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LloydRays
Profile Joined October 2010
United States306 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 04:59:39
April 03 2011 04:59 GMT
#11001
On April 03 2011 13:47 00Visor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:44 Asparagus wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:18 LloydRays wrote:
So naniwa has been 4gating his way like 90% of his matches... I can understand it to an extent, however, i lost respect when he does it in the pool play as well.


It's perfectly reasonable. Playing so many Bo3s in one day is extremely exhausting, plus he has to face off against the cream of the crop tomorrow. Both the mental and physical fatigue don't go away after one night of sleep either.


This is true, but after seeing a lot of his games I just can't stop thinking that he's the next TSL_rain. Actually. No. I take that back. It's disappointing that you can confidently fall on a single BO to get you through the day.


I doubt you have seen a lot of games from Nani. He can play macro base and he does. He also has a good 4gate and uses it often, yes.

To be fair, his games vs Agh and Tyler were PvP, so no surprise there. Vs Machine and Pokebunny he did play long games.

So please don't just make something up.


both replays of machine v nani were 4 gates [edit for maps : crossfire and scrap] , dont call me out on a lie when your talking out of your ass.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
April 03 2011 04:59 GMT
#11002
On April 03 2011 13:57 mcjinzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:56 MrSexington wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:55 mcjinzo wrote:
i love how people are acting like this is suppose to be like a samurai battle or something....its a video game settle down rivalry is good for the games expansion


I just don't want this to be the beginning of nerds calling each other names all game long with in-game chat instead of playing the game.

(Or do I?)



to put it bluntly those people wouldnt make it that far and it they did it would only add dram and interest/intrigue to the tournament/scene


Hm... I was joking.

(You really want this to turn into Halo as far as trash talking goes?)

(No thanks.)

Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
April 03 2011 04:59 GMT
#11003
On April 03 2011 13:56 TofuFox wrote:
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On April 03 2011 13:51 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:45 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:
I don't know if IdrA would be the kind of guy that would even except the win based on this, it would make him look really bad especially considering the loss was purely his fault, it was a favor huk was doing at the least by telling him it was hallucination that IdrA gg'd at.

Yeah, you can say a lot about IdrA, but the man keeps his honour and pride. Doesn't seem like the kind of person who would ever accept a win because of stuff like this.

On April 03 2011 13:44 VenerableSpace wrote:
According to that rule, huk should have been disqualified in the game vs select when he made a mothership due to chat in the middle of he game.

I thikn it was briefly mentioned in the L/R thread during that MLG, its not that big of a deal. The rules are fairly outdated and theres a vast array of them which dont really make sense to apply. theres one where a player can limit the unit composition of the other player by not letting them make a unit.
Source? I'd like to read that one about unit comp.


Show nested quote +
12. Starcraft 2 Players who receive three Technical Fouls in one Match will be given a one Game penalty. After three Technical Fouls, each subsequent Technical Foul in the Match will result in another one Game penalty. When a Starcraft 2 Player receives a one Game penalty their opponent will be allowed to select one unit, other than Probe, Drone, SCV, Overlord, or Queen, that the Player with the one Game penalty won’t be allowed to create during the upcoming Game. If the Player with the one Game penalty were to create that unit during the upcoming Game, they would Forfeit the Game.

(from Official Rules)

It's a hilariously awesome rule.


You could totally pick larva o_o.
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
April 03 2011 04:59 GMT
#11004
On April 03 2011 13:57 Zozo wrote:
My rant, I feel like I should post but also allow people to skip it:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't know how this was possible, but this MLG got me at least 20 times more frustrated/angry then the Flash and Jaedong blackout episode.

I got home friday after my surgery and was expecting the games to help me recover. Better thank day9 and wheat, they were amazing as usual. The whole thing was just wrong, amateurs make much better decisions during tournaments EVERY FREAKING DAY.

The Idra interview clip is the best way to represent the event in one video. I feel sorry for the players, this should be about them: About Incontrol, naniwa, huk, LZ, Idra... all of them are having great runs, completly overshadowed by this terrible event.

Sure we need lan, but this was scheduled a long time ago, knowing you would need a good internet connection, last MLG was a sign already, TSL had 60k viewers... why would you not prepare accordingly?

