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On February 01 2011 19:31 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 11:35 Shinta) wrote:
I don't watch the streams expecting to find mad skills and hope for lame analysis's, I watch it to find professionalism in eSports. When I see Tastosis cast, all I see is 2 foreigners trying to cast a pro Korean match. They do a good job casting it, but it's still a much lower level than the Korean casters, just because they lack proper etiquette and casting professionalism.
It's fine that you don't like their casting style, but please stop pretending such a thing as "proper etiquette and casting professionalism" exists as whole in the business. It may be possible to claim such a thing exists in Korean casting scene, but looking at sportcasting as whole, it does not. Casters are first and foremost entertainers; their professionalism amounts to keeping the viewers/listeners entertained and thus increasing viewership and profits. If the target audience dislikes their style, they should change, otherwise there's no obligation. I'd pick Tastosis over the generally boring korean casters anytime.
Generally boring? :p I like Tastosis, but the Korean commentators make the game ridiculously exciting with their levels of enthusiasm.
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On February 01 2011 19:45 Kantutan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 19:31 syllogism wrote:On February 01 2011 11:35 Shinta) wrote:
I don't watch the streams expecting to find mad skills and hope for lame analysis's, I watch it to find professionalism in eSports. When I see Tastosis cast, all I see is 2 foreigners trying to cast a pro Korean match. They do a good job casting it, but it's still a much lower level than the Korean casters, just because they lack proper etiquette and casting professionalism.
It's fine that you don't like their casting style, but please stop pretending such a thing as "proper etiquette and casting professionalism" exists as whole in the business. It may be possible to claim such a thing exists in Korean casting scene, but looking at sportcasting as whole, it does not. Casters are first and foremost entertainers; their professionalism amounts to keeping the viewers/listeners entertained and thus increasing viewership and profits. If the target audience dislikes their style, they should change, otherwise there's no obligation. I'd pick Tastosis over the generally boring korean casters anytime. Generally boring? :p I like Tastosis, but the Korean commentators make the game ridiculously exciting with their levels of enthusiasm.
Sure, but it's just that I find fake enthusiasm over every little thing more annoying than exciting
Also, still can't find any news about the wildcard tournament on the korean gomtv site or playxp
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doenst PUZLLE try ? i mean he have SUCH good results in this team wars even beat MVP and i never see him GSL etc
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On February 01 2011 20:00 CoR wrote:
doenst PUZLLE try ? i mean he have SUCH good results in this team wars even beat MVP and i never see him GSL etc
He tried to qualify for Code A but got knocked out by Losira. ST_Bomber also got knocked out by someone despite his nice results in the team wars.
Apparently, it was one of the most competitive qualifications that GOM has yet held, so it is no surprise that not all of the top players were able to make it very far into the qualifications.
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On February 01 2011 19:38 ChThoniC wrote:
so when do we find out who gets the last code s spot?
The wildcard rounds should be over by now, no?
So... anybody know how it went?
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Haha Moon 2-0'd Rain xD
Congrats to Polt, he seems a nice guy so that's cool 
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Wow it's a good thing I didn't do liquibets on those. I would have been 0/4 in the round of 8. So weird.
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On February 01 2011 19:03 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 12:09 Shorack wrote:On February 01 2011 11:35 Shinta) wrote:On February 01 2011 10:58 Swede wrote:Artosis knows he's not good enough for Code S and that if he made Code A, which is slightly possible in the future, he'd be at the very bottom, BUT you know he really wishes he could be a better player... Some of his bitterness comes with some jealousy that some players that are better than him or around the same skill lose horrible games and thus shouldn't even be there over him. It's understandable but a lot of the things he says are either not true or get outdated by the time he mentions them again, so from what I see, about 90% of his flaming/bad jabbering is completely worthless and embarrassing to a point.
