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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied.

Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 27 2011 22:18 GMT
#1941
iNcontroL had nothing to do with the selection process. Anywho, we think everyone will be quite excited by the players announced tomorrow and Tuesday!
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
rfoster
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1005 Posts
March 27 2011 22:19 GMT
#1942
where can we see the invites i dont see it in the op or on nasl.tv hompage
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
March 27 2011 22:19 GMT
#1943
On March 28 2011 07:17 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 07:11 Zomodok wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:10 SMD wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:07 Zomodok wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:00 Xeris wrote:
We will explain everything on Tuesday


"Grubby was selected because he's on Team EG"



Does anyone know what team Xeris is actually from? lol
Because its NOT EG


Of course, but let me list the long list of accomplishments that Grubby has in Starcraft 2 that verifies his NASL spot;



I get he doesn't have accomplishements, but artosis doesn't eitehr and everyones thrilled at him being in. They are both in because the fans wanted them and this is a business. the bottom 16 have to requalify, if Grubby, or any other "Bad, undeserving" players are as "bad" as people are stating, they won't requalify.

I think their main gripe is that more skilled and accomplished players (specifically koreans) have been (or looks like) overlooked for guys like Grubby, vibe...etc
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
March 27 2011 22:20 GMT
#1944
On March 28 2011 07:18 Xeris wrote:
iNcontroL had nothing to do with the selection process. Anywho, we think everyone will be quite excited by the players announced tomorrow and Tuesday!


I for one am excited, and hope it shuts up the haters
Zomodok
Profile Joined September 2010
United States41 Posts
March 27 2011 22:22 GMT
#1945
On March 28 2011 07:12 Radin wrote:
Newsflash for everyone complaining:

You don't have to watch if you don't like it. If you're so set on deciding how this thing should be run, go out and find some angel investors and start your own league. It shouldn't be hard for you, seeing as you're already an expert!


Listen right here;

I want ESPORTS in the west to grow, I will be supporting the NASL and I will be spending money on getting whatever paid services that they will be offering. Because quite frankly if this falls face first it's going to set things back and I do not want that.

However if you look at the way things are being ran and the demonstrations that they are constantly putting out and not question yourself or the production of the league then I really don't know what to tell you.

Let's just say that if I was an investor with money sunk into this project and saw the production value of the TSL3 and then the Clash of the Titans I'd probably want to withdraw my support or just distance myself from the decision.

People get up in arms about the voting process, saying they don't want the league to be a popularity contest and that they want good games to come from it, this leads the league to respond saying that the player selection process will be "On Results and a bunch of mystery voodoo stuff while the voting plays a small part"

Choices like Grubby/Axslav/Artosis/PainUser just make you scratch your head. Now, don't get all nerdy and sperg out on me and start getting upset that I'm insulting your favorite players. I know Grubby from his War3 days and Artosis is by far one of the best commentators in the sport, but what have either of the two done to get an invite?

Other than be on EG or friends with the tournament organizers.

"We are really proud of our website" was said on a state of the game, and when it was released the community hated it and now the websites "real" release will be out in April. Heres the announcement of the announcement with a show match to create excitement for the announcement turns into "The Clash was a stand-alone event that is not connected to the NASL"

The organizers backpedal faster than <insert extremist of your choice> being called on <subject of your choice>

It's troubling, there are huge red flags being thrown in the air and Incontrol and the NASL staff have posted numerous times that they want the "community" to be involved. Well, here we are, trying to be involved in the best way we know how (by QQ and sperging out on forums)

Like I said, I'm going to be sending money their way anyway, I will probably watch and pray that the production value at least matches the reddit open or the TSL, but I want esports to boom and I'm not going to sit around being hopeful and blind to the obvious horrible decisions going on.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
March 27 2011 22:22 GMT
#1946

thats my point. everyones saying its Biased towards EG? for what reason....because iNcontrol is casting? doesn't make sense to me.


incontrol is involved in more than just casting.
KaveX
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany59 Posts
March 27 2011 22:23 GMT
#1947
On March 28 2011 07:19 Telcontar wrote:
I think their main gripe is that more skilled and accomplished players (specifically koreans) have been (or looks like) overlooked for guys like Grubby, vibe...etc

I'm pretty sure there is a huge difference between the most accomplished European WC3 pro-gamer and a player who's never been into the spotlight at all before the NASL. Seeing that the goal is to attract as many people as possible, inviting Grubby was just logical. It's a completely different story for nonames like ViBE though.
SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
March 27 2011 22:24 GMT
#1948
On March 28 2011 07:19 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 07:17 SMD wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:11 Zomodok wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:10 SMD wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:07 Zomodok wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:00 Xeris wrote:
We will explain everything on Tuesday


"Grubby was selected because he's on Team EG"



Does anyone know what team Xeris is actually from? lol
Because its NOT EG


Of course, but let me list the long list of accomplishments that Grubby has in Starcraft 2 that verifies his NASL spot;



I get he doesn't have accomplishements, but artosis doesn't eitehr and everyones thrilled at him being in. They are both in because the fans wanted them and this is a business. the bottom 16 have to requalify, if Grubby, or any other "Bad, undeserving" players are as "bad" as people are stating, they won't requalify.

