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Please use this thread for discussion related to the Game 1 disconnect.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
March 19 2011 22:26 GMT
#5741
Great casts today. Enjoyed every bit of it!
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
March 19 2011 22:27 GMT
#5742
Great first day

Infact i think BoxeR DCing (or whoever it was who dced) was a good thing to happen as it shows people who are bashing the "omg replays fuck this" that it has many advantages not just getting rid of cheaters.

Had this been live and Boxer DC'ed it would have been a massive disaster because then the games might have been postponed or the wrong decision might have been made.

Instead you got a pretty meaty topic about it, with plenty of evidence and arguments for doing it and the tournament resumed shortly.
★ Top Gun ★
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 22:28:14
March 19 2011 22:27 GMT
#5743
I've already asked in the opening day preview thread, but I guess here's a better chance this gets answered:

Does anyone have the counterpart to this picture?

[image loading]


The one with Thorzain, Fenix, Nightend and Strelok


Would love to make a TSL3 wallpaper collection with all the players. :D
TicketoHELL
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada368 Posts
March 19 2011 22:27 GMT
#5744
On March 20 2011 07:23 Zozo wrote:
It would be just cruel to have these casted live, the cheating part aside, think about it:

FD gets up at 3am, warms up, starts playing at 4am
TZ plays during prime time, has to drop off any other tournaments happening in the weekend.
Artosis would never cast

Vulnerability to delays and early disconnects, eventually running out of time and stressing the players of the following matches. Casters also get tired.

Artosis has to get up at 3am regardless because its casted live whether the game is replay or not
(づ.ㅡ) 부비적 (ㅡ.ど) 부비적 (づ.ど) 부비부비
Akamiri
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Vietnam401 Posts
March 19 2011 22:28 GMT
#5745
On March 20 2011 07:26 Drteeth wrote:
Do you think if FD had won he would have mentioned the lag?


Yes. "despite the lag, i won"
Boxer won and his gf mentioned it.
***SamsungKHAN***TBLS*** :x:x ***NaDa*** BoxeR *** FruitDealer *** MarineKing ***:x Hwaiting~~!!! P.S: I'M A GIRL
FrostShadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States335 Posts
March 19 2011 22:28 GMT
#5746
On March 20 2011 07:27 Bobster wrote:
I've already asked in the opening day preview thread, but I guess here's a better chance this gets answered:

Does anyone have the counterpart to this picture?

[image loading]


The one with Thorzain, Fenix, Nightend and Strelok


Would love to make a TSL3 wallpaper collection with all the players. :D


I too would love to have a collection of all the players!
Drteeth
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Great Britain415 Posts
March 19 2011 22:29 GMT
#5747
On March 20 2011 07:26 KhAlleB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 07:23 Drteeth wrote:
On March 20 2011 07:08 Titorelli wrote:
Speaking of latency. Aren't the games played on the NA server? So it's a huge advantage for the NA players like Tyler, is it not?


Seeds get the latency. This was told on State of the Game Podcast. My guess was the FD was seeded above Thorzain and still played badly and lost.

He also said the lat is alterned between each game, so game 1 the highest seed got the lat, game 2 the other and game 3 go back the the highest seed




So for 2/3 of his games he had home turf and still lost? He played badly and Thorzain out played him, just because a korean loses to a relatively unknown foreigner the main talking point is lag for the Korean players.

GIVE THE WINNER SOME CREDIT GUYS!!!
Nice cheese ....GG!
Shooks
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia256 Posts
March 19 2011 22:30 GMT
#5748
On March 20 2011 07:24 decaf wrote:
FD had noticeable lag, no need to talk about that.
But he also didn't play well at all. His macro was.. garbage to say the least. I can macro better than that. I dunno what' sup with him, isn't he playing anymore?


Lol trust me when I say, latency effects your gameplay as a whole, completely makes you play like trash all game, and makes you want to end the game asap due to the lag. And if the rumors are true about the lag being much worse due to the quakes, it would have been much much worse
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-19 22:31:40
March 19 2011 22:30 GMT
#5749
Self-nuked
@pullarius1
teekesselchen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany886 Posts
March 19 2011 22:30 GMT
#5750
On March 20 2011 07:12 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 06:58 teekesselchen wrote:
I am pretty disappointed that it's all replay casts. I do understand the major issue of potential cheating, but think that the top 32 playing in such a tournament should be trusted to a bigger amount, even though I acknowledge that TL has made a bad experience regarding this.

I know that there are many people who think otherwise, but also a lot of people sharing my point of view: Replaycasts are plain boring. Seeing something that happened some random time in the past is something totally different than seeing it live and emphazising with the players, which is totally impossible when seeing it in the knowledge of "it's just a replay.". For a good, tense game, I want to feel with my stars and not just think "I wonder how he feels right now about the game he played yesterday", come on...
I don't understand this. Granted, I might have a different perspective, since I know a bit about the logistical nightmares behind everything. That aside though, I cannot imagine anyone watching the stream and constantly thinking about the fact that it's a replay. Once it's started and the casters have really gotten into it it makes no difference to me.

It has also been discussed to death internally and live is not an option, period

Edit: I can understand people who don't want to watch matches of which they already know the result (and I know people who usually don't watch VODs for that reason, either live or not at all), but this is different imho. No one except the players and a few people in the administration knows the result, so it's very much a live experience, everyone still sees it at the same time (so it's not like watching a recorded soccer match or whatever). Just look at IRC during the cast for example...


Hoping for a player to make the right decision is a very different thought than hoping for a player to have made the right decision in the past. Rooting for one and emphasizing with him is almost impossible by the knowledge that the game is already over. Even though it's just an illusion, it gives a way different feeling of beeing connected to an event that is beeing played right now than one that's already written in stone.

