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Stay on-topic please. Off-topic arguments derailing the thread will not be tolerated.
Next spam post about eagles = ban. We get it, you're funny
Take the eagle stuff here
stop with the bw vs wc3 bullshit please
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16321
On April 04 2011 09:23 cujo2k wrote:
O_O I like the extended series concept since it means that every single game in the tournament is meaningful, and throwing games or not revealing your full strategy would probably never be a good idea ><
Don't know why so many people are bitching about it since it's not like Naniwa hasn't earned his 2-0 lead vs Kiwi. I think it's a much better concept than automatically awarding someone a bo5 series lead since they're from the winners bracket instead of the losers bracket.


In the finals extended series are ok.
The problem is applying them in earlier rounds, when both players are in winners or losers bracket and they would only play one normal Bo3 otherwise.
Kira761
Profile Joined December 2010
United States62 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16322
Poll: If nani wins will you switch to using mouse with left hand?

NO (24)
 
59%

YES (17)
 
41%

41 total votes

Your vote: If nani wins will you switch to using mouse with left hand?

(Vote): YES
(Vote): NO



:D

Hope the stream doesn't crash during the finals!
ye
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16323
On April 04 2011 09:18 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:16 Jnai wrote:
Why are people so down on PvP? There are a ton of strategies in a PvP match: Fun kinds of cheese, Offensive v. Defensive 4gates, 3-Stalker defenses, Blink Stalkers vs. Robo vs. DTs, great positioning wars with Collosi, and lots of "in the dark" play because observers are difficult to keep up.

I'm excited for a great PvP series.

and most of all it arguably is the one matchup where micro is more important than any other

Yes, PvP is a much better MU for us spectators than PvT and PvZ. I do not really understand the complaints about PvP knowing how dreadful the PvT and PvZ are. Firstly, the game ends too quick for the Colos to get out which leads to much more fun games to spectate, and secondly there are a lot of micro. The games are intense, and seldomly it ends up with ball vs ball, aka the esports killer. Sure, it is not amazing to watch at all, but still it is not PvT.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16324
On April 04 2011 09:25 KASPpraetorianGuard wrote:

extended series is so anti-climatic for the final. I didn't see the 2 games they played so it's all new to me. I want to see a best of 7. Not best of WTF extended series.


Then go watch the vods next week.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16325
On April 04 2011 09:25 DayJP wrote:
you guys think HD or Husky or Psy or any other caster will be allowed to cast some of the MLG games on their youtube channells from the available replays?

I really would like to see more of the fan favorites like incontrol, ret, tyler, huk, idra, more of kiwikaki, etc, and I cant via replays because I dont have access to the MLG map pool =(

Yeah if the replays are released publicly i don't see why not?
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Korben
Profile Joined September 2010
United States139 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16326
at this point I think question is more "Can KiwiKaki take a game off Naniwa" let alone win the series.
Pain Heals, Chicks Dig Scars and Glory Lasts Forever.
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16327
On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:
On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:
Poll: What's a better Final?

1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106)
 
66%

Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55)
 
34%

161 total votes

Your vote: What's a better Final?

(Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2




a bo7 actually


A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.


Or get rid of this losers bracket extended series shit
eot
Profile Joined April 2011
146 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16328
If Naniwa goes 26-0 it would be the sickest thing ever
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16329
On April 04 2011 09:23 Ghoststrikes wrote:
YOu people don't understand, how fair would it be to Naniwa, if it weren't for the extended series, that he could have gone 24-0 until then finals then lose 2 out of 3 and be 2nd place? He needs to be awarded this sort of advantage, he deserves it, as everyone who comes out of the winner bracket in any tournament.



You know that if kiwi had won 2-0 over nani, but for some reason nani would have come through WB and kiwi LB. Kiwi would have had the lead 2-0 even tho he came from LB. Does that seem fair ?
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16330
On April 04 2011 09:22 bkrow wrote:
Seriously as much as i hate complaining; extended series kind of delegitimises this in my mind.. The final of a tournament for $5k and Nani is 2 games up from winners bracket round 1 hmm

If Kiwi pulls this off it will make it so much more epic though


Well Nani hasn't lost a series and Kiwi has. So even w/o extended series Kiwi would have to win 2 Bo3's
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16331
On April 04 2011 09:25 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:23 cujo2k wrote:
O_O I like the extended series concept since it means that every single game in the tournament is meaningful, and throwing games or not revealing your full strategy would probably never be a good idea ><
Don't know why so many people are bitching about it since it's not like Naniwa hasn't earned his 2-0 lead vs Kiwi. I think it's a much better concept than automatically awarding someone a bo5 series lead since they're from the winners bracket instead of the losers bracket.


He earned the 2-0 and then ADVANCED. That's the reward. Why stop the award at games? Why not start him off with extra minerals and extra units? That's right because it's series is meant to be it's OWN thing and not some part of a bigger picture. MLG's format is already garbage, extended series just adds to it a bit more.


It should be like at BlizzCon. Just make it 2 times a Bo5. (Blizzcon is 2 times Bo3 but who can get enough of SCII?)
I had a good night of sleep.
daimyo
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
77 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16332
On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:
On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:
Poll: What's a better Final?