Took me a while to type this with one hand, but hopefully they hire some new people for the next event, else no one is gonna bother with it anymore. Why would players take 5-15 hours flights for this? The prize pool alone won't keep the viewers interested, and that's your fuel. Are you waiting for your sponsors to call you out?


This is your turn Geoff, squash 'em like bugs!


+ Show Spoiler +
This. It's not just one guy, it's this guy. MLG Sundance you've ruined a guy who just got out surgery... you've ruined his whole day, shamed his heart, disillusioned him towards esports, crushed his bliss...
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
April 03 2011 05:00 GMT
#11005
Regardless its about following their own rules. Rewrite them then if you aren't going to follow the current set. Why have the rule if you don't follow it? If you speed on the highway your breaking a law but most people do it without caring. What about people who rob banks? They are breaking a law as well but most of the time people care about that one.

Shows that you should enforce rules equally.

I know thats comparing irl to a game but the principle is the same. Set the rules..follow the rules.. enforce the rules.
EG | Liquid | Dignitas | FXO | SlayerS | TSL | iS | Fan of pretty much all players ^_^ | SeleCT <3 forever! Axslav <3
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
April 03 2011 05:01 GMT
#11006
Does anyone have a mirror for Game 2 between Idra and Huk on Metalopolis? The link on the MLG brackets is missing probably due to too many people requesting it.
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
dracu1a
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada24 Posts
April 03 2011 05:01 GMT
#11007
On April 03 2011 14:00 Engore wrote:
Regardless its about following their own rules. Rewrite them then if you aren't going to follow the current set. Why have the rule if you don't follow it? If you speed on the highway your breaking a law but most people do it without caring. What about people who rob banks? They are breaking a law as well but most of the time people care about that one.

Shows that you should enforce rules equally.

I know thats comparing irl to a game but the principle is the same. Set the rules..follow the rules.. enforce the rules.


If you love rules so much why don't you marry them?

User was temp banned for this post.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
April 03 2011 05:01 GMT
#11008
On April 03 2011 13:59 LloydRays wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:47 00Visor wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:44 Asparagus wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:18 LloydRays wrote:
So naniwa has been 4gating his way like 90% of his matches... I can understand it to an extent, however, i lost respect when he does it in the pool play as well.


It's perfectly reasonable. Playing so many Bo3s in one day is extremely exhausting, plus he has to face off against the cream of the crop tomorrow. Both the mental and physical fatigue don't go away after one night of sleep either.


This is true, but after seeing a lot of his games I just can't stop thinking that he's the next TSL_rain. Actually. No. I take that back. It's disappointing that you can confidently fall on a single BO to get you through the day.


I doubt you have seen a lot of games from Nani. He can play macro base and he does. He also has a good 4gate and uses it often, yes.

To be fair, his games vs Agh and Tyler were PvP, so no surprise there. Vs Machine and Pokebunny he did play long games.

So please don't just make something up.


both replays of machine v nani were 4 gates [edit for maps : crossfire and scrap] , dont call me out on a lie when your talking out of your ass.


If I had to play 11 Bo3 in a row I would go with a build order that's quick like that as well. And I'm not sure about the caliber of play in his earlier matches, but pulling off 4 gates (especially PvP) requires some intense micro skills and allows him to hide any other BO's he has. I'm sure he knows how to do more than 4 gate.

Not to mention just winning that many games in a row with 4 gate is extremely impressive. It's not like 4 gate is unstoppable, especially if you know it's coming. Props to him for being good enough with his micro to pull it off 22x in a row.
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 05:01:48
April 03 2011 05:01 GMT
#11009
On April 03 2011 14:01 dracu1a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 14:00 Engore wrote:
Regardless its about following their own rules. Rewrite them then if you aren't going to follow the current set. Why have the rule if you don't follow it? If you speed on the highway your breaking a law but most people do it without caring. What about people who rob banks? They are breaking a law as well but most of the time people care about that one.

Shows that you should enforce rules equally.

I know thats comparing irl to a game but the principle is the same. Set the rules..follow the rules.. enforce the rules.


If you love rules so much why don't you marry them?