I'm pretty surprised how much TL seems to be all fine with it beeing just a replaycast. On German Readmore.de the discussions so far whenever the topic came up previously were clearly sided for "Replay broadcasts are inferior" (not unanimously yet clearly).

Oh and don't mistake this for me demanding you to cast live. I know of the difficulties and abnormous work of coordination such an event can require, especially when it's about three timezones and delivering a smooth timetable. I do understand that you ultimately value the advantages of delivering a replay cast higher.
All I want to say is that this does not come without a price imo and that this is why live events have an edge in spirit.
When they were introduced, he made a witticism, hoping to be liked. She laughed extremely hard, hoping to be liked. Then each drove home alone, staring straight ahead, with the very same twist to their faces.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 19 2011 22:31 GMT
#5751
On March 20 2011 07:29 Drteeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 07:26 KhAlleB wrote:
On March 20 2011 07:23 Drteeth wrote:
On March 20 2011 07:08 Titorelli wrote:
Speaking of latency. Aren't the games played on the NA server? So it's a huge advantage for the NA players like Tyler, is it not?


Seeds get the latency. This was told on State of the Game Podcast. My guess was the FD was seeded above Thorzain and still played badly and lost.

He also said the lat is alterned between each game, so game 1 the highest seed got the lat, game 2 the other and game 3 go back the the highest seed




So for 2/3 of his games he had home turf and still lost? He played badly and Thorzain out played him, just because a korean loses to a relatively unknown foreigner the main talking point is lag for the Korean players.

GIVE THE WINNER SOME CREDIT GUYS!!!


1/2, there was no 3rd game.

Anyways, disregarding lag, TZ played nicely, FD played the worst SC2 I've ever seen him play, no doubts about that. And I've seen him play GSLs, gisado's all star tourneys, and a lot more. He was really awful today.

And yes.. I'm SO SAD
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
March 19 2011 22:31 GMT
#5752
I don't think they used replays just because of cheating, but also because it gives them a chance to increase the quality of the production value and coordinate things for the viewer a lot easier. The time of viewing is the obvious bonus. I think because it wasn't live, organizers and judges could operate with cooler heads instead of worrying about rushing everything in order to appease the live viewer as fast as possible. The resolution of the disconnect issue may not have gone as smoothly had the panel and organizers felt under the gun. Errors may have been made that could otherwise been avoided by simply using replays.

Not being able to "feel the players" is a small price to pay for the resulting bump in quality IMO.
Coldviolet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States110 Posts
March 19 2011 22:31 GMT
#5753
Boxer's girlfriend just posted something interesting on her Twitter. (http://twitter.com/#!/GabrielaBoxeR) It seems like many cables that connect between Korea-US are lost due to the recent Earthquake. And after getting disconnected from the server BoxeR had a mad latency, his units responding 2 secs later he gave command. I think it also explains why Boxer didn't micro his marauders to kite probes and zealots in Game#2.
Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned.
Dolky
Profile Joined August 2004
Finland67 Posts
March 19 2011 22:32 GMT
#5754
Man im so disappointed i couldnt see the games because of some RL happenings, surprised to see Thorzain win though. Huge grats for him.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
March 19 2011 22:33 GMT
#5755
On March 20 2011 07:29 Drteeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 07:26 KhAlleB wrote:
On March 20 2011 07:23 Drteeth wrote:
On March 20 2011 07:08 Titorelli wrote:
Speaking of latency. Aren't the games played on the NA server? So it's a huge advantage for the NA players like Tyler, is it not?


Seeds get the latency. This was told on State of the Game Podcast. My guess was the FD was seeded above Thorzain and still played badly and lost.

He also said the lat is alterned between each game, so game 1 the highest seed got the lat, game 2 the other and game 3 go back the the highest seed




So for 2/3 of his games he had home turf and still lost? He played badly and Thorzain out played him, just because a korean loses to a relatively unknown foreigner the main talking point is lag for the Korean players.

GIVE THE WINNER SOME CREDIT GUYS!!!

I never said something bad about thorzain, im realy happy that an foreigner get to down FD due to FD'S statu in the communauty. I just want to make more clear for ppl saying he lost just because of lagg
Liquid'Nony: "I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok."
Pecul
Profile Joined September 2008
Sweden116 Posts
March 19 2011 22:34 GMT
#5756
Awesome! boxer advanced :D and here i though boxers time was over

Quite entertaining games overall
theBullFrog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States515 Posts
March 19 2011 22:36 GMT
#5757
There goes my brackets
thebullfrog
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
March 19 2011 22:37 GMT
#5758
Can't wait for the vods! 3am is just too early for me to be up in AUS
Zozo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil2579 Posts
March 19 2011 22:39 GMT
#5759
On March 20 2011 07:27 TicketoHELL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2011 07:23 Zozo wrote:
It would be just cruel to have these casted live, the cheating part aside, think about it:

FD gets up at 3am, warms up, starts playing at 4am
TZ plays during prime time, has to drop off any other tournaments happening in the weekend.
Artosis would never cast

Vulnerability to delays and early disconnects, eventually running out of time and stressing the players of the following matches. Casters also get tired.

Artosis has to get up at 3am regardless because its casted live whether the game is replay or not


Yes... but he knows when it ends. A live cast could easily add another 3 or 4 hours of streaming.
EGM guides me
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
March 19 2011 22:40 GMT
#5760
Sad there was so much boxer hating posts. Wanting him to lose and saying he was over hyped and bad. Silence haters. He just beat his opponents with lag. Show respect to most venerated bonjwa of all of Starcraft.
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
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