For example, he does nothing but bash on Choya all day everyday, yet half of the matches he PROMISES Choya is going to get raped in, Choya win but Artosis keeps flaming him for sucking. The thing is, Artosis gives just as much praise to great players when they show that they deserve it. Have you heard him talk about Clide? Nestea? Jinro? IdrA? Tester? etc etc. Most of the time I think he is basically bang on with any criticisms/praise that he has, and I'm thankful for his honesty. Anyway, think of it from his perspective: to the foreigner community, he is essentially the face of the GSL (Tasteless too) - a tournament which is supposed to represent the very best players in the world and thus host some of the most awe-inspiring games. With that in mind, wouldn't you feel embarrassed, a little angry[i] even, to cast games like LittleBoy vs ButterflyEffect? Especially given the fact that he has 12 years of playing and understanding this game behind him, and yet he is forced to see new players come here and make extremely basic mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, the only 2 players he has ever actually 'flamed' are BitByBit and Choya, both of whom deserved it in my opinion. BitByBit for being the epitome of what SC2 SHOULDN'T be, and Choya for fluking his way into Code S off poorly executed 4 gates and other low-skill high-reward builds. Bitter and jealous are just blatant exaggerations. Sounds like you've just convinced yourself that he's worse than he is. Yes, I have heard him give so much praise to so many players "xxxx is SOOOO GOOOOOOOD" and then that player gets completely rolled in the games to come.... I'm not saying that he should only stop his bashing, I'm saying he should stop making such opinionated comments that he has no idea about. Anyone can say "IMNesTea is SUCH a good player" and get away with it, but ... But the emotion is part of being an entertainer. Praising and grinding allows for emotions, livelihood. I can imagine that people who really watch for the skills displayed and are only interested in an analysis of a level as high as possible, Tastosis can be at times a bit irritating. But they're the best team for the widest audience possible. (btw, of the well-known casters, Tastosis is imho the only one who's actually able to see what it means for what will be coming. In most cases he seems to be a really good magic orb reader :p) But Tastosis is wrong so often its ridiculous... That's not unheard of though since they predict so often they are bound to get so many of their predictions wrong.. I don't watch the streams expecting to find mad skills and hope for lame analysis's, I watch it to find professionalism in eSports. When I see Tastosis cast, all I see is 2 foreigners trying to cast a pro Korean match. They do a good job casting it, but it's still a much lower level than the Korean casters, just because they lack proper etiquette and casting professionalism. Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 18:42 Hemula wrote:
So no foreigners have qualified by themselfs? No foreigner will qualify by themselves.... Do you know how expensive it is just for the foreigners to be there? Imagine if they had to spend the massive amount of time to play Code B, qualify up to Code A, and then have their chance at Code S? Nobody will ever do it unless they want to live in Korea for a year. [/i]
The only requirements for foreigners to participate in the Code A qualifiers is to register and to show up at the qualifiers. The extra requirements for being allowed into code A qualifiers are only for Koreans.
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Is there a full list of qualified players anywhere? Surely there are to few people in the op.
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On February 02 2011 00:40 Shorack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2011 19:03 Shinta) wrote:On February 01 2011 12:09 Shorack wrote:On February 01 2011 11:35 Shinta) wrote:On February 01 2011 10:58 Swede wrote:Artosis knows he's not good enough for Code S and that if he made Code A, which is slightly possible in the future, he'd be at the very bottom, BUT you know he really wishes he could be a better player... Some of his bitterness comes with some jealousy that some players that are better than him or around the same skill lose horrible games and thus shouldn't even be there over him. It's understandable but a lot of the things he says are either not true or get outdated by the time he mentions them again, so from what I see, about 90% of his flaming/bad jabbering is completely worthless and embarrassing to a point.
