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DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
April 02 2011 05:09 GMT
#9361
On April 02 2011 14:08 MorNin wrote:
Can anybody provide a link with the bracket placement? or not out? Thx in advanced


http://s3.majorleaguegaming.com/2011-dallas-starcraft2-open.html#
riboflavin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
April 02 2011 05:09 GMT
#9362
On April 02 2011 14:06 Angra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 14:02 dANiELcanuck wrote:
Is TLO really still a fan favorite? I haven't liked him since he stopped playing Zerg back in the beta.


I don't understand why people have such racial biases. I have favorite players from every race. :\

Also he never played zerg in beta... unless you mean the 1/3 of the time he randomed it.


TeamLiquid.net: Safe harbor for racists?

Can we please get some satire racist names for Z P and T? I enjoy comedy that mocks negative social sterotypes.

Mashes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada441 Posts
April 02 2011 05:09 GMT
#9363
Machine.

Age: n/a

haha
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
TheGrimace
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States929 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 05:10:33
April 02 2011 05:09 GMT
#9364
I see people whining about how people get wins. It's not really relevant.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/prologue.html

There is a resource you hear day9 talk about in his early podcasts, before the dailies got started. I guarantee any player that is climbing his way to the top has considered this resource. You see it in players like morrow, july, inc and select. They are playing the game to win. They aren't playing show matches. They are playing to win, and if you enjoy watching players do everything they can to win, you will like their games. It's just how competition works in this environment. If you read even part of that, your enjoyment of the game will go up.
itriedsohard
Profile Joined May 2010
United States24 Posts
April 02 2011 05:10 GMT
#9365
how is destiny doing still 1-1?
playing terran is cheese
SetStndbySmn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 05:11:33
April 02 2011 05:10 GMT
#9366
On April 02 2011 14:09 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 14:03 ffdestiny wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:02 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:01 Cuiu wrote:
I do not understand why everyone has something against cheeese.
you get an easy win or you make a fool of yourself


because its boring and has nothing to do with actual skill(the essence of competive play) ?




He took the probe out, then did a double back and TLO didn't notice. That's pretty deceptive. He also had to count on TLO not placing the bunkers closer to his orbital. Anyway, there's plenty of skill in knowing when to proxy pylon.


and still it was nothing but a boring lucky win. pretty sure incontrol will tell you the same.


i call mechanics,tactics and nice decision making skill. if you think "im gonna proxy and hope he doesnt see it" skill then fine.

dont wanna shit on anyone. but if you enjoy a game like that then... dunno... you enjoy any sc2 game no matter what happens? :>


If you want to point a finger at a pro for robbing fans of an entertaining game, look at TLO for not scouting his base; not going for a free win handed to you on a silver platter is sand bagging.
"He doesn't operate under some divine shroud that lets him determine what is or is not valid culture. He cannot rob you, retroactively, of wholly valid experiences; he cannot transform them into worthless things." - Tycho
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 02 2011 05:10 GMT
#9367
On April 02 2011 14:09 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 14:03 ffdestiny wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:02 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:01 Cuiu wrote:
I do not understand why everyone has something against cheeese.
you get an easy win or you make a fool of yourself


because its boring and has nothing to do with actual skill(the essence of competive play) ?




He took the probe out, then did a double back and TLO didn't notice. That's pretty deceptive. He also had to count on TLO not placing the bunkers closer to his orbital. Anyway, there's plenty of skill in knowing when to proxy pylon.


and still it was nothing but a boring lucky win. pretty sure incontrol will tell you the same.


i call mechanics,tactics and nice decision making skill. if you think "im gonna proxy and hope he doesnt see it" skill then fine.

dont wanna shit on anyone. but if you enjoy a game like that then... dunno... you enjoy any sc2 game no matter what happens? :>

Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 14:08 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:08 Goibon wrote:
Man, i feel old seeing how young these players are. I expect them all to be sorta my age but they're pretty much all early 20s.

Still can't believe Greg is 20. I mean it explains a lot thus makes a lot of sense, but i just figured he'd be 25 or something.


With you there... Fuck, I'm about to turn 27.


have 9 months till i turn 26. yay! 9month buffer bfeore i really go towards the evil 30 :D


So every 4gate is a lucky win?

TLO SCOUTED the 4gate and STILL LOST.

There is no excuse, he was totally outplayed from an advantageous position.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46206 Posts
April 02 2011 05:11 GMT
#9368
On April 02 2011 14:07 Meldrath wrote:
Im very happy select and idra made it out alive... poor idra just doesnt typically do well in tournaments..


What do you mean he doesn't do well in tournaments?

~http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_Grack%20Fields

Looks like he does well to me!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Paradice
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand431 Posts
April 02 2011 05:11 GMT
#9369
On April 02 2011 14:04 riboflavin wrote:
i dont hate the guy for cheesing (except that it was to TLO)... but it doesnt do much towards proving you belong. if he has any interest in proving that he deserves the farce of an invite to nasl he should play in a sustainable and intelligent way and then mix in the cheese after a while. he is doing it backwards and is leaving himself exposed in many ways. more power to the guy that wins, but my respect goes to the guy that does it in a complete and convincing way.



