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On February 23 2011 23:05 kusto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 22:59 Bobble wrote:
Agreed. It is hard to sift through the posts to find out what is happening in the games, especially the Coca V Ace games. Everyone was so busy talking about Haypro (and who can blame you) that we missed most of the first game between Coca and Ace. I had no idea a game was even going on then. 1st game: CoCa did basically a good job in looking for conffrontation with the protoss army, also OL-dropping roaches here and there a few times. After a few trade offs, the colossi count was diminished, and 4th protoss base denied, Coca overwhelmed with his upgraded roach/hydra army. 2nd game: early expo from protoss, very good reaction from zerg into hydra aggression into third base and corruptors. Then always denying protoss' third base and also killing off the collossi from time to time. Not cost-efficient trade-offs of armies but nevertheless nicely remaxing of units afterwards. A very good example on how ZvP should be played imo, today's best games i think.
Thank you for that.
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On February 23 2011 23:14 cArn- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 21:55 Markwerf wrote:
Haypro is better off going home I think. He doesn't seem to be good enough for korea and for the subtop there is much more money outside korea anyways. He is easily good enough to make it to the up & down matches for Code S, he's just really unlucky and even if he played very well his series, this GanZi guy is SICK good, absolutely no shame losing to him, cause he's gonna win Code A tournament. You read it here first.
Why does him losing to Ganzi mean he's unlucky? Sure Ganzi's really good. There are some other really good people in code a as well. Haypro did play better yesterday but he's consistently lost when put on the big stage.
It's one thing in qualifiers if you end up playing 3 people like MVP/MC/Nestea... it's another thing if the person you face in a tournament happens to be good. Shame it happened in the first round, but he did get 2-0'd, on favorable maps. That's not unlucky that's just not getting it done. It's not like there was a situation where he just happened to fly stacked mutas through passing marines or anything.
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On February 23 2011 21:55 Markwerf wrote:
Haypro is better off going home I think. He doesn't seem to be good enough for korea and for the subtop there is much more money outside korea anyways.
You dont need to win everything to be valuable to the team. Hes an invaluable practice partner, Jinro and Ret prolly wouldnt have been able to have so much success without him.
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On February 24 2011 00:22 Shindou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 23:14 cArn- wrote:On February 23 2011 21:55 Markwerf wrote:
Haypro is better off going home I think. He doesn't seem to be good enough for korea and for the subtop there is much more money outside korea anyways. He is easily good enough to make it to the up & down matches for Code S, he's just really unlucky and even if he played very well his series, this GanZi guy is SICK good, absolutely no shame losing to him, cause he's gonna win Code A tournament. You read it here first. Why does him losing to Ganzi mean he's unlucky? Sure Ganzi's really good. There are some other really good people in code a as well. Haypro did play better yesterday but he's consistently lost when put on the big stage. It's one thing in qualifiers if you end up playing 3 people like MVP/MC/Nestea... it's another thing if the person you face in a tournament happens to be good. Shame it happened in the first round, but he did get 2-0'd, on favorable maps. That's not unlucky that's just not getting it done. It's not like there was a situation where he just happened to fly stacked mutas through passing marines or anything.
It means he's unlucky because he drew a tough opponent, while there are probably many other players he could have beaten... Flying mutas over marines would be the opposite of unlucky. That would be his fault. Also, he's only been on the big stage two times (Bo3 series) if I recall correctly. I wouldn't call two losses in a row consistently losing.
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personally I've always found haypro's playstyle boring. But ganzi definitely outclassed him. I expect haypro to quit trying gsl and head for nasl.
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ganzi was sick good, unlucky haypro.
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I feel bad for HayprO but people can't really say lucky or not. I mean, yeah he could have probably rolled Virus, but sooner or later you're going to have to demonstrate an ability to beat higher level players because eventually, luck runs out (i.e. the case of Moon who I doubt will ever be back into Code A).
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man, i feel sad for haypro.. he always looks so depressed and now he went down 0-2 
i think the first game showed that he just isn't experienced enough.
not to take anything away from ganzi but there were very many opportunities where haypro could've taken out some extra tanks/marines/medivacs with his mutas because ganzi wasn't paying attention.
also i think the 9 o'clock expo behind the rocks would have been the safest 3rd (assuming acceptable overlord-placement and map-control with mutas.