For example, he does nothing but bash on Choya all day everyday, yet half of the matches he PROMISES Choya is going to get raped in, Choya win but Artosis keeps flaming him for sucking. The thing is, Artosis gives just as much praise to great players when they show that they deserve it. Have you heard him talk about Clide? Nestea? Jinro? IdrA? Tester? etc etc. Most of the time I think he is basically bang on with any criticisms/praise that he has, and I'm thankful for his honesty. Anyway, think of it from his perspective: to the foreigner community, he is essentially the face of the GSL (Tasteless too) - a tournament which is supposed to represent the very best players in the world and thus host some of the most awe-inspiring games. With that in mind, wouldn't you feel embarrassed, a little angry[i] even, to cast games like LittleBoy vs ButterflyEffect? Especially given the fact that he has 12 years of playing and understanding this game behind him, and yet he is forced to see new players come here and make extremely basic mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, the only 2 players he has ever actually 'flamed' are BitByBit and Choya, both of whom deserved it in my opinion. BitByBit for being the epitome of what SC2 SHOULDN'T be, and Choya for fluking his way into Code S off poorly executed 4 gates and other low-skill high-reward builds. Bitter and jealous are just blatant exaggerations. Sounds like you've just convinced yourself that he's worse than he is. Yes, I have heard him give so much praise to so many players "xxxx is SOOOO GOOOOOOOD" and then that player gets completely rolled in the games to come.... I'm not saying that he should only stop his bashing, I'm saying he should stop making such opinionated comments that he has no idea about. Anyone can say "IMNesTea is SUCH a good player" and get away with it, but ... But the emotion is part of being an entertainer. Praising and grinding allows for emotions, livelihood. I can imagine that people who really watch for the skills displayed and are only interested in an analysis of a level as high as possible, Tastosis can be at times a bit irritating. But they're the best team for the widest audience possible. (btw, of the well-known casters, Tastosis is imho the only one who's actually able to see what it means for what will be coming. In most cases he seems to be a really good magic orb reader :p) But Tastosis is wrong so often its ridiculous... That's not unheard of though since they predict so often they are bound to get so many of their predictions wrong.. I don't watch the streams expecting to find mad skills and hope for lame analysis's, I watch it to find professionalism in eSports. When I see Tastosis cast, all I see is 2 foreigners trying to cast a pro Korean match. They do a good job casting it, but it's still a much lower level than the Korean casters, just because they lack proper etiquette and casting professionalism. On February 01 2011 18:42 Hemula wrote:
So no foreigners have qualified by themselfs? No foreigner will qualify by themselves.... Do you know how expensive it is just for the foreigners to be there? Imagine if they had to spend the massive amount of time to play Code B, qualify up to Code A, and then have their chance at Code S? Nobody will ever do it unless they want to live in Korea for a year. The only requirements for foreigners to participate in the Code A qualifiers is to register and to show up at the qualifiers. The extra requirements for being allowed into code A qualifiers are only for Koreans. [/i]
No wrong, only 4 foriegners get given a pass into Code A all the other foreigners that just turn up go into the code B qualifiers for Code A. Which is as it was before with the open qualifiers but now they have to get trough Code A after that to get to Code S so yea he is right it is going to take a big time commitment/move to korea to get into Code S now. Before you could set aside a month or so and maybe get to play one Code S tournament if you were good enough to get in now its going to be a stay of 2 seasons win through.
To break it down
1st Season:
Turn up in korea a couple of weeks before quals to settle in.
Code B quals, win through rounds and final to qualify for Code A
Code A.
Win trough to R08 to qualify for up/down matches.
Win up/down matches to qualify for Code S
2nd Season
Play in Code S for first time as bottom rank seed.
Edited due to being dumb
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On February 02 2011 05:31 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 00:40 Shorack wrote:On February 01 2011 19:03 Shinta) wrote:On February 01 2011 12:09 Shorack wrote:On February 01 2011 11:35 Shinta) wrote:On February 01 2011 10:58 Swede wrote:Artosis knows he's not good enough for Code S and that if he made Code A, which is slightly possible in the future, he'd be at the very bottom, BUT you know he really wishes he could be a better player... Some of his bitterness comes with some jealousy that some players that are better than him or around the same skill lose horrible games and thus shouldn't even be there over him. It's understandable but a lot of the things he says are either not true or get outdated by the time he mentions them again, so from what I see, about 90% of his flaming/bad jabbering is completely worthless and embarrassing to a point.