I think that's the point of getting married.
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
April 03 2011 05:01 GMT
#11010
On April 03 2011 14:00 Engore wrote:
Regardless its about following their own rules. Rewrite them then if you aren't going to follow the current set. Why have the rule if you don't follow it? If you speed on the highway your breaking a law but most people do it without caring. What about people who rob banks? They are breaking a law as well but most of the time people care about that one.

Shows that you should enforce rules equally.

I know thats comparing irl to a game but the principle is the same. Set the rules..follow the rules.. enforce the rules.


Many rules are not enforced IRL, brown paper bags on bottles etc.

However, taunting idra ingame should atleast give a foul or something, keep that shit to the lobby.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
April 03 2011 05:01 GMT
#11011
Any news on Sheth vs dde? bracket not updated yet
Hi
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
April 03 2011 05:02 GMT
#11012
On April 03 2011 13:37 Logginurkeyz wrote:
You guys need to realize that no matter how much money you throw at something- you can not force more bandwidth up a maxxed fibre cable than it can handle... The amount of upload MLG Dallas uses is ridiculous... 4 streams going (COD, Halo, SC2, and the pro stream that has a little of everything), plus all the SC2 games, plus the alienware station that has 4 desktops and 6 laptops all with only sc2 and ie on them...
Some of us sitting by the logistics guys for sc2 were having a deep discussion about the required amount of bandwidth they needed for upload for this event; and i believe the number we came up with was minimum 18mbit up, probably closer to 38mbit up... Dense fibre (the kind they have burried in Dallas) allows for a maximum of 32mbit(i think) up *(and only if you are a FiOS customer- i know this part is right)... Halo and COD games were all setup as LAN.
Also- more games were crashing than the main stage... I believe Rigid disconnected at least once, and when VTgix played against tkVim, they dropped twice... Also, on the feature stage, station 1, which I believe at the time was sixjax.mihai vs LG.PainUser they lagged so much that their games seemed to go on forever... I know the qxc v haypro games were just plain long, but i believe it WAS mihai's games that were lagged...
Hell, I didn't get to see grubby v dde because the lag was so bad... Apparently they did play- they must have moved when I was outside smoking or flirting with the Dr.Pepper chick...


FiOS offers 35/35 (mbps). The interesting part is that Dallas underwent a technological update at least 6 years ago that spans the entire metroplex. While it still doesn't cover all of Dallas, most of the areas that are left out are low income and industrial areas. Really, it is the fault of the specific venue for not having the ability to provide a robust and stable enough connection for tournament as a whole. When compared to some of the 1k BYOCs I've been to in the area (with dozens if not hundreds of non-LAN games going), it's fairly pathetic that the Dallas Convention Center can't muscle up a mere 20-30 mbps stable connection.

As for the SC2 stations, EVERYBODY was experiencing lag. Losers bracket round 2-5 and the last few winners brackets were delayed for hours due to lag issues.
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
April 03 2011 05:02 GMT
#11013
On April 03 2011 14:01 halvorg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 14:00 Engore wrote:
Regardless its about following their own rules. Rewrite them then if you aren't going to follow the current set. Why have the rule if you don't follow it? If you speed on the highway your breaking a law but most people do it without caring. What about people who rob banks? They are breaking a law as well but most of the time people care about that one.

Shows that you should enforce rules equally.

I know thats comparing irl to a game but the principle is the same. Set the rules..follow the rules.. enforce the rules.


Many rules are not enforced IRL, brown paper bags on bottles etc.

However, taunting idra ingame should atleast give a foul or something, keep that shit to the lobby.


How many times do we have to cite Extended Series for this argument to not work? MLG stood by its retarded rule of extended series and would not budge an inch, yet they fail in every other category.
LloydRays
Profile Joined October 2010
United States306 Posts
April 03 2011 05:03 GMT
#11014
On April 03 2011 14:01 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:59 LloydRays wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:47 00Visor wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:44 Asparagus wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:18 LloydRays wrote:
So naniwa has been 4gating his way like 90% of his matches... I can understand it to an extent, however, i lost respect when he does it in the pool play as well.


It's perfectly reasonable. Playing so many Bo3s in one day is extremely exhausting, plus he has to face off against the cream of the crop tomorrow. Both the mental and physical fatigue don't go away after one night of sleep either.