Sorry but I don't think you get it. Look at the timings. InControl scouted a no-gas fast expand build. As a protoss, you have two choices:

A) go into a macro game, way way behind
B) just go fucking kill him

Choosing option B there isn't cheesy, even if Incontrol is manner enough to say otherwise. TLO chose a risky build, failed to scout the pylon (even after seeing 4 gates :O) and got punished appropriately.
TitleRug
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States651 Posts
April 02 2011 05:11 GMT
#9370
cruncher vs optikzero in obr4 after cruncher beat fenix, should be good match.
coLCruncher fighting!
Bigboss_26
Profile Joined August 2010
United States49 Posts
April 02 2011 05:11 GMT
#9371
On April 02 2011 14:06 Zeddicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 14:01 halvorg wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:01 ckast wrote:
to be honest, incontrol didn't do anything wrong. It was totally a TLO mistake


Ofcourse he didn't do anything wrong, but soo boring to watch these types of games.


Boring? I was on the edge of my seat! One of the most exciting games of the day.


Mmm it would have been exciting had TLO gotten that ghost out or something, and there was a chance to see some crazy micro hold it off, but as soon as inc dropped two forcefields to prevent the SCV surround, I tuned out.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I don't fault inc for taking advantage of it whatsoever, but I was VERY excited for the matchup and seeing a whole 14 minutes of gaming between two games really deflated that hopeballoon.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
April 02 2011 05:12 GMT
#9372
On April 02 2011 14:08 Mercadia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 14:06 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:02 RoachyRoach wrote:
I dont really consider it cheese...

Cheese would be completly all in where if it fails you are at a huge loss.
ninja pylons just give you a way to take advantage of lazy scouting.
but its only 100 mins.


Game 1 wasnt an all in you can make probes for an later expansion from 1 star +2gates. Game 2 was all in, he dropped the 4th gate. He either cut probe or he didnt make use of the 4th gate, he used a lot of waves of warp ins so he had to keep building pylons, cant see how he didnt stop probe production.


He had 3 gates and a stargate. It was all in.


If he really did have the 3rd gate then you're right. I only noticed 2 gates and someone else in this thread said 2gate+SG all in. But since you're poiting out there was a 3rd gate you're right. =D My bad.

Still don't think all in = cheese. When you see your enemy going something greedy the proper response several times can be an all in. Cheese for me is cnanon rush, proxy rax. Just a personal view tho.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 05:13:04
April 02 2011 05:12 GMT
#9373
On April 02 2011 14:10 Mailing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 14:09 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:03 ffdestiny wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:02 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:01 Cuiu wrote:
I do not understand why everyone has something against cheeese.
you get an easy win or you make a fool of yourself


because its boring and has nothing to do with actual skill(the essence of competive play) ?




He took the probe out, then did a double back and TLO didn't notice. That's pretty deceptive. He also had to count on TLO not placing the bunkers closer to his orbital. Anyway, there's plenty of skill in knowing when to proxy pylon.


and still it was nothing but a boring lucky win. pretty sure incontrol will tell you the same.


i call mechanics,tactics and nice decision making skill. if you think "im gonna proxy and hope he doesnt see it" skill then fine.

dont wanna shit on anyone. but if you enjoy a game like that then... dunno... you enjoy any sc2 game no matter what happens? :>

On April 02 2011 14:08 EvilTeletubby wrote:
On April 02 2011 14:08 Goibon wrote:
Man, i feel old seeing how young these players are. I expect them all to be sorta my age but they're pretty much all early 20s.

Still can't believe Greg is 20. I mean it explains a lot thus makes a lot of sense, but i just figured he'd be 25 or something.


With you there... Fuck, I'm about to turn 27.


have 9 months till i turn 26. yay! 9month buffer bfeore i really go towards the evil 30 :D


So every 4gate is a lucky win?

TLO SCOUTED the 4gate and STILL LOST.

There is no excuse, he was totally outplayed from an advantageous position.

The 4gate wasn't the problem (it rarely is), the pylon was. That sexy, sweet in-base pylon.
#TeamBuLba
Samp
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada783 Posts
April 02 2011 05:12 GMT
#9374
did Slush v PainUser started? if so, anyone has info on it?
Banelings, "They're cute, they live in a nest". -Artosis
Ev0luTiOnS
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4 Posts
April 02 2011 05:12 GMT
#9375
Catz > vvvmurder 2-0
macil22
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14 Posts
April 02 2011 05:12 GMT
#9376
On April 02 2011 14:07 The Stapler wrote:
stop complaining about "cheese" or short games for the love of god

it's tournament play ffs

you aren't doing yourself any favors if you try to force 40 minute macro games every time for the sake of those of you who get a hard on for macro games.

if you go for macro all the time you are going to drain yourself, mentally and physically, if those games actually go longer and/or you open yourself up to be vulnerable to cheesy or aggressive play by your opponent

you should do whatever it takes to win.....short games are just as exciting to me as longer ones....stop crying and enjoy the damn games


I feel sorry for you if you think that TLO vs InControl series was exciting.

I don't blame someone for doing whatever they can to win. I do blame the game. It is not exciting and it is irritating. It costs almost nothing to attempt cheeses like that and the potential reward is a free win off a single stupid mistake. If you like that then have fun watching, but I lose any desire to watch sc2 games every time I see it happen.

User was banned for this post.
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
April 02 2011 05:13 GMT
#9377
Oh good God people! If the players don't sit back and macro until 4 bases it's "cheese" and "all-in" apparently. Geoff saw an opening and took it.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
April 02 2011 05:13 GMT
#9378
what wait? is this a rebroadcast? or are they doing more games?
Bashrai
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 05:14:43
April 02 2011 05:13 GMT
#9379
Kawaiirice vs StrifeCro tomorrow in the round 4. Gonna be interesting.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 02 2011 05:14 GMT
#9380
On April 02 2011 14:12 Ev0luTiOnS wrote:
Catz > vvvmurder 2-0


Woo! Root seems to be doing pretty damn well today. I'm hoping Destiny can keep going through the open bracket and Slush can take down Pain.
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