For example, he does nothing but bash on Choya all day everyday, yet half of the matches he PROMISES Choya is going to get raped in, Choya win but Artosis keeps flaming him for sucking. The thing is, Artosis gives just as much praise to great players when they show that they deserve it. Have you heard him talk about Clide? Nestea? Jinro? IdrA? Tester? etc etc. Most of the time I think he is basically bang on with any criticisms/praise that he has, and I'm thankful for his honesty. Anyway, think of it from his perspective: to the foreigner community, he is essentially the face of the GSL (Tasteless too) - a tournament which is supposed to represent the very best players in the world and thus host some of the most awe-inspiring games. With that in mind, wouldn't you feel embarrassed, a little angry[i] even, to cast games like LittleBoy vs ButterflyEffect? Especially given the fact that he has 12 years of playing and understanding this game behind him, and yet he is forced to see new players come here and make extremely basic mistakes. As far as I'm concerned, the only 2 players he has ever actually 'flamed' are BitByBit and Choya, both of whom deserved it in my opinion. BitByBit for being the epitome of what SC2 SHOULDN'T be, and Choya for fluking his way into Code S off poorly executed 4 gates and other low-skill high-reward builds. Bitter and jealous are just blatant exaggerations. Sounds like you've just convinced yourself that he's worse than he is. Yes, I have heard him give so much praise to so many players "xxxx is SOOOO GOOOOOOOD" and then that player gets completely rolled in the games to come.... I'm not saying that he should only stop his bashing, I'm saying he should stop making such opinionated comments that he has no idea about. Anyone can say "IMNesTea is SUCH a good player" and get away with it, but ... But the emotion is part of being an entertainer. Praising and grinding allows for emotions, livelihood. I can imagine that people who really watch for the skills displayed and are only interested in an analysis of a level as high as possible, Tastosis can be at times a bit irritating. But they're the best team for the widest audience possible. (btw, of the well-known casters, Tastosis is imho the only one who's actually able to see what it means for what will be coming. In most cases he seems to be a really good magic orb reader :p) But Tastosis is wrong so often its ridiculous... That's not unheard of though since they predict so often they are bound to get so many of their predictions wrong.. I don't watch the streams expecting to find mad skills and hope for lame analysis's, I watch it to find professionalism in eSports. When I see Tastosis cast, all I see is 2 foreigners trying to cast a pro Korean match. They do a good job casting it, but it's still a much lower level than the Korean casters, just because they lack proper etiquette and casting professionalism. On February 01 2011 18:42 Hemula wrote:
So no foreigners have qualified by themselfs? No foreigner will qualify by themselves.... Do you know how expensive it is just for the foreigners to be there? Imagine if they had to spend the massive amount of time to play Code B, qualify up to Code A, and then have their chance at Code S? Nobody will ever do it unless they want to live in Korea for a year. The only requirements for foreigners to participate in the Code A qualifiers is to register and to show up at the qualifiers. The extra requirements for being allowed into code A qualifiers are only for Koreans. No wrong, only 4 foriegners get given a pass into Code A all the other foreigners that just turn up go into the code B qualifiers for Code A. Which is as it was before with the open qualifiers but now they have to get trough Code A after that to get to Code S so yea he is right it is going to take a big time commitment/move to korea to get into Code S now. Before you could set aside a month or so and maybe get to play one Code S tournament if you were good enough to get in now its going to be a stay of 3 seasons win through or 2 if you are lucky and get given a foreigner spot. To break it down 1st Season: Turn up in korea a couple of weeks before quals to settle in. Code B quals, win through rounds and final to qualify for Code A 2nd Season: Win trough to R08 to qualify for up/down matches. Win up/down matches to qualify for Code S 3rd Season Play in Code S for first time as bottom rank seed. [/i]
I'm quite sure that they said you can immediately participate with code A qualifiers if you're a foreigner. I have a feint idea of where i heard that, i'll try to look it up later.