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Ganzi is such a beast. If he was Code S I'd have him tipped as very likely to go through the initial groupstage.
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That sucks :/
Haypro played pretty well but that Ganzi dude was really all over the place. HuK told us Haypro was going to hard a hard time against Ganzi but I didn't expect him to be so good.
Anyway I think Haypro showed he has the skill to compete in code A and I hope he will be able to qualify next time.
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Just finished the haypro games and I gotta say it was a good effort from haypro, but that second map really punished 1 control group syndrome zerg. 1 medivac to kill a hatch, then haypro moves all his mutas lings banes to kill it, then another single medivac somewhere else on the map, and even with the relatively fast mutas, lings and banes it still doesn't get there in time.
I love the new maps though, awesome games pretty much without exception since their introduction.
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lolol tasteless said moon used raiders xD that is pretty funny
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Sorry for Moon & Hayder.... more Zerg fall
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Poor Haypro. Sucks he got eliminated so fast. Ganzi played pretty well though.
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Haypro made a lot of mistakes in the first game his muta control was just very sub-par compared to other top zergs. 1 Example was he had i believe 14 mutas when attacking Ganzi's nat. and there was 1!!!! Turret he got shot once and ran away like go kill the freaking turret i was screaming at him lol like you can't lose 1 muta to 1 turret with that big of a flock.... he could have done some great damage; and running blings into tanks makes you lose also 
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On February 23 2011 21:39 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 19:59 Talin wrote:On February 23 2011 19:57 KiNGxXx wrote:On February 23 2011 19:56 Talin wrote:On February 23 2011 19:55 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
glad ganzi did it, already saw the lesser player advance yesterday, dont need that shit anymore~ Which lesser player advanced yesterday? July who's not better then Mvp July is a "lesser player" than mvp? Kill me now. Not sure if serious lol. July is only more accomplished in bw. Even towards the end of his bw days he wasn't in tip top shape. Mvp would have been considered more skilled than July at the end of their bw career. In sc2...well, it's not really even close.
this.
sometimes i feel like half the people who reference bw weren't even watching bw or go off of tastosis' fabricated hype.
honestly i'm upset he won only because i absolutely loathe watching him zvz in sc2. if he shows good games i don't mind that he beat mvp - i'm just not holding my breath.
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omg, I friggin love John's interviews.
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On February 24 2011 00:22 Shindou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 23:14 cArn- wrote:On February 23 2011 21:55 Markwerf wrote:
Haypro is better off going home I think. He doesn't seem to be good enough for korea and for the subtop there is much more money outside korea anyways. He is easily good enough to make it to the up & down matches for Code S, he's just really unlucky and even if he played very well his series, this GanZi guy is SICK good, absolutely no shame losing to him, cause he's gonna win Code A tournament. You read it here first. Why does him losing to Ganzi mean he's unlucky? Sure Ganzi's really good. There are some other really good people in code a as well. Haypro did play better yesterday but he's consistently lost when put on the big stage. It's one thing in qualifiers if you end up playing 3 people like MVP/MC/Nestea... it's another thing if the person you face in a tournament happens to be good. Shame it happened in the first round, but he did get 2-0'd, on favorable maps. That's not unlucky that's just not getting it done. It's not like there was a situation where he just happened to fly stacked mutas through passing marines or anything.
it's cause whenever a foreigner loses, it's never because the other player played better
it's always "he got a bad draw" or "he can play so much better than that"
it's just the mentality that we can't stand a foreigner losing and most people try to come up with an excuse other than he outright lost
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I don't know what games you guys were watching, but haypro played amazingly well. it's unfortunate that playing well wasn't enough today, but that certainly doesn't mean he deserves to be criticized for it. A few months ago everyone was calling jinro a scrub that should leave korea because he didn't qualify two or three times in a row. Now everyone's got their nose up his bum (not that that's a bad thing). We should all know by now that not having immediate success in the GSL (especially when up against very good players) does not mean the player is incapable. Haypro's games were a hell of a lot better than previous code A zerg games, and even many code S games.
I'll admit I wasn't 100% sold on Haypro in the past because I hadn't seen much of him, but that was some damn solid play last night.
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Besides that, GanZi played like a fucking boss. Sure Haypro could've beaten weaker players, but he was bound to run into someone strong eventually and lose in the same fashion.
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