I think their main gripe is that more skilled and accomplished players (specifically koreans) have been (or looks like) overlooked for guys like Grubby, vibe...etc



I understand this, but it is an NA league, they are OBVIOUSLY going to have more NA players than KR players, for at least the first season to give them a chance to requalify. This is not GSL v2.0.

If the KR players are so much better than all the NASL invites, they will surely take the 16 spots in season 2 that are qualifier based.

Before you call a player "bad" or "undeserving" watch the league? If they are so undeserving they will be in that bottom 16 and won't be back next year.

NASL also wants to create storylines, players you can relate to, big personalities.
They have already created underdog stories for players like ViBe, MoMan, stalife, Grubby, and others that have been shit on by people. Many of these players will surprise you.
Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
March 27 2011 22:25 GMT
#1949
On March 28 2011 07:23 KaveX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 07:19 Telcontar wrote:
I think their main gripe is that more skilled and accomplished players (specifically koreans) have been (or looks like) overlooked for guys like Grubby, vibe...etc

I'm pretty sure there is a huge difference between the most accomplished European WC3 pro-gamer and a player who's never been into the spotlight at all before the NASL. Seeing that the goal is to attract as many people as possible, inviting Grubby was just logical. It's a completely different story for nonames like ViBE though.


Just because you don't know much about someone doesn't mean they're a no name...
This is the tale of Captain Jack Sparrow!
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
March 27 2011 22:25 GMT
#1950
On March 28 2011 07:22 nvs. wrote:

Show nested quote +
thats my point. everyones saying its Biased towards EG? for what reason....because iNcontrol is casting? doesn't make sense to me.


incontrol is involved in more than just casting.


he's helping set up and everything, but Xeris just stated he's not involved in the selection process.
Rhokdar
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark240 Posts
March 27 2011 22:26 GMT
#1951
Look at TSL. They invited tons of people from Korea, but the only feedback they are getting is "lol lag not fair". It would seem stupid to invite a ton of korean if they cant even play.
Zomodok
Profile Joined September 2010
United States41 Posts
March 27 2011 22:26 GMT
#1952
On March 28 2011 07:24 SMD wrote:
Grubby, and others that have been shit on by people. Many of these players will surprise you.


Yeah I was surprised at watching a maxed out grubby afraid to attack move into a dead terrans base and extending the match out for fifty more minutes than needed.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 27 2011 22:27 GMT
#1953
On March 28 2011 07:22 Zomodok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 07:12 Radin wrote:
Newsflash for everyone complaining:

You don't have to watch if you don't like it. If you're so set on deciding how this thing should be run, go out and find some angel investors and start your own league. It shouldn't be hard for you, seeing as you're already an expert!


Listen right here;

I want ESPORTS in the west to grow, I will be supporting the NASL and I will be spending money on getting whatever paid services that they will be offering. Because quite frankly if this falls face first it's going to set things back and I do not want that.

However if you look at the way things are being ran and the demonstrations that they are constantly putting out and not question yourself or the production of the league then I really don't know what to tell you.

Let's just say that if I was an investor with money sunk into this project and saw the production value of the TSL3 and then the Clash of the Titans I'd probably want to withdraw my support or just distance myself from the decision.

People get up in arms about the voting process, saying they don't want the league to be a popularity contest and that they want good games to come from it, this leads the league to respond saying that the player selection process will be "On Results and a bunch of mystery voodoo stuff while the voting plays a small part"

Choices like Grubby/Axslav/Artosis/PainUser just make you scratch your head. Now, don't get all nerdy and sperg out on me and start getting upset that I'm insulting your favorite players. I know Grubby from his War3 days and Artosis is by far one of the best commentators in the sport, but what have either of the two done to get an invite?

Other than be on EG or friends with the tournament organizers.