So that would be: (fastest track possible)
First Season:
- Show up in Korea a bit before code A qualifiers.
- Qualify for code A
- Play well enough in code A to be in up-down matches
- Win your up-down matches to get into code S.
Second Season:
- Play in code S.
I'll edit this post if/when i find it.
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Can someone edit the OP to show the full list of qualifiers? Is there a complete list online somewhere that I can see?
Thanks.
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On February 02 2011 05:48 Shorack wrote:
I'm quite sure that they said you can immediately participate with code A qualifiers if you're a foreigner. I have a feint idea of where i heard that, i'll try to look it up later.
So that would be: (fastest track possible)
First Season:
- Show up in Korea a bit before code A qualifiers.
- Qualify for code A
- Play well enough in code A to be in up-down matches
- Win your up-down matches to get into code S.
Second Season:
- Play in code S.
I'll edit this post if/when i find it.
This thread was about watching foreigners participating in the Code B qualifiers this season and announcing the 4 who got a pass into code A. Ill try and find the GOMtv page that explains it.
Edit: cant find it, but trust me if what you said was true Artosis, and Torch would be competing in Code A but they arent because they got knocked out sadly.
The bit you wrote as "-Qualify for code A" - that is the Code B qualifers.
But you are right about doing it in two seasons i think i confused myself a bit there. :o I got confused because this lot of Code A qualifiers will have to wait a bit longer due to this season being the team league.
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On February 02 2011 05:52 IPA wrote:
Can someone edit the OP to show the full list of qualifiers? Is there a complete list online somewhere that I can see?
Thanks.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188962 These are the interviews + list of qualified players.
Oh and this
Terran (13)
(T)Loner
(T)aLive
(T)August
(T)ButterflyEffect
(T)CchapSeungEu
(T)Cute
(T)Polt
(T)Rain
(T)Maka
(T)GanZi
(T)SuperNova
(T)Destination
(T)Virus
Zerg (13)
(Z)HayprO
(Z)mOOnGLaDe
(Z)Ret
(Z)Junwi
(Z)YuGiOh
(Z)JookTo
(Z)Moon
(Z)Cezanne
(Z)Leenock
(Z)CoCa
(Z)Curious
(Z)LosirA
(Z)Posh
Protoss (6)
(P)HuK
(P)Squirtle
(P)SangHo
(P)LegalMind
(P)Alicia
(P)Ace
Note that (T)LiveForever is reporting for military duty from Code S and will be replaced by one of the Code A players who were bumped in the up&down matches.
This will leave an open slot in Code A and it will be filled by (Z)Yeah, so the final list will look slightly different.
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On February 02 2011 05:56 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2011 05:48 Shorack wrote:
I'm quite sure that they said you can immediately participate with code A qualifiers if you're a foreigner. I have a feint idea of where i heard that, i'll try to look it up later.
So that would be: (fastest track possible)
First Season:
- Show up in Korea a bit before code A qualifiers.
- Qualify for code A
- Play well enough in code A to be in up-down matches
- Win your up-down matches to get into code S.
Second Season:
- Play in code S.
I'll edit this post if/when i find it. This thread was about watching foreigners participating in the Code B qualifiers this season and announcing the 4 who got a pass into code A. Ill try and find the GOMtv page that explains it. Edit: cant find it, but trust me if what you said was true Artosis, and Torch would be competing in Code A but they arent because they got knocked out sadly. The bit you wrote as "-Qualify for code A" - that is the Code B qualifers. But you are right about doing it in two seasons i think i confused myself a bit there. :o I got confused because this lot of Code A qualifiers will have to wait a bit longer due to this season being the team league.
Ah okay, i thought you meant with code B something that came even before the qualifiers.
Sorry, got lost in semantics.
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