EPTIs it really worth enforcing arbitrary deadlines so strictly for a decrease in the overall quality of the league? I don't get it.
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ChThoniC
United States536 Posts
Is it really worth enforcing arbitrary deadlines so strictly for a decrease in the overall quality of the league? I don't get it. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
ViBE deserves to be here, hands down I'll reserve judgment on that until I see who is left out. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1625 Posts
I get why Artosis is in, he is awesome and has the potential to play at the highest level, but come on, no offense to the guys, but I like to think I'm kinda up to date and know most of the pro players, but I really cant think of any tournament win by either Stalife or Vibe (1. R, 2. R, 3.R anyone?). Also, I know Moman has awesome application, but I have never herd of him before seeing that, so that pick is also really strange for me (considering there's only 15 spots left and so much great players still out of the league). Seeing the divisions, I think I'm really going to look forward to the division 5 games (witch is kinda stupidly stacked), and only tune to other division games if the games are really promising (I can only pray that divisions are not going to be played according to the days (meaning that division 5 is going to be played friday late night eu time). | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:20 nvs. wrote: I'll reserve judgment on that until I see who is left out. everyone is on the edge of their seat. Don't keep us waiting~ | ||
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VirGin
Norway278 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:22 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: everyone is on the edge of their seat. Don't keep us waiting~ Sarcasm fighting! | ||
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:17 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: Hey guys im willing to throw some info out on ViBE since people are wondering who he is, and a lot of haters are getting pretty pissed.. ViBE deserves to be here, hands down, and if you don't know him or you don't think hes capable then its no ones fault but your own for not being involved enough in the NA scene. ViBE's first big tournament experience was MLG Dallas finals last year, he faced TT1 very first round on the first day, and lost a close 1-2 series. He clawed his way through the loser bracket until about round 6~ where he lost another close series to QXC with the score of 1-2. He has had great success in clan wars if you follow any of our events, and recently got a top4 finish in the most recent TLOpen, taking out FXOMOoNan 2-1 in the ro16 and RoX.KIS.Brat_Ok 2-0 in the round of 8. He will be participating in MLG this year, so keep your eyes open~ Hope this helps, people should really stop freaking out about this.. For me atleast, having won games in clan wars and winning against 3-4 good players in significant tournament games since release wouldn't quite cut it. Ofc. he's a very good player, but top 50 in the world or even top 50 outside korea? I don't think he has proven that. | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
Honestly wondering here, can anyone point me to somewhere where I should remember him from? Also, I rate Grubby higher than Vibe/Moman/Stalife + he has a gigantuous fanbase so I have some more hope that he will get in now  !E: Drewbie in division 5 holy crap  ! Looking forward to that one. | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:22 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: everyone is on the edge of their seat. Don't keep us waiting~ Sorry, saying that "Vibe deserves to be here, hands down", is kind of asking for flak. If the NASL is going for the very best players in the world available for a an intense, competitive league, he does not deserve to be there, "hands down". This is only because there are a number of amazing players that are apparently being left out, not because vibe is not a good player. Vibe has had some pretty great games, but he is not on the same level as a player like dimaga. But the problem is not just vibe. It's all of the decent but not amazing NA players that are being put in while a number of amazing global players are not. With only 15 spots left, it is clear there are going to be a number of players not being included that are far better at starcraft 2 than some of the people being included. Given that, you have to ask why. Clearly the people managing the NASL have zero interest in creating a competitive environment. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Vibe is good, NrG has a solid lineup, but if Vibe is in, dde is in 100%, and mihai is arguably better than Vibe as well. 3 players from NrG? I mean....This is pretty crazy....they're going to leave out some pretty serious players... | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:32 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: And just a heads up for all those people whining about not enough koreans, and koreans should be in cuz they are the best, MYMClouD beat oGsMC 2-0 last night in FXO invitational. And you should tune into TSL right now, adelscott DESTROYING imMVP. Adel and ClouD are possibly in the top 50 even if you count the Koreans that applied, I honestly don't think that Vibe/Stalife/MomaN are on that level. Also, MVP was highly affected by the lag, you could clearly see that. So even though Adel played well, you don't know if he would've if the conditions were different. | ||
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manicshock
Canada741 Posts
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eNbee
Belgium487 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:36 Fyzar wrote: Adel and ClouD are possibly in the top 50 even if you count the Koreans that applied, I honestly don't think that Vibe/Stalife/MomaN are on that level. Also, MVP was highly affected by the lag, you could clearly see that. So even though Adel played well, you don't know if he would've if the conditions were different. They're playing on the NA server though, latency is roughly equal there for both Koreans and Europeans (100-150) | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:36 Fyzar wrote: Adel and ClouD are possibly in the top 50 even if you count the Koreans that applied, I honestly don't think that Vibe/Stalife/MomaN are on that level. Also, MVP was highly affected by the lag, you could clearly see that. So even though Adel played well, you don't know if he would've if the conditions were different. You don't need to make excuses for the Koreans. It's possible for Koreans to lose to foreigners; in fact it happens quite often... @_@ | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
Obviously a big chuck of their potential audience is familiar with the GSL and already has favorites in the Korean scene. They are only doing a disservice to the community if they treat us like children and exclude top Korean players out of a fear they will dominate the tournament. The GSL has gone out of their way to accommodate foreigners, I don't know why the premiere league in North America won't return the favor T_T ! | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
And just a heads up for all those people whining about not enough koreans, and koreans should be in cuz they are the best, MYMClouD beat oGsMC 2-0 last night in FXO invitational. And you should tune into TSL right now, adelscott DESTROYING imMVP. How are these two things even related? Seems like a massive stretch of logic to suggest that since MVP lost we shouldn't want Koreans in NASL. | ||
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Hollywise
France112 Posts
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On March 27 2011 03:38 Xeris wrote: You don't need to make excuses for the Koreans. It's possible for Koreans to lose to foreigners; in fact it happens quite often... @_@ I'm not making excuses, just saying that you shouldn't really use that game as an example. I agree with you that Koreans can lose to foreigners, so why can't we invite July instead of Vibe? Even if we leave out the Korean-Foreigner debate, someone like Dimaga or Grubby? It's just that with 15 spots left, there are people going to be left out that deserve to be there more than Vibe/Stalife/MomaN. Don't get me wrong here, they're obviously all better than me, but you saying that they deserve to be there hands down is just not true. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
As soon as those picks were announced it was obvious that the NASL has chosen to hold back on the Korean invites in order to stack the tournament in favor of NA and EU players. It's embarrassing how obvious they are going about it. | ||
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