"We are really proud of our website" was said on a state of the game, and when it was released the community hated it and now the websites "real" release will be out in April. Heres the announcement of the announcement with a show match to create excitement for the announcement turns into "The Clash was a stand-alone event that is not connected to the NASL"

The organizers backpedal faster than <insert extremist of your choice> being called on <subject of your choice>

It's troubling, there are huge red flags being thrown in the air and Incontrol and the NASL staff have posted numerous times that they want the "community" to be involved. Well, here we are, trying to be involved in the best way we know how (by QQ and sperging out on forums)

Like I said, I'm going to be sending money their way anyway, I will probably watch and pray that the production value at least matches the reddit open or the TSL, but I want esports to boom and I'm not going to sit around being hopeful and blind to the obvious horrible decisions going on.


I'm pretty sure I'm not friends with MoMaN, nor am I friends with any of the Koreans , nor am I friends with most of the players in the league. I can assure you that nobody was picked because they were "friends" of anyone who made the decisions.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
March 27 2011 22:28 GMT
#1954
On March 28 2011 06:54 EZSkull wrote:
Bad? Seriously, that word is overused by some of the people that post on here. There might be some names that make you kind of scratch your head, but I wouldn't call them bad. Even then, it's only what, a handful that some of you are bitching about, out of 50.



That and I think the Liquibets for a lot of the TSL games have shown that players perceived by fans to be "bad" or worse than another player isn't always the case
Nihn'kas Neehn
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
March 27 2011 22:28 GMT
#1955
Just a thought....everyone rants about "growing esports" but only targets the existing community (on TL and reddit)...wat?
KaveX
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany59 Posts
March 27 2011 22:29 GMT
#1956
On March 28 2011 07:25 Cathasaigh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 07:23 KaveX wrote:
On March 28 2011 07:19 Telcontar wrote:
I think their main gripe is that more skilled and accomplished players (specifically koreans) have been (or looks like) overlooked for guys like Grubby, vibe...etc

I'm pretty sure there is a huge difference between the most accomplished European WC3 pro-gamer and a player who's never been into the spotlight at all before the NASL. Seeing that the goal is to attract as many people as possible, inviting Grubby was just logical. It's a completely different story for nonames like ViBE though.


Just because you don't know much about someone doesn't mean they're a no name...

Are you implying ViBE has a following that would justify his invitation into NASL? I highly question this. I'm not denying people already heard of him, but what matters is the ability to excite people. Seeing Grubby play will excite approximately 2000 times as many people as seeing ViBE play. No, that's not an exaggeration, but an actual number.
SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
March 27 2011 22:30 GMT
#1957
Anyone who "has no idea who ViBE is" he's currently streaming.
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/ViBE
Zomodok
Profile Joined September 2010
United States41 Posts
March 27 2011 22:30 GMT
#1958
On March 28 2011 07:27 Xeris wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm not friends with MoMaN, nor am I friends with any of the Koreans , nor am I friends with most of the players in the league. I can assure you that nobody was picked because they were "friends" of anyone who made the decisions.


Seems that way, and I like how theres this huge post and you just isolate one part of it, I'm hoping that on Tuesday when ~+*All things get revealed*+~ that it's explained in a good enough way to warrant some of the choices.

Also I have no problem with MoMaN and was actually hoping he would get it due to his application video, so good job at that I guess.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
March 27 2011 22:31 GMT
#1959
On March 28 2011 06:36 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 06:31 papaz wrote:
Last 10 are gonna be koreans. Thats 20 percent of total players which is perfectly fine.

Oh man, that would be amazing. Lots of top tier Koreans, no one wants to see those "good" NA/EU players anyway. Koreans only, please!

LOVE YOU NASL



On March 28 2011 06:36 Bobster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 06:31 papaz wrote:
Last 10 are gonna be koreans. Thats 20 percent of total players which is perfectly fine.

That would be fucking terrible. No ret, no Minigun, no DeMuslim, no Morrow, no Thorzain?? These are waaaay too good to leave out for some Koreans you can watch every day in the GSL anyway.

FUCK YOU NASL!


You confuse me
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
March 27 2011 22:31 GMT
#1960
On March 28 2011 07:16 Alexj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 07:12 Radin wrote:
Newsflash for everyone complaining:

You don't have to watch if you don't like it. If you're so set on deciding how this thing should be run, go out and find some angel investors and start your own league. It shouldn't be hard for you, seeing as you're already an expert!
Newsflash: if NASL fails, other investors will stay miles away from esports



Newsflash: If NASL fails it will be because of whiny little spoiled kids like the ones in this thread who think they know more then about everyone else in the world because mama told then so.
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