This is true, but after seeing a lot of his games I just can't stop thinking that he's the next TSL_rain. Actually. No. I take that back. It's disappointing that you can confidently fall on a single BO to get you through the day.


I doubt you have seen a lot of games from Nani. He can play macro base and he does. He also has a good 4gate and uses it often, yes.

To be fair, his games vs Agh and Tyler were PvP, so no surprise there. Vs Machine and Pokebunny he did play long games.

So please don't just make something up.


both replays of machine v nani were 4 gates [edit for maps : crossfire and scrap] , dont call me out on a lie when your talking out of your ass.


If I had to play 11 Bo3 in a row I would go with a build order that's quick like that as well. And I'm not sure about the caliber of play in his earlier matches, but pulling off 4 gates (especially PvP) requires some intense micro skills and allows him to hide any other BO's he has. I'm sure he knows how to do more than 4 gate.

Not to mention just winning that many games in a row with 4 gate is extremely impressive. It's not like 4 gate is unstoppable, especially if you know it's coming. Props to him for being good enough with his micro to pull it off 22x in a row.


sorry i didnt make it clear in my original post. its dissappointing from a spectator's prespective, as well as a protoss prespective, to see that all i have to do its be good at 4 gate micro
tgun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
434 Posts
April 03 2011 05:03 GMT
#11015
On April 03 2011 14:01 pieman819 wrote:
Any news on Sheth vs dde? bracket not updated yet


Sheth just went up 1-0 after a 20min game.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-03 05:08:11
April 03 2011 05:04 GMT
#11016
On April 03 2011 13:44 Asparagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:18 LloydRays wrote:
So naniwa has been 4gating his way like 90% of his matches... I can understand it to an extent, however, i lost respect when he does it in the pool play as well.


It's perfectly reasonable. Playing so many Bo3s in one day is extremely exhausting, plus he has to face off against the cream of the crop tomorrow. Both the mental and physical fatigue don't go away after one night of sleep either.


This is true, but after seeing a lot of his games I just can't stop thinking that he's the next TSL_rain. Actually. No. I take that back. It's disappointing that you can confidently fall on a single BO to get you through the day.

(edit) I feel bad for vVv. Titan : [


TSL_Rain's success and reputation were made from his cheesy all-ins; he's done nothing since then worthy of recognition. Although he was known early on for pushing all-in builds like 4gate, Naniwa has demonstrated that he doesn't need them to win. Go watch his matches against Ret in the TSL.

Do you think it is intelligent to play +20 consecutive games and aim for a drawn-out macro style in all of them, knowing that you have abusive strategies to use against lesser players? As a competitor there, you would also know that the players you are hoping to face have played significantly less games with smaller stakes. Additionally, you would not want to reveal any new strategies/BOs you have working on by using them in earlier matches.

So personally I think his play was fine. He got through the rounds quickly and he can prepare for the games when he will have to rely on his macro. And if his opponents can't beat his 4gates, that's sad from a spectator POV but ultimately irrelevant. These guys are pros, they should know how to hold off such attacks.

On April 03 2011 13:46 pureability wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:43 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:42 Boof wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:28 Boof wrote:
Can anyone point me to where I can find the Tyler vs Machine replays? I can't seem to find that bracket anywhere.


Last call for help on this one.


http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-dallas-starcraft2-champ.html#

But there's no link to the downloads.


/faceplam. Click on "match info". Obtain replays. Some people amaze me with how incompetent they are


Pureability from the MLG forums?

No, there are no downloads available for that particular series.

WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
mcjinzo
Profile Joined July 2010
79 Posts
April 03 2011 05:04 GMT
#11017
On April 03 2011 13:59 MrSexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:57 mcjinzo wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:56 MrSexington wrote:
On April 03 2011 13:55 mcjinzo wrote:
i love how people are acting like this is suppose to be like a samurai battle or something....its a video game settle down rivalry is good for the games expansion


I just don't want this to be the beginning of nerds calling each other names all game long with in-game chat instead of playing the game.

(Or do I?)



to put it bluntly those people wouldnt make it that far and it they did it would only add dram and interest/intrigue to the tournament/scene


Hm... I was joking.

(You really want this to turn into Halo as far as trash talking goes?)