1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106)
 
66%

Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55)
 
34%

161 total votes

Your vote: What's a better Final?

(Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2




a bo7 actually


A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.


AND thinking that he has beaten that opponent before during that tourney
Ghoststrikes
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1356 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16333
On April 04 2011 09:25 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:23 cujo2k wrote:
O_O I like the extended series concept since it means that every single game in the tournament is meaningful, and throwing games or not revealing your full strategy would probably never be a good idea ><
Don't know why so many people are bitching about it since it's not like Naniwa hasn't earned his 2-0 lead vs Kiwi. I think it's a much better concept than automatically awarding someone a bo5 series lead since they're from the winners bracket instead of the losers bracket.

They are TWO different series; under DIFFERENT circumstances..

The PENALTY for losing against an opponent is going into the LOSERS bracket where you have struggle your way through; but then you come up against the guy again and instead of "well done you battled through so much shit in the losers bracket - good on you" it's "well done - now beat him 4 times before he beats you twice!"

It pretty much serves as a double penalty..


How about the winner? He has not lost a single game so far. He can't possibly be eliminated by losing 2 games out of 3, this would be totally unfair compared to everybody ese in the tournament.
Never say die
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16334
On April 04 2011 09:24 loveeholicce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:21 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't wanna burst ur protoss OP bubbles but select could have won that game EASILY.
Colossi take a loooong time to build, when select won the battle and pushed kiwi's 3rd he should have just backed up.
Protoss can warp in 10 units at the same time indeed but those units suck vs a big group of terran units.
Instead Select runs in, suicides his army + all his VIKINGS.
He could have just gone back and come 2 mins later with a HUGE army and be up vs 3 colossi at most.

cool


I don't get your reasoning. Collosus are a powerful unit but they take a long time to build. Select should have retreated and attacked to give the protoss time to rebuild those collosus. ...? In case you forgot, collosus rape a big group of bio units.

Not pointing out imbalance, just saying your reasoning is terrible


Let me explain,
Ofc colossi roll over grouped up bio balls.
But 3 colossi vs 10 vikings are no problem at all (+emps)
Instead select lost like all his vikings and had no chance to ever come back anymore after that point
Rhyme
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1069 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16335
On April 04 2011 09:23 Ghoststrikes wrote:
YOu people don't understand, how fair would it be to Naniwa, if it weren't for the extended series, that he could have gone 24-0 until then finals then lose 2 out of 3 and be 2nd place? He needs to be awarded this sort of advantage, he deserves it, as everyone who comes out of the winner bracket in any tournament.


agreed. it's the nature of WB/LB
dont ever say that
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16336
On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:
On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:
Poll: What's a better Final?

1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106)
 
66%

Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55)
 
34%

161 total votes

Your vote: What's a better Final?

(Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2




a bo7 actually

A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.

He already has an advantage without the extended series, though. He has to lose two matches in a row.
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
Jnai
Profile Joined September 2010
United States442 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16337
On April 04 2011 09:22 bkrow wrote:
Seriously as much as i hate complaining; extended series kind of delegitimises this in my mind.. The final of a tournament for $5k and Nani is 2 games up from winners bracket round 1 hmm

If Kiwi pulls this off it will make it so much more epic though


I don't know why people find extended series so difficult to understand.

If you think that tournament results reflect some skill level of each player, and you also think that there is some random variation added to each tournament result, then extended series simply reduce the degree to which tournament results reflect random variation and increase the degree to which they reflect skill. It's simple mathematical fact that can be proven (and has been demonstrated, on this site!) by monte carlo simulations.

Extended series are a much less potent way to reduce random variation than, say, increasing the number of games in a series (from a BO3 to a BO5 to a BO7), but, in effect, they do the same thing.
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16338
On April 04 2011 09:26 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:25 KASPpraetorianGuard wrote:

extended series is so anti-climatic for the final. I didn't see the 2 games they played so it's all new to me. I want to see a best of 7. Not best of WTF extended series.


Then go watch the vods next week.


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CrispyTender
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada166 Posts
April 04 2011 00:26 GMT
#16339
Poll: Which player are you rooting for?

Naniwa, beast mode (42)
 
44%

KiwiKaki, Amazing play vs select!!! (36)
 
38%

GOGO NANIWA, MAKE IT 26-1!!! (18)
 
19%

96 total votes

Your vote: Which player are you rooting for?

(Vote): Naniwa, beast mode
(Vote): KiwiKaki, Amazing play vs select!!!
(Vote): GOGO NANIWA, MAKE IT 26-1!!!


DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
April 04 2011 00:27 GMT
#16340
On April 04 2011 09:25 oo inflame oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2011 09:21 aruken wrote:
On April 04 2011 09:20 Skillz_Man wrote:
Poll: What's a better Final?

1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player (106)
 
66%

Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2 (55)
 
34%

161 total votes

Your vote: What's a better Final?

(Vote): 1 Bo5 with no advantage to either player
(Vote): Bo7 Kiwi is down 0-2




a bo7 actually


A player who is 24-0 should have an advantage over someone who has come from losers, sorry.


Indeed, if it wasnt extended series, it would be normal grand finals where if kiwi did win the first bo3, he would have to win another..
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