like the extended series concept since it means that every single game in the tournament is meaningful, and throwing games or not revealing your full strategy would probably never be a good idea ><
Don't know why so many people are bitching about it since it's not like Naniwa hasn't earned his 2-0 lead vs Kiwi. I think it's a much better concept than automatically awarding someone a bo5 series lead since they're from the winners bracket instead of the losers bracket.
He earned the 2-0 and then ADVANCED. That's the reward. Why stop the award at games? Why not start him off with extra minerals and extra units? That's right because it's series is meant to be it's OWN thing and not some part of a bigger picture. MLG's format is already garbage, extended series just adds to it a bit more.
It should be like at BlizzCon. Just make it 2 times a Bo5. (Blizzcon is 2 times Bo3 but who can get enough of SCII?)
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On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:Poll: What's a better Final?1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106) 66% Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55) 34% 161 total votes Your vote: What's a better Final? (Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2
a bo7 actually A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.
AND thinking that he has beaten that opponent before during that tourney
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On April 04 2011 09:25 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:23 cujo2k wrote:
O_O I like the extended series concept since it means that every single game in the tournament is meaningful, and throwing games or not revealing your full strategy would probably never be a good idea ><
Don't know why so many people are bitching about it since it's not like Naniwa hasn't earned his 2-0 lead vs Kiwi. I think it's a much better concept than automatically awarding someone a bo5 series lead since they're from the winners bracket instead of the losers bracket.
They are TWO different series; under DIFFERENT circumstances.. The PENALTY for losing against an opponent is going into the LOSERS bracket where you have struggle your way through; but then you come up against the guy again and instead of "well done you battled through so much shit in the losers bracket - good on you" it's "well done - now beat him 4 times before he beats you twice!" It pretty much serves as a double penalty..
How about the winner? He has not lost a single game so far. He can't possibly be eliminated by losing 2 games out of 3, this would be totally unfair compared to everybody ese in the tournament.
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On April 04 2011 09:24 loveeholicce wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:21 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't wanna burst ur protoss OP bubbles but select could have won that game EASILY.
Colossi take a loooong time to build, when select won the battle and pushed kiwi's 3rd he should have just backed up.
Protoss can warp in 10 units at the same time indeed but those units suck vs a big group of terran units.
Instead Select runs in, suicides his army + all his VIKINGS.
He could have just gone back and come 2 mins later with a HUGE army and be up vs 3 colossi at most.
cool I don't get your reasoning. Collosus are a powerful unit but they take a long time to build. Select should have retreated and attacked to give the protoss time to rebuild those collosus. ...? In case you forgot, collosus rape a big group of bio units. Not pointing out imbalance, just saying your reasoning is terrible
Let me explain,
Ofc colossi roll over grouped up bio balls.
But 3 colossi vs 10 vikings are no problem at all (+emps)
Instead select lost like all his vikings and had no chance to ever come back anymore after that point
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On April 04 2011 09:23 Ghoststrikes wrote:
YOu people don't understand, how fair would it be to Naniwa, if it weren't for the extended series, that he could have gone 24-0 until then finals then lose 2 out of 3 and be 2nd place? He needs to be awarded this sort of advantage, he deserves it, as everyone who comes out of the winner bracket in any tournament.
agreed. it's the nature of WB/LB
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On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:Poll: What's a better Final?1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106) 66% Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55) 34% 161 total votes Your vote: What's a better Final? (Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2
a bo7 actually A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.
He already has an advantage without the extended series, though. He has to lose two matches in a row.
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On April 04 2011 09:22 bkrow wrote:Seriously as much as i hate complaining; extended series kind of delegitimises this in my mind.. The final of a tournament for $5k and Nani is 2 games up from winners bracket round 1 hmm If Kiwi pulls this off it will make it so much more epic though
I don't know why people find extended series so difficult to understand.
If you think that tournament results reflect some skill level of each player, and you also think that there is some random variation added to each tournament result, then extended series simply reduce the degree to which tournament results reflect random variation and increase the degree to which they reflect skill. It's simple mathematical fact that can be proven (and has been demonstrated, on this site!) by monte carlo simulations.
Extended series are a much less potent way to reduce random variation than, say, increasing the number of games in a series (from a BO3 to a BO5 to a BO7), but, in effect, they do the same thing.
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On April 04 2011 09:26 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:25 KASPpraetorianGuard wrote:
extended series is so anti-climatic for the final. I didn't see the 2 games they played so it's all new to me. I want to see a best of 7. Not best of WTF extended series. Then go watch the vods next week.
If you don't like it, don't buy our tshirts, don't watch our streams.
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Poll: Which player are you rooting for?Naniwa, beast mode (42) 44% KiwiKaki, Amazing play vs select!!! (36) 38% GOGO NANIWA, MAKE IT 26-1!!! (18) 19% 96 total votes Your vote: Which player are you rooting for? (Vote): Naniwa, beast mode
(Vote): KiwiKaki, Amazing play vs select!!!
(Vote): GOGO NANIWA, MAKE IT 26-1!!!
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On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:Poll: What's a better Final?1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106) 66% Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55) 34% 161 total votes Your vote: What's a better Final? (Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2
a bo7 actually A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.
Indeed, if it wasnt extended series, it would be normal grand finals where if kiwi did win the first bo3, he would have to win another..
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