(No thanks.)




i dont know which game has more recognition and money? say what you want but halo is doing something right and there results prove it. unless you want starcraft to only be huge in korea we need ...... SOMETHING..... anything. drama, conflict, some kind of fucking interest or its never going to pick up beyond its main audience.
Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
April 03 2011 05:04 GMT
#11018
On April 03 2011 14:01 dracu1a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 14:00 Engore wrote:
Regardless its about following their own rules. Rewrite them then if you aren't going to follow the current set. Why have the rule if you don't follow it? If you speed on the highway your breaking a law but most people do it without caring. What about people who rob banks? They are breaking a law as well but most of the time people care about that one.

Shows that you should enforce rules equally.

I know thats comparing irl to a game but the principle is the same. Set the rules..follow the rules.. enforce the rules.


If you love rules so much why don't you marry them?


Check and mate!
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
April 03 2011 05:04 GMT
#11019
On April 03 2011 14:02 ffdestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 14:01 halvorg wrote:
On April 03 2011 14:00 Engore wrote:
Regardless its about following their own rules. Rewrite them then if you aren't going to follow the current set. Why have the rule if you don't follow it? If you speed on the highway your breaking a law but most people do it without caring. What about people who rob banks? They are breaking a law as well but most of the time people care about that one.

Shows that you should enforce rules equally.

I know thats comparing irl to a game but the principle is the same. Set the rules..follow the rules.. enforce the rules.


Many rules are not enforced IRL, brown paper bags on bottles etc.

However, taunting idra ingame should atleast give a foul or something, keep that shit to the lobby.


How many times do we have to cite Extended Series for this argument to not work? MLG stood by its retarded rule of extended series and would not budge an inch, yet they fail in every other category.


How is extended series relevant? Get real.
ffdestiny
Profile Joined September 2010
United States773 Posts
April 03 2011 05:04 GMT
#11020
On April 03 2011 14:02 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2011 13:37 Logginurkeyz wrote:
You guys need to realize that no matter how much money you throw at something- you can not force more bandwidth up a maxxed fibre cable than it can handle... The amount of upload MLG Dallas uses is ridiculous... 4 streams going (COD, Halo, SC2, and the pro stream that has a little of everything), plus all the SC2 games, plus the alienware station that has 4 desktops and 6 laptops all with only sc2 and ie on them...
Some of us sitting by the logistics guys for sc2 were having a deep discussion about the required amount of bandwidth they needed for upload for this event; and i believe the number we came up with was minimum 18mbit up, probably closer to 38mbit up... Dense fibre (the kind they have burried in Dallas) allows for a maximum of 32mbit(i think) up *(and only if you are a FiOS customer- i know this part is right)... Halo and COD games were all setup as LAN.
Also- more games were crashing than the main stage... I believe Rigid disconnected at least once, and when VTgix played against tkVim, they dropped twice... Also, on the feature stage, station 1, which I believe at the time was sixjax.mihai vs LG.PainUser they lagged so much that their games seemed to go on forever... I know the qxc v haypro games were just plain long, but i believe it WAS mihai's games that were lagged...
Hell, I didn't get to see grubby v dde because the lag was so bad... Apparently they did play- they must have moved when I was outside smoking or flirting with the Dr.Pepper chick...


FiOS offers 35/35 (mbps). The interesting part is that Dallas underwent a technological update at least 6 years ago that spans the entire metroplex. While it still doesn't cover all of Dallas, most of the areas that are left out are low income and industrial areas. Really, it is the fault of the specific venue for not having the ability to provide a robust and stable enough connection for tournament as a whole. When compared to some of the 1k BYOCs I've been to in the area (with dozens if not hundreds of non-LAN games going), it's fairly pathetic that the Dallas Convention Center can't muscle up a mere 20-30 mbps stable connection.

As for the SC2 stations, EVERYBODY was experiencing lag. Losers bracket round 2-5 and the last few winners brackets were delayed for hours due to lag issues.


To be honest, it's not very difficult to ensure you have the right infrastructure, load balancing, appropriate routers, switches, cabling, test machines, backup plans, ISP contacts, multiple WAN ports, quality of service... the problem is MLG never cared at all to fix any of their problems over the years, as this has gone on forever. They never cared to test environments, or evaluate their network and software. They just wanted to turn the switch on and getting the revenue